When some “every sperm is sacred” loons in Alabama (probably calling themselves “the Sons of Oman” or some corny shit, decides to sue, l imagine it’ll be treated the same way they have treated women’s contraception and medical abortion.
Surely.
I’m doing my part.
Sons of Onan is unironically a pretty good name for an anti-masturbation extremist group
can’t wait for the inevitable surge of pregnancies, as people learn that that sperm doesn’t just fucking disappear, and that it needs to be manually cleared first.
Every sperm is sacred!
for the downvoters, it’s a song from a Monthy Python movie, so comedy (and great one at that!)
Ha jokes on them, the plastic in my balls is permanently shutting of my sperm!
Plastic is stored in the balls
thank you
Honestly, as a dude, I’m 100% down for male birth control. Can’t wait.
Hopefully it less hormonal side affects than the female pill. But yeah having an extra level of protection will be nice.
“Extra Level”? It’s more about taking the burden off the women for me. Why do they, and only they, always have to mess up their bodies?
we can finally share the load and mess up everyone because of not affording babies!
share the load
Sorry. I’m a child.
If only your dad had had this pill
yeah, not wanting 10 children is a matter of cost, of course. It’s baffling to me how unreflected and naive opinions regarding reproduction still are…
i was half joking but i use contraceptives because i cant afford one.
i’m not even thinking about 10 and never will.
Right? I’m at the point where I can’t possibly fathom the thought process of bringing a child into this world.
I’ve got one, but I wouldn’t want another one every year, and I certainly would not want to stop having fun times with the wife either…
What do you mean by always? The birth control makes sense because it’s much harder to do it for men because sperm is constantly being produced and women only release 1 egg per month. What other ways do women have to mess up their bodies?
Oh, wow, do you come off as uninformed! Birth control for women has tons and tons of side effects, and it’s in no way easier to prevent successful ovulation than it is to prevent fertile sperm production. In fact, birth control drugs for men have been repeatedly blocked by regulators for having too many side effects, while those side effects pretty closely mirror those of the pill for women. So, interfering with everything from blood pressure to appetite is acceptable when women are affected, but can’t be burdened upon men?
Interrupting the ovulation cycle comes at great cost for the body. All the “non-hormonal” ways of birth control we have (except the condom) require either poisonous metals and foreign objects to be pushed inside the uterus, increasing the risk for cysts, causing pain, and regular checkups and painful procedures to be applied or fitted (diaphragm). Or toxins to be applied straight into a woman’s private parts (spermicides). Calendar-based methods and “pulling out” have large margins of error, as have condoms.
Honestly, as glad as this article makes me, I’d still like to see a perfect birth control for women. Periods seem like they must be the worst part of being a woman (biologically, not socially). Having a temporary, reversible way to stop ovulation without fucking up a dozen related systems and causing physical and mental anguish would be nice.
I know it has many side effects. My girfriend suffered many of them when she was taking the pill and I had to beg her to stop because it just was not worth it.
And fuck off of course it’s easier to stop ovulation than sperm production. It’s a numbers game. Also not like I fucking made hormonal birth control. What we have now is bad and you can go ahead and find a better alternative with less side effects. That does not mean the new birth control should also have side effects. Take issue with the people that approved the current ones.
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Woah there, you shouldn’t berate someone, belittling them for being “too young” and then act like a child in the supermarket when they didn’t get the Matchbox Car they wanted. Jeez!
A “numbers game”? Do you think there are little men in your balls, strangulating every sperm cell when it’s formed? Or… do you think the pill works by somehow interfering with the ovum itself?
Because it doesn’t. Quite the opposite. Just as male contraception methods don’t try to kill sperm, but to shut down the factory. Besides: You cannot measure the difficulty or complexity of medical procedures by how many cells are affected. By that logic, brain surgery would be way easier to do than amputating a leg.
What I meant is that it’s easier to ensure it works being a numbers game. If you constantly have new sperm being made it’s way harder to shut that down consistently than to stop one egg releasing once per month.
Do the copper IEDs have negative side effects? I thought the objection to those was purely moral.
Edit: I meant IUD lol
My wife got bad repeated infections and had a lot of pain from the copper iud.
If you go looking for testimonials you’ll find numerous people who had bad experiences with it.
Also, they really should offer anesthetic or at least a powerful painkiller for the insertion and removal procedures. Doctors act like it’s no big deal, but it’s very painful.
Yet another case of the medical industry not caring one iota about women and women’s ability to identify what is going on with their own bodies. The number of times I’ve heard of doctors dismissing women’s pain and issues makes me want to scream.
Yep.
Firstly: Disregarding the discomfort of having to see the doctor and having something shoved inside your body is a weird mistake, especially men tend to make regularly when talking about those things. Having your genitals exposed to and then painfully tampered with by what is ultimately a stranger isn’t a thing most people would describe as a pleasant afternoon activity.
The side effects aren’t just from hormones. Imagine having to do a prostate exam every 6 months and a metal plug shoved close to your prostate through your urethra every few years (not the same, of course, just an attempt at an analogy, since men are one hole short down there). Wouldn’t you dislike that? Many women are really sensitive around their cervix and implanting the IUD can therefore be really painful.
Secondly: Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people, and there are hints that those IUDs can increase the risk for cysts, which in turn cause issues, pain and sometimes need surgical removal.
Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people
The two women I dated that had an implanted IUD legit didn’t have a period anymore. So not only was the bleeding and cramps not worse, they simply didn’t exist.
You honestly seem to just trying to be pushing some agenda, possibly because you had a bad experience and you’re assuming that’s just the way it is for everyone, when the reality is it’s pretty rare.
IEDs have very negative effects, but you wouldn’t really call them side-effects.
And IUDs involve surgery which has its own risks including perforating the uterus, plus they can become infected and cause sepsis which is deadly, plus in general infections suck. Some women suffer immense pain which may or may not be ignored by their doctors. They also do release hormones which have fewer side effects because they’re more local, but they’re not side effect free.
Many of these issues were much worse in the earlier days, where many women died or suffered serious illness and permanent infertility whilst doctors didn’t take them seriously because women are often ignored by doctors where men would not be. So the level of safety the devices now have was bought with a lot of women’s unnecessary suffering.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/iud-risks-and-complications-906766
Forgetting about pregnancy and childbirth perhaps? I take it that they meant those things fuck up women’s bodies pretty severely sometimes. It’s a tough struggle to recover from pregnancy and childbirth, and some never do.
But apart from that, birth control should be an equal burden, IMO.
This is a really dumb take. The onus of birth control should not be kbly on the women.
Calling someone dumb isn’t a good way to start a discussion. When men wear condoms how can you claim the onus is on women? My wife didn’t want to take hormones so I wore condoms, every couple has that option.
I didn’t call them dumb, I called the statement a really dumb take, not the same thing.
Condoms are a thing
Condoms don’t work for everyone’s body.
Edit: to be clear I’m saying it’s not that simple. There should be more options for anyone with a penis to be able to handle this important implication of having sex. For anyone in general, more options are always good.
Condoms don’t work for everyone’s body
They even make a condom small enough to fit on your dick.
Obviously it depends on the relationship and how risk averse you both are. But yeah why not both? Seems like a pretty good way to be really sure!
The hippocratic oath, in this case. Medicine is all about risk management, the worse the “disease,” the more tolerant we are of side effects for the cure. Pregnancy and birth are still pretty traumatic events that, while much safer than they used to be, are still dangerous. Female BC just has to be less risky than that. Male BC on the other hand, has to be as low the risk for a man impregnating a woman, which is to say, almost zero. Pretty much any negative side effect is worse than that, so it’s very difficult to pass. I would gladly take one with comparable side effects to female BC, but sometimes unflinching ethics are inconvenient. Better than the alternative, but still.
It’s medical ethics, not the Hippocratic Oath. Most doctors swear to an ethical standard. Besides, “first, do no harm” is a bit unhelpful if you’re a surgeon.
Otherwise you’re right, the risks of pregnancy outweigh the side effects of birth control, which is why birth control for women doesn’t have as high a standard for mitigating other consequences.
The Hippocratic oath is not a thing in most countries and not applicable anyway. If it was, kidney transplants would be done without a doctor present (in the US that is, don’t overestimate your little made up oath ritual internationally)
Hippocrates wasn’t American and the oath was made sometime around the 4th century BCE. It’s been part of medical tradition since then (at least if you follow ancient Greek tradition)
While that is indubitably correct, the only jurisdiction I know that makes binding references to whatever is used as “Hippocratic oath” is the U.S.
Somehow, we manage to accept organ transplants despite it hurting one healthy person a little to help an unhealthy person a lot. What’s stopping us from treating birth control the same way?
You can already do that with condoms and no one is messing up their body…
Condoms are only 99% effective. You NEED a second layer of defence.
They’re 100% effective, the only reason there said to be 99% effective is to prevent lawsuits from people using then incorrectly.
I’m a human, I can make mistakes in the heat of the moment. I’ve had friend couples I know get pregnant even though they’re “professional condom putters onners”.
It’s not the condom’s fault if you make a mistake. Condom material doesn’t let sperm through, it’s that simple, it’s been used incorrectly if it did. Companies don’t want to lose time and money with lawsuits hence 99%.
Also, anecdotal evidence while you weren’t in bed with them isn’t much of a proof, it’s as valid as me telling you I’ve never got any girl pregnant even when we weren’t using any protection therefore pulling out is 100% effective.
Exactly.
Condoms would be 99% effective if they could be made idiot-proof.
Sucks you’re being down voted, I mean maybe saying “idiot-proof” isn’t nice but comprehensive sex ed should cover helping those with a noodle understand how to find ones that fit comfortably and what main causes there are for breakage n whatnot. I’m currently having that discussion with my sex buddy, and I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve had people try to coerce me into letting them go raw dog in the past. Like keep in mind I’m in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.
It’s the Internet.
People downvote a lot of stuff.
Like keep in mind I’m in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.
Bummer.
2/3 of the states will follow in another year. That’s what happens when we elect people no matter how badly they do their jobs.
I’m not voting for this scum, but yeah, we’ll see. Hoping it’ll make it to the ballot so the people can actually vote to amend the state constitution like others have. The people may be dumb at electing Representatives, but get a straight forward measure up for vote and the people seem to follow through in correcting it.
Same. I’ve always preferred to be in full control of my own contraception, mostly because I just don’t trust anyone else with something that consequential
Will definitely be awesome when all parties have comfortable, reliable, safe options to protect themselves
And moments after its efficacy was proven, Louisiana banned it.
If it flies, look for a huge spike in stds
Huge spikes in STD’s is already happening due to other factors
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/sti-increase-syphilis-cases-spike-74-in-four-years
Wear a rubber kids. No one likes a raunchy coochie/schlong
Honestly, I think condoms are unrealistic. Fucking with a condom is so totally useless that you almost feel a bit resentful of the woman after. Like she has bad minge or something. The first time I had sex I was a good boy and used a condom and I just quit after a while, and sat down and wondered what the fuck was wrong. She thought I’d finished.
Saying “wear a rubber” is stupid. For a lot of people, sex with a condom is completely useless. I’ll wear one the first time with a woman as I ofc want to get imtimate, but the sex itself will be useless.
If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼♀️
But lame ass roasting aside, being responsible during sex is important. Being able to communicate your wants and needs is absolutely necessary. I’ll tell you that I also hated condoms during sex, but it took being with my partner about six months before I felt comfortable enough to bring up a discussion about having sex without condoms. We then talked about the risks of accidental pregnancy, STDs, and my hormones and birth control. In the long term, the time period we used condoms was worth it because we learned each other’s bodies, as well as each other’s personalities. Once we did move to sex without condoms, it was sooooo much better, but we also were better communicators and the sex was wayyy more fun.
You have to be willing to put in the time and effort and trust that leads to a real connection first.
If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼♀️
But lame ass roasting aside
Not gonna pretend that I don’t deserve it, or that I’m very polite either, but beginning every response with an insult is not some clever ‘roasting’.
I don’t agree with you that it should take half a year of learning your partner for sex to be good. If you’re attentive and interested in getting your partner off, then you can do that the first time, or certainly atleast in a shorter time than that. But it’s going to differ between different people ofc.
No one likes a raunchy coochie/schlong
Untrue. There are some people that specifically seek that, along with the STDs called “bug chasers.” Since I’ve been cursed with this knowledge, so must you all be.
There were bug chasers during the pandemic, too. >_>
Oh whyyyyy why have you done this to me…
The problem is that birth control has already been branded as a female thing.
What woman is going to trust a man not to instantly change her life.
It’s not a toggle switch, both can take it.
Men are so fragile.
Has anyone heard about the andro-switch ring before? It is supposed to work without taking any pills and be free of side effects (except for carrying a silicone ring around the testicles). https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/986261
Looks like you have to wear it for at least 15 hours a day for several months before it’s effective…
Yes I’m using it. It works as expected
I will never ever trust this. Not with how gender/maleness is treated these days. What ‘they’ consider safe can be entirely political and ideology-based, rather than a biological fact.
statistically, you’ll probably die in a car crash but the news doesnt even report auto accidents anymore.
Who’s “they”?
If it’s Urologists, like, those are the experts. If it’s someone on Twitter, they don’t matter. If it’s women as a whole… oh, boy. Dude. If it’s “the jews”, OH. BOY. DUDE. HOW EVEN?
It’s not jews, it’s not women, and it’s not strictly urologists. It’s everyone in government and the medical field who can influence what is and isn’t considered OK.
Time to loosen your tinfoil hat it’s starting to cut of circulation.
Living up to your name cro magnon
Found the incel
good god.
go back into your cave and stop telling people what you think, please.
Friendly reminder of the core problem: medical treatments are all balanced against the risk of what it counteracts.
Undergoing physical and chemical changes to grow another creature inside you and have it damage everything on the way out is pretty risky. Female birth control only has to be less risky than that.
A male has zero physiological risk from impregnating someone. Therefore, anything except a miracle drug with high efficacy and almost zero side effects is going to stall at the trial stage.
On another note, that speaks to how safe and effective vasectomies are.
Written by someone who has never had to pay child support.
Yeah zero psychological risk is a bit of an overstatement. Zero physical maybe, but there’s definitely psychological risks, and I’m not even thinking about child support
Have you ever had a toddler hit you over the head with a plastic bat? There IS physical risk in raising a child.
They said Physiological not Psychological. There’s a considerable difference between those two words.
The letters I and C?
I meant their meanings, rather than their spellings lol.
My bad, I can’t read 🤦
Upvoting the edit
There are also plenty of medical reasons for even sexually inactive women to take hormonal birth control. This isn’t only about pregnancy, which as you say can have all sorts of physical consequences.
I will say this as often as I can, getting the ol snip snip was the best decision I’ve ever made.
Do you have kids or did you never want them?
Not that guy, but I have one kid who I love to bits. Got a vasectomy when he was 2 years old cause we would explode if we had a second kid, lol. One is enough for us. We’ve been incredibly fortunate so we decided we didn’t need any more surprises.
The doc who did mine was a military vet who went into urology after serving. I remember reading the pamphlet on the operation and it said the vasectomy only took 15 minutes. I asked him, “It only takes 15 minutes??” and he responded, “Eight.”
I like a good speedrun as much as the next guy, but I told him to take his sweet time lol. Ain’t in no rush, doc.
Recovery was super chill. Couldn’t roughhouse with my son for a week or two, and that’s about it. I’ve got some fun titanium clamps chilling in my junk now, so that’s fun. I’m basically Wolverine.
Agreed. I have zero regret.
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I don’t trust drug companies not to mess up.
Honestly this is valid. I wouldn’t take this immediately. I would wait a few years to see if there are any side effects, too much money to be made.
That’s why they do clinical trials
There’s a fair amount of talk in the comments for and against condoms. Has anyone considered a custom fit silicone penis sleeve as a more pleasurable alternative?
They aren’t an alternative.
From the website you linked’s own FAQ
While a sleeve is non-porous and should not allow fluids to escape they have not been tested nor are they recommended to be a form of contraception.
Yes a condom can be worn under a sleeve. Wearing one over a sleeve will not help if you are wearing it as a form of contraception.
I think they have to say that.
Especially if it’s true. Which if they haven’t tested them, an easily probably thing to prove for them, then they should not be recommended by you, or anyone, as a contraceptive.
It’s like my ex trying to tell her birthcontrol is working just fine because she took 3 pills at once after forgetting to take it twice in a row even though the manufacturer says if you dont follow the directions you have to start the initial waiting period over again, because “i think they have to say that” (she also used those exact words)
Bad advice is bad advice. Why should anyone ever trust their future and also their health by listening to your advice that directly opposes the manufacturers warning. They are legally liable for their product, you are just some random person potentially ruining peoples lives with your opinions.
I hope they sue you for damages before anyone fucks up their life by being convinced by your bad attitude
I mean, cotton swab manufacturers have to include an instruction not to clean your ears with their product, but let’s be real: that’s what they’re for.
And any audiologist or ENT will back them up and also tell you not to do that and then give you examples of known reasons why they also say dont use them
But they’re just the right size and it feels so good.
How is that in anyway relevant to this discussion about them as a contraceptive device???!?
You might as well be talking about the pull put method of contraceptive with a line like that, which is not helpful
god damn the comments on this post are the fucking wild west
I’ve heard of a male birth control every couple years and still nothing on the market. Usually it’s because there are slight side effects and that’s considered to much of a risk meanwhile female birth control can cause blood clots and whatnot. I’m too jaded to believe this will ever come to fruition.
