If it flies, look for a huge spike in stds
Huge spikes in STD’s is already happening due to other factors
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/sti-increase-syphilis-cases-spike-74-in-four-years
Wear a rubber kids. No one likes a raunchy coochie/schlong
Honestly, I think condoms are unrealistic. Fucking with a condom is so totally useless that you almost feel a bit resentful of the woman after. Like she has bad minge or something. The first time I had sex I was a good boy and used a condom and I just quit after a while, and sat down and wondered what the fuck was wrong. She thought I’d finished.
Saying “wear a rubber” is stupid. For a lot of people, sex with a condom is completely useless. I’ll wear one the first time with a woman as I ofc want to get imtimate, but the sex itself will be useless.
If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼♀️
But lame ass roasting aside, being responsible during sex is important. Being able to communicate your wants and needs is absolutely necessary. I’ll tell you that I also hated condoms during sex, but it took being with my partner about six months before I felt comfortable enough to bring up a discussion about having sex without condoms. We then talked about the risks of accidental pregnancy, STDs, and my hormones and birth control. In the long term, the time period we used condoms was worth it because we learned each other’s bodies, as well as each other’s personalities. Once we did move to sex without condoms, it was sooooo much better, but we also were better communicators and the sex was wayyy more fun.
You have to be willing to put in the time and effort and trust that leads to a real connection first.
If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼♀️
But lame ass roasting aside
Not gonna pretend that I don’t deserve it, or that I’m very polite either, but beginning every response with an insult is not some clever ‘roasting’.
I don’t agree with you that it should take half a year of learning your partner for sex to be good. If you’re attentive and interested in getting your partner off, then you can do that the first time, or certainly atleast in a shorter time than that. But it’s going to differ between different people ofc.
No one likes a raunchy coochie/schlong
Untrue. There are some people that specifically seek that, along with the STDs called “bug chasers.” Since I’ve been cursed with this knowledge, so must you all be.
Oh whyyyyy why have you done this to me…
There were bug chasers during the pandemic, too. >_>
Has anyone heard about the andro-switch ring before? It is supposed to work without taking any pills and be free of side effects (except for carrying a silicone ring around the testicles). https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/986261
Looks like you have to wear it for at least 15 hours a day for several months before it’s effective…
Yes I’m using it. It works as expected
Honestly, as a dude, I’m 100% down for male birth control. Can’t wait.
Hopefully it less hormonal side affects than the female pill. But yeah having an extra level of protection will be nice.
“Extra Level”? It’s more about taking the burden off the women for me. Why do they, and only they, always have to mess up their bodies?
Obviously it depends on the relationship and how risk averse you both are. But yeah why not both? Seems like a pretty good way to be really sure!
The hippocratic oath, in this case. Medicine is all about risk management, the worse the “disease,” the more tolerant we are of side effects for the cure. Pregnancy and birth are still pretty traumatic events that, while much safer than they used to be, are still dangerous. Female BC just has to be less risky than that. Male BC on the other hand, has to be as low the risk for a man impregnating a woman, which is to say, almost zero. Pretty much any negative side effect is worse than that, so it’s very difficult to pass. I would gladly take one with comparable side effects to female BC, but sometimes unflinching ethics are inconvenient. Better than the alternative, but still.
It’s medical ethics, not the Hippocratic Oath. Most doctors swear to an ethical standard. Besides, “first, do no harm” is a bit unhelpful if you’re a surgeon.
Otherwise you’re right, the risks of pregnancy outweigh the side effects of birth control, which is why birth control for women doesn’t have as high a standard for mitigating other consequences.
The Hippocratic oath is not a thing in most countries and not applicable anyway. If it was, kidney transplants would be done without a doctor present (in the US that is, don’t overestimate your little made up oath ritual internationally)
Hippocrates wasn’t American and the oath was made sometime around the 4th century BCE. It’s been part of medical tradition since then (at least if you follow ancient Greek tradition)
While that is indubitably correct, the only jurisdiction I know that makes binding references to whatever is used as “Hippocratic oath” is the U.S.
Somehow, we manage to accept organ transplants despite it hurting one healthy person a little to help an unhealthy person a lot. What’s stopping us from treating birth control the same way?
You can already do that with condoms and no one is messing up their body…
Condoms are only 99% effective. You NEED a second layer of defence.
They’re 100% effective, the only reason there said to be 99% effective is to prevent lawsuits from people using then incorrectly.
I’m a human, I can make mistakes in the heat of the moment. I’ve had friend couples I know get pregnant even though they’re “professional condom putters onners”.
It’s not the condom’s fault if you make a mistake. Condom material doesn’t let sperm through, it’s that simple, it’s been used incorrectly if it did. Companies don’t want to lose time and money with lawsuits hence 99%.
Also, anecdotal evidence while you weren’t in bed with them isn’t much of a proof, it’s as valid as me telling you I’ve never got any girl pregnant even when we weren’t using any protection therefore pulling out is 100% effective.
Exactly.
Condoms would be 99% effective if they could be made idiot-proof.
Sucks you’re being down voted, I mean maybe saying “idiot-proof” isn’t nice but comprehensive sex ed should cover helping those with a noodle understand how to find ones that fit comfortably and what main causes there are for breakage n whatnot. I’m currently having that discussion with my sex buddy, and I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve had people try to coerce me into letting them go raw dog in the past. Like keep in mind I’m in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.
Like keep in mind I’m in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.
Bummer.
2/3 of the states will follow in another year. That’s what happens when we elect people no matter how badly they do their jobs.
I’m not voting for this scum, but yeah, we’ll see. Hoping it’ll make it to the ballot so the people can actually vote to amend the state constitution like others have. The people may be dumb at electing Representatives, but get a straight forward measure up for vote and the people seem to follow through in correcting it.
It’s the Internet.
People downvote a lot of stuff.
What do you mean by always? The birth control makes sense because it’s much harder to do it for men because sperm is constantly being produced and women only release 1 egg per month. What other ways do women have to mess up their bodies?
Forgetting about pregnancy and childbirth perhaps? I take it that they meant those things fuck up women’s bodies pretty severely sometimes. It’s a tough struggle to recover from pregnancy and childbirth, and some never do.
But apart from that, birth control should be an equal burden, IMO.
Oh, wow, do you come off as uninformed! Birth control for women has tons and tons of side effects, and it’s in no way easier to prevent successful ovulation than it is to prevent fertile sperm production. In fact, birth control drugs for men have been repeatedly blocked by regulators for having too many side effects, while those side effects pretty closely mirror those of the pill for women. So, interfering with everything from blood pressure to appetite is acceptable when women are affected, but can’t be burdened upon men?
Interrupting the ovulation cycle comes at great cost for the body. All the “non-hormonal” ways of birth control we have (except the condom) require either poisonous metals and foreign objects to be pushed inside the uterus, increasing the risk for cysts, causing pain, and regular checkups and painful procedures to be applied or fitted (diaphragm). Or toxins to be applied straight into a woman’s private parts (spermicides). Calendar-based methods and “pulling out” have large margins of error, as have condoms.
Do the copper IEDs have negative side effects? I thought the objection to those was purely moral.
Edit: I meant IUD lol
Yep.
Firstly: Disregarding the discomfort of having to see the doctor and having something shoved inside your body is a weird mistake, especially men tend to make regularly when talking about those things. Having your genitals exposed to and then painfully tampered with by what is ultimately a stranger isn’t a thing most people would describe as a pleasant afternoon activity.
The side effects aren’t just from hormones. Imagine having to do a prostate exam every 6 months and a metal plug shoved close to your prostate through your urethra every few years (not the same, of course, just an attempt at an analogy, since men are one hole short down there). Wouldn’t you dislike that? Many women are really sensitive around their cervix and implanting the IUD can therefore be really painful.
Secondly: Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people, and there are hints that those IUDs can increase the risk for cysts, which in turn cause issues, pain and sometimes need surgical removal.
Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people
The two women I dated that had an implanted IUD legit didn’t have a period anymore. So not only was the bleeding and cramps not worse, they simply didn’t exist.
You honestly seem to just trying to be pushing some agenda, possibly because you had a bad experience and you’re assuming that’s just the way it is for everyone, when the reality is it’s pretty rare.
IEDs have very negative effects, but you wouldn’t really call them side-effects.
And IUDs involve surgery which has its own risks including perforating the uterus, plus they can become infected and cause sepsis which is deadly, plus in general infections suck. Some women suffer immense pain which may or may not be ignored by their doctors. They also do release hormones which have fewer side effects because they’re more local, but they’re not side effect free.
Many of these issues were much worse in the earlier days, where many women died or suffered serious illness and permanent infertility whilst doctors didn’t take them seriously because women are often ignored by doctors where men would not be. So the level of safety the devices now have was bought with a lot of women’s unnecessary suffering.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/iud-risks-and-complications-906766
My wife got bad repeated infections and had a lot of pain from the copper iud.
If you go looking for testimonials you’ll find numerous people who had bad experiences with it.
Also, they really should offer anesthetic or at least a powerful painkiller for the insertion and removal procedures. Doctors act like it’s no big deal, but it’s very painful.
Yet another case of the medical industry not caring one iota about women and women’s ability to identify what is going on with their own bodies. The number of times I’ve heard of doctors dismissing women’s pain and issues makes me want to scream.
Honestly, as glad as this article makes me, I’d still like to see a perfect birth control for women. Periods seem like they must be the worst part of being a woman (biologically, not socially). Having a temporary, reversible way to stop ovulation without fucking up a dozen related systems and causing physical and mental anguish would be nice.
I know it has many side effects. My girfriend suffered many of them when she was taking the pill and I had to beg her to stop because it just was not worth it.
And fuck off of course it’s easier to stop ovulation than sperm production. It’s a numbers game. Also not like I fucking made hormonal birth control. What we have now is bad and you can go ahead and find a better alternative with less side effects. That does not mean the new birth control should also have side effects. Take issue with the people that approved the current ones.
A “numbers game”? Do you think there are little men in your balls, strangulating every sperm cell when it’s formed? Or… do you think the pill works by somehow interfering with the ovum itself?
Because it doesn’t. Quite the opposite. Just as male contraception methods don’t try to kill sperm, but to shut down the factory. Besides: You cannot measure the difficulty or complexity of medical procedures by how many cells are affected. By that logic, brain surgery would be way easier to do than amputating a leg.
What I meant is that it’s easier to ensure it works being a numbers game. If you constantly have new sperm being made it’s way harder to shut that down consistently than to stop one egg releasing once per month.
It’s a numbers game.
Shut your ignorant and definitely young-ass mouth. Think, for one second about what you just said. Does this make sense? Even i (not a doctor) can smell the stupid on this, cuz you pulled that out of your ass.
In the future, just shut your mouth and nod as if you understand when you’re presented with new information.
Do this and you’ll look smarter until you get smarter.
This valuable lesson you are learning will make you look smarter as you mature.
Woah there, you shouldn’t berate someone, belittling them for being “too young” and then act like a child in the supermarket when they didn’t get the Matchbox Car they wanted. Jeez!
This is a really dumb take. The onus of birth control should not be kbly on the women.
Calling someone dumb isn’t a good way to start a discussion. When men wear condoms how can you claim the onus is on women? My wife didn’t want to take hormones so I wore condoms, every couple has that option.
I didn’t call them dumb, I called the statement a really dumb take, not the same thing.
Condoms are a thing
Condoms don’t work for everyone’s body.
Edit: to be clear I’m saying it’s not that simple. There should be more options for anyone with a penis to be able to handle this important implication of having sex. For anyone in general, more options are always good.
Condoms don’t work for everyone’s body
They even make a condom small enough to fit on your dick.
we can finally share the load and mess up everyone because of not affording babies!
yeah, not wanting 10 children is a matter of cost, of course. It’s baffling to me how unreflected and naive opinions regarding reproduction still are…
Right? I’m at the point where I can’t possibly fathom the thought process of bringing a child into this world.
I’ve got one, but I wouldn’t want another one every year, and I certainly would not want to stop having fun times with the wife either…
i was half joking but i use contraceptives because i cant afford one.
i’m not even thinking about 10 and never will.
share the load
Sorry. I’m a child.
If only your dad had had this pill
Same. I’ve always preferred to be in full control of my own contraception, mostly because I just don’t trust anyone else with something that consequential
Will definitely be awesome when all parties have comfortable, reliable, safe options to protect themselves
She would still have to either trust him or take birth control herself as well.
Is any birth control really trust free?
Be me
The only thing that works is abstinence. It’s like handling a gun. Don’t put your dick in something that you can impregnate unless you’re ready for kids.
Disclaimer: This comment is not meant to be taken seriously. Even though it’s true.
I know it puts me at odds with probably every sex ed curriculum, but I don’t think abstinence counts as birth control because it’s not coitus that risks pregnancy. It’s like saying ice skating is birth control.
Worked for me. Still don’t have kind
Worked for me, turned gay. Five stars/zero kids.
Keep trying! You’ll get his ass gregnant one day if you try hard enough!
or girl’s ass, I’m not sure which kinda gay you are!
Get a vasectomy, it’s pretty close
The other party still has to trust that you actually got it and all the rest of the sperm have passed.
Lab tested and certified baby, I’d put it on my resume if that wasn’t weird
Would have to add some cryptography to that certificate to make it trustless.
New cryptocurrency in 3… 2…
I was just thinking about good old fashioned PGP lol.
Condom. You can see that it’s there. Closest you can get.
It is pretty easy to tamper with a condom in invisible ways, from poking holes or letting it expire, to stealthing. Hell, you can even cook the condom at low heat for a while in its package and you will cause significant structural damage to it, without even bruising most packaging.
Even a freshly bought condom and a little sleight of hand can go a long way into tampering. No birth control is trust free.
You’re always supposed to use multiple methods regardless.
Pullout game strong af. Using it for years.
Having said that, I don’t recommend it.
What’s pullout
Nobody here seens to have answered it so:
The pull-out “method” is when a person pulls their penis out of a vagina before they ejaculate. It’s not effective because you can’t be sure you’ve timed it right and some sperm can still escape before ejacualtion. It’s a shitty “method”. Don’t use it like the idiot above.
I take offense to you calling me an idiot. That’s not fair. I have extremely good ejaculation control. But I still obviously don’t recommend this to anyone else. It’s a shitty method if you leak a little bit during sexual activity, too, which I never do.
Do note that we often time sex to low fertility sectors in the menstrual cycle.
Again. Do not use this method. (But no need to hate on someone it does work well for, wtf.)
Alright thanks for the response !
And we wonder why teen pregnancy is such a problem.
It’s a type of couch/sofa that turns into a bed
Oh my dear child ❤️
Ironically, in the hands of an experienced practitioner, the pullout method is very effective at preventing pregnancy.
The problem comes when it’s a kid trying it for the first time having sex, or someone not in full control of their facilities towards the end of sex. Easy to get caught up and “forget” if you’re having a good time.
Yeah, that’s me. I have extremely good ejaculation control and know myself very well at the end of sex. Like, I’ve been using it for like 20 years. And the two times I actually wanted to make children we became pregnant immediately, so we are both very fertile. So I know it’s working well.
But as you say, you have to be experienced to trust it. It was more scary in the beginning.
It’s been working for my wife and I for five years, but it’s a low risk situation for us since we could handle another kid if I ever had a whoopsie daisy.
It’s good that you also weigh the risk against your ability to raise another one. That’s the true responsibility right there. Unprotected sex I feel is only ever irresponsible if you run a risk of infecting someone or making a baby that you don’t want to or can’t raise properly.
I wish you and your wife the best in your lives together. ❤️
Male self control breakthrough keeps their dick in their pants and don’t have sex for a while. Try it some time, it’s fantastic.
I tried it, but when I’m around your mom, she keeps begging for it!
Everyone brace yourself! The Christians are looking for Bible quotes right now!
If altar boys could get pregnant, the church would have approved birth control long ago.
oof
It is God who ridicules them, and leaves them bewildered in their transgression.
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Birth control was always prohibited im Christianity (at least Catholics, the ones I know the most about), from condom to pills to IUD, this won’t change it.
Any christian that is against one kind of birth control but in ok with other is just freestyling dogmas
Catholics yes, Protestant no. Both are Christianity. You need to read more, or at least watch some Monty Python.
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And moments after its efficacy was proven, Louisiana banned it.
… in mice.
Vasectomy gang 😎😎✂️✂️ All juice no seeds
The Caveat is that it is permanent and irreversible with very few exceptions.
Another caveat is that it’s not allowed for men under 25 in my country (Sweden). “My body - my choice” only applies to one gender lol
edit: Although, to be fair, sterilisation is also not allowed for women under 25. They do ofc have many more options though
There’s actually a pretty high success rate for surgical reversal. Some clinics hitting 90%. Still, not ideal.
Successful reversal meaning they managed to glue the tubes back together. Successful pregnancies are significantly lower afaik
Yeah, but how available are those clinics to the average person? I’ve never looked into it personally, but I assume travel is necessary and costs are out of pocket.
Absolutely a correct take, I’d say. I know that my insurance would cover it but this is the first time that I’ve EVER had insurance that would touch anything related to fertility (beyond female birth control) with a 10ft pole. I’d say that it’s fair to say that the average person in the US does not have access, mainly due to the awful level of “normal” for healthcare accessibility.
I’ve looked into it recently, myself. I wanted to see if the snip was an option due to how hormonal birth control impacts by wife. With the desire to still have kids at some point, it’s not a sure enough thing currently and is not recommended for people like me (“if you’re looking into reversibility, it’s probably not for you”). When I last looked a decade ago, success rates were topping out around 60-70%. Advances in surgical technique and technology have really improved things though. If only something like vasalgel would actually see availability - I’m not confident though, after two decades of failure.
That’s kinda the point
Also why it isn’t a replacement for birth control.
Exactly, one of the best decisions I ever made
How was the recovery process? I keep meaning to do it (we’re done having kids), but we keep having trips or whatever, so excuses pile up.
How soon could I be back doing active things? I have young kids, so “active” to me means roughhousing with the kids and whatnot.
My recovery was honestly pretty bad. I was bed-ridden for about 2 weeks, then 8-ish months of aching pain all day every day. Not actually sure when it finally cleared up, I just realized I hadn’t felt the pain in a while. My first nut was about a month after the procedure, and that was also a very unpleasant experience.
My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
That said, I still 100% recommend getting it done.
I knew a guy who didn’t respond to the local anesthesia, and could feel the whole thing, and his doctor didn’t believe him.
Even he didn’t regret it.
Oh, yeah, my local wore off halfway through. When they applied more, it felt like they lit my nuts on fire.
My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
Dang that sucks your urologist / surgeon didn’t let you know about this. Mine was very clear that though it is rare (was quoted 1% which seems kind high to me) he doesn’t recommend going through with the procedure if you have testicular pain in your day to day as it could be a risk factor for having permanent pain afterwards
but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives
EVEN AFTER REVERSING THE PROCEDURE
Look, it’s SUPER rare. We still drive cars even though, using my state of California as an example, eight of us die on the roads every day.
But…
I could never forgive myself if my groin hurt thirty years from now because of a singular & highly-optional decision I made today.
Same with LASIK - some have dry eyes forever afterwards. Nooooooo
Mine was rough too, about 6 months before I was normal.
Not a single fucking regret
I’m so sorry, that’s horrid! I have multiple friends who came home with no pain, didn’t do cum for a few weeks, and basically didn’t even notice anything.
That’s so fucking horrible, I wish you had a much better experience. At least you can dump in the gut eternally with no worries, though.
Mine wasn’t too bad. I spent a couple days on the couch taking OTC pain killers, and was able to move around well enough to light house work after a couple days. Honestly the hardest part was the month waiting to have sex before I could confirm it worked.
Not OP, but mine was really pretty manageable. 2 days of sitting in an easy chair and icing my balls, 2 days of “walking is fine, but avoid any sudden movements,” and a week of “it’s a little sore, but it doesn’t really hurt.” After that, it was about 2-3 weeks where I didn’t really notice it unless I moved the wrong way too suddenly (whereupon I’d get a quick twinge, but nothing too bad).
Really a pretty small cost for the benefits. I don’t really like painkillers, but I do recommend some THC gummies for the first week and a fresh series to binge
When I did mine, I drove myself home and put a bag of peas on there for the afternoon. I was fine pretty much right away, but I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wild.
Plus you have to ejaculate like 30 times in two weeks to clean out the pipes, but your sperm is still active so you can only do hand and mouth stuff. That was a pretty good two weeks.
It’s literally so easy and the peace of mind is really nice especially if you’re impulsive as fuck like me.
I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wil
My brother only waited 2 days because he felt like he was recovering well. He said everything felt great right up to the point he nutted. Then it was like someone punched him in the balls. He was like "oh yes… oh yes… OH YES… OH GOD NO!!!
Hmm I’m not sure. I got it over summer in college and work a desk job, so I got it done on friday, chilled all weekend on the couch watching movies, building legos, snacking, and icing my nuts, and I was back to work on monday
Not bad at all.
For the first week doc said no erections- turns out not getting hard was the hardest part. After that, it was like a month or so of no unprotected sex. It’s been a few years so I might not remember correctly, but I think he recommended like 15 to 20 ejaculations in that time frame. And I’m going to humble brag here- I’ve been blessed with a wife whose libido is way higher than mine. But that month, knowing that each orgasm was one step closer to her not having kids again- she made it her mission in life to knock those orgasms out as fast as I could get it up.
I didn’t really have any swelling that I can remember- I iced my scrotum for a few hours but it didn’t hurt too bad so I stopped after that. Some acetaminophen helped with the residual pain, and I think I had to take it easy for a couple of weeks- don’t lift anything heavy to strain your groin muscles.
All in all, I don’t regret it and highly recommend anyone who is done having children to get one.
How the hell is one supposed to avoid getting any erections? Morning wood isn’t exactly something people have any degree of control over…
The worst was over in a couple of days but for the next three months it stuff there was a slight discomfort in some situations
Pretty quick.
My kids are currently 5 and 2 had my vasectomy about 6 months after the second (wanted sooner but no appointments available, and it’s first consult then another appointment).
Toughest thing for me was the second day. Day of I was given Valium, procedure was easy peasy. I’d call it a few days of discomfort, just plan to take it easy.
Multiple of my friends reported being totally fine right after, with no pain. Not even frozen peas. But they all waited a couple weeks before doing cum again.
I got mine last year. I was fully recovered in terms of physical activity within probably 4-5 days but I did get two very uncomfortable sperm granulomas that hung around for several days each. My nuts swelled up and turned purple so that was pretty fucking scary but it wasn’t anything dangerous. Just a lot of aching. But within a month I was completely back to normal.
Make sure you get your own pain medication ahead of time. Mine was apparently worse than the other replies, and the doctor being stingy about meds made it needlessly terrible.
No I don’t otherwise do opiates. Doctors are just stingy because of the people who are on opiates.
Good advice. I’ve never had surgery outside of wisdom teeth removal, and other than then, I’ve never used anything stronger than ibuprofen. I’ve taken some pretty rough spills, so I think I have a high pain tolerance, but I don’t know for sure.
I did the thing on ibuprofen. Your guys get serious pain medication for that?
Maybe my surgeon sucked, because it was definitely not an ibuprofen situation.
I got mine from Dr. Dick Chopp.
Dr. Richard Chopin.
Too subtle?
I had a GP named Richard Cutter.
I gave myself one with a pair of rusty nail clippers, it worked well.
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I’m worried about pain. Also pain lasting a long/ permanent time.
Also I had epididymitis already. So maybe I shouldn’t go for it.
But too many guys get lied to and end up with a kid they didn’t want. That’s my biggest worry.
Oh, I’m way ahead of them there, with 44 years of shitty diet and lifestyle choices.
I’ve been ingesting mirco plastics on purpose to avoid having children!
you should be ingesting macroplastics if you want real results
It seems to be working. They found microplastic in every testicle in their study
Ha jokes on them, the plastic in my balls is permanently shutting of my sperm!
Plastic is stored in the balls
thank you
I don’t trust drug companies not to mess up.
Honestly this is valid. I wouldn’t take this immediately. I would wait a few years to see if there are any side effects, too much money to be made.
That’s why they do clinical trials
I can’t find much on the mechanism of action (serine/threonine kinase antagonism), other than it’s been tried to fight cancer and failed, hopefully it doesn’t have any terrible side effects.
It sounds safer than the retinoic acid antagonist one that was posted a while ago anyway, I can’t imagine a drug that does the opposite of tretinoin will be popular.
the first trials for this resulted in men becoming sterile and then killing themselves.
And then a bunch of female comedians made fun of them for “being a little moody”
The point of the joke is not that they think men are being babies about it. It is that women’s birth control causes these same side effects, along with strokes, and a number of other serious, long term issues. However when women say they do not want to take birth control, and instead opt for doing things that requirement more responsibility of the man, they are often told similar things concerning the negative effects they get when using it, and they should just deal with it.
birth control for women doesn’t make a woman permanently sterile like the drug trials for male birth control did for men
Maybe not, but female hormonal birth control can cause liver tumors and blood clots. Can’t have more kids if a blood clot kills you.
The moral of the story should be safer contraceptives for everyone…
Unfortunately for women they weigh the side effects of hormonal birth control against those of a pregnancy. Since pregnancy also increases the chance of blood clots and other things they just say “good enough!” And put it on the market…which is bullshit. Either way we’re at higher risk of serious health issues.
That’s why women are angry. I feel confident saying the majority of women dont want unsafe bc for men. We want more research into safer bc options available for us too.
Sorry it’s very rare to cause the least of the issues on that list, must mean they don’t have a point.
That is actually not true. Not downplaying the significance of these affects, but…
In the 60s and 70s a large number of planned parenthood clinics were in low-income and predominantly black neighbourhoods, aimed at reducing the number of black babies.
In the same era birth control (more appropriately termed eugenics) programs forcibly sterilized black and indigenous women. Where it was presented as an option, the consequence for not following through on these doctor’s “recommendations,” were threats to withhold healthcare or public assistance. The statistics through the 60s and 70s were that roughly 1 in 4 were non-consenually sterilized.
But also, yeah, the results of this trial are fucked and people are right to be skeptical of this drug.
More info on this here:
I had assumed the women weren’t sterilised by the normal contraceptive meds, but it seems they used a large dose of Depo-Provera which is a legit contraceptive injection. Not the usual pills but still.
There are also stories in that article of people having forced hysterectomies.
America’s history of racism is so dark.
Did this happen? Or was this a satirical take on something that happened to women?
Lmao that’s kinda funny response though
Women’s birth control hasn’t exactly been side-effect-free, what with the strokes. But also, sauce?
Pretty sure that was a joke…
Women’s birth control hasn’t exactly been side-effect-free,
I never said otherwise.
Okay.
Not saying the pill won’t eventually appear but the track record for men contraception hitting the market is not good. It always get cancelled in an endless loop of disapointment.
People serious about sharing the load or protecting women from the aide effect of birth control should look up vasectomy or thermal contraception. It works.
I’ve been on thermal contraception for 6months myself and my sperm production bas completely stoped with no side effects. Highly recommend.
Thermal protection? Isn’t that permanent?
It is not in this case at least. The method relies on using a device (usually a ring) to push the testicles hiver in your body, and the temperature there is enough to stop spermatogenesis. The current method involves stopping every 3 years for at l’East 6 months to ensure production returns to normal. There is no documented side effect, though it should be noted that as always in this area, fully documented medical trial are pending. You my ne referring to other methods using higher temps or external device such as heating boxer but i have not experienced not researched those so i cannot answer you.
Hehe “sharing the load”
Should be noted vasectomies aren’t reliably reversible after a certain point, but if you know you don’t want kids, by all means. I’d rather my partner take that leap than me have to have more invasive surgery
Yeah my bad for puting both in the same bag i totally agree. I meant to say that thermal contraception is a good alternative to birth control that men can use, just as vasectomy is a viable alternative to tubal litigation. And both are easier and with less side effect than the woman counterpart.
