The group left in a U-Haul box truck that was driven out of the county, police said, indicating the demonstrators were outsiders.
A small group of neo-Nazis marched in downtown Nashville, Tennessee, on Saturday, drawing a few vocal opponents and ultimately leaving following a “challenge,” police said.
The demonstrators, all men, wore red, long-sleeve T-shirts and black pants, and some carried black Nazi flags, according to verified social media video from the scene.
“Neo-Nazi demonstrators … carried flags with swastikas, walked around the Capitol and parts of downtown Saturday afternoon,” Nashville police said in a statement.
No arrests were reported, and the group left in a U-Haul box truck that ultimately exited greater Nashville, police said, indicating the demonstrators may have been from out of town.
“Some persons on Broadway challenged the group, most of whom wore face coverings,” the department said. “The group headed to a U-Haul box truck, got in, and departed Davidson County.”
Nobody thinks it’s weird they didn’t rent a bus? They rented a UHaul box truck and just piled in and sat on the floor? Folding chairs? Like this sounds like some low budget human trafficking cosplay.
Is that even legal? Shouldn’t the cops ticket them all for unsafe travel and make them take a bus home?
Some of those that work forces
probably cheaper
Which seems illegal. Why couldn’t they have been pulled over and at least cited for not wearing a seatbelt?
Who would be available to cite them? All the cops are in the back of the U-Haul.
Someone would have had to call it in that saw them getting out (or piling in), otherwise nobody knows what’s inside.
It seems like a really reckless way to travel. Those things don’t open from the inside. If their driver was somehow incapacitated or if someone were to put a lock on the back latch, the nazis in that uhaul would be in serious jeopardy.
But even without that consideration, the idea of getting into a cramped unventilated vehicle that wasn’t designed for humans and trusting a nazi to transport you anywhere seems ill-advised.
Nazis are historically stupid. Modern Nazis aren’t any different
I mean, if you could think of any group that would put a pile of people in an insafe unventilated box Nazi is pretty high up there.
I say they should do it again.
So what you’re saying is, “keep taking uhauls Nazis”?
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They are neo-Nazis, thinking skills are not one of their strong suits. If the Nazis actually came back they’d have them all executed (like they did last time) because these people are useless. They are all far too self-important to follow orders, and too thick for command.
You just described the SS, my guy.
Brownshirt types might be useless on a battlefield but you don’t use them for that, you use them for paramilitary actions like intimidating citizens and rounding up isolated “enemies of the state.”
The SS came later. Look it up.
– and once the revolution succeeds what you have is a group of independently minded and experienced “revolutionaries”. So naturally they need to be purged to protect those now in power.
they’d have them all executed (like they did last time) because these people are useless
The Night of the Short Knives.
Buses are expensive to rent. A u-haul is like $20 for the day.
But what about all the Good Guys that show up in U-Hauls?
Hey the only thing that can stop bad guys with U-Hauls are good guys with U-Hauls
It’s easier to avoid detection until it’s too late if no one can see you.
It’s because they want to be able to hide. You see a bus, not only do you know it’s full of people but you can often see through the windows, and they can see you. A box truck is a stealthier way to move those people, and it also prevents a bunch of wanna-be tacticool fascist shitfucks from seeing the crowd telling them to emulate their hero and kill themselves.
It could just be way cheaper too
That’s probably the real reason. You can get a Uhaul for $20-30 for the day, a bus would be much higher.
There aren’t really a lot of places around where you can rent a bus, either. And the driver would need a CDL (with passenger endorsement) if it has more than 15 seats. Any schmuck can rent a box truck.
Like a factor 30 higher…
Among the seriousness of the situation, I just want to say that I find hilarious that after these things happen, nazis online always go “well those aren’t real nazis because look how fit they are, they are all in good shape, and are marching! they must be feds because of all the walking and going outside!
wereal nazis could never!”Bunch of cowardly, destitute morons- all of them
Just want to say, if I’m on your jury after you have fucked up a truck full of nazis, you will never see prison as I consider it self-defense.
Fuck yes.
Yeah, just make sure you don’t make that known during jury selection or you won’t get to help.
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3rd, 4rth, 5th, etc
If you openly try to stear the jury to nullify you’ll be tried for perjury because jury questioning basically amounts to “are you going to nullify if the evidence doesn’t agree with what you think should happen here? Yes or no?”
Yeah, I know.
Don’t be too gung ho either though, if you’re going that route you have to be able to defend the idea that you argued based on the evidence of the case, because otherwise they’ll try to charge you with perjury for lying during jury questioning, they’ll do this because they designed the questions specifically to adversarially try to weed out anyone who’ll blatantly ignore the law and evidence in favor of how they think the case should be decided.
Don’t be too mad at them though, if everyone started doing that, they’d basically have no job.
Killing nazis is both a moral and ethical good.
The only good nazi is a dead nazi.
In the corpses of fascists, the most beautiful flowers grow.
I always assumed it would be like Lord of the Rings. When evil creatures die, they get burned, and nothing ever grows there again, the landscape permanently defiled.
While I do like that metaphor and gave such texture to Tolkien’s world, I prefer a more eastern philosophy that corruption and rot is a part of the cycle of life, and the vilest filth over time becomes nutrients for a new generation through immersion in earth and transformation.
Time to give them a pocket of sunflower seeds.
I was ban of reddit fur saying that x3
Lemmy is actually leftist unlike Reddit.
Telling Nazis they should follow Hitler’s lead and kill themselves is just a Tuesday here.
People need to start taking the paradox of tolerance seriously.
The way I see it if very simple. The umbrella of tolerance only stretches over the people who agree to support it. If you are someone who subscribes to an ideology of intolerance you cannot expect to be protected by the very thing you are trying to eliminate.
“How do I compromise with someone who wants to put me standing at a wall and shoot me? Stand sideways?”
The compromise is to put them in jail.
They want to kill you, so instead of killing them, just jail them.
I know it was rhetorically, just wanted to give that answer.
And how well did that work with Adolph Hitler? History seems to suggest that jailing would-be Fascist dictators only delays the inevitable, and tends to work in their favor by galvanizing their followers over the “injustice” of their incarceration. For moral and ethical reasons, I truly wish that were the appropriate response. History says it isn’t nearly as final as the solutions these maniacs devise for their scapegoats.
Fascism doesn’t happen cause of single individuals, it’s caused by a country going through turmoil. Those individuals, that always existed, finally get a significant audience at that time.
If your talking about root cause fixes, you got to fix the decaying system.
I call it the treaty model, they broke it, so they’re not under its protection.
Is there a general paradox of compromise, where the assumption that everything has a middle ground is wrong? The paradox of intolerance would be a specific example, but there is also the idea that common ground can always be found between two opposing sides.
For example someone against the death penalty because the courts keep putting innocent people on death row aren’t going to compromise on some acceptable number of innocent people dying.
For example someone against the death penalty because the courts keep putting innocent people on death row
I know it’s not the point of your comment but that’s not the only reason people are against the death penalty.
Doesn’t matter why in this analogy. Meeting in the middle between 0 and X innocent deaths, is still going to leave more than 0 innocent deaths. Which should be unacceptable to all non-sociopaths.
It’s illustrating the fallacy of assuming there is always a compromise in an argument. Sometimes there are, but not with Nazis or any intolerant groups, with the exception of intolerance of the intolerant, which is necessary to keep a society tolerant.
I just gave my own personal reason and did not imply it was the only reason.
Maybe the golden mean fallacy
That is it, thank you!
While I understand that you actually wanted to ask about a specific theory, it did not come out very well.
The neo-nazis are everywhere, getting more and more in the open, and it’s getting very scary for many people.
So I don’t question why they buried you with downvotes.
I wish there was an easy solution to this problem, and I worry a lot about what is to come.
I don’t understand why it did not come across well, as I was expanding on the paradox I already agreed with. You don’t need to answer, just expressing thoughts since the message I intended to convey did not land.
Did asking about the death penalty from the opposition’s standpoint instead of a proponent asking to compromise with just a few executions make it seem like I was disagreeing with death penalty opponents?
I used that example because I am personally opposed to the death penalty for that reason. No, I don’t want to compromise on the death penalty any more than I want to tolerate intolerance because both allow for worse and worse actions from the evil side.
It’s just a touchy subject right now, and it helps explaining yourself as much as possible before going into theory.
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I absolutely disagree with fascism, and am not here to argue about it. What I do want is to ask about a specific theory when talking about the implications of the paradox, which I understand, but want to start a meta-conversation about the deeper philosophy
Or something like that
Oh, I always associate those kind of intros with someone ‘just asking questions’. Reminds me of ‘not a racist, but…’
Dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t I guess.
Damned either way indeed. I think your original question was clear and people getting angry about it either have poor reading comprehension or critical thinking. Explaining yourself as much as possible before asking an innocent question is an undue burden that discourages people from learning more and is ultimately an ineffective defense against people who view others uncharitably by default.
There is a very easy solution to the problem but it requires the cuntservatives to kick the ‘freedom caucus’ to the curb.
Which won’t happen.
There is also a very hard solution that we needed to employ in Germany a few years back.
If the right doesn’t take the easy solution, we will have no choice but to take the hard.
I worry about the hard solution not being as straightforward as it used to be.
If the richest support the far right, it’s going to be one hell of a war.
Possibly, but I’d at least hope that some of the military wouldn’t support a fascist dictator. I mean its no guarantee but its still a hope.
That’s probably the worst example you can give.
Why is that the worst example?
Tolerance of intolerance breeds intolerance. It’s the ‘Nazi Bar’ scenario.
You run a bar. One day, a blatantly obvious Nazi comes in, be he keeps to himself and doesn’t bother anyone. A week later, he comes back but he has some Nazi friends with him. You notice some of your regular patrons get up and leave. Over time, the number of Nazis that show up to your bar increases while the number of regular customers dwindles to nothing. Without intending it, you now have a Nazi bar. If you’d have just kicked the first Nazi out, it wouldn’t have happened.
Yeah, I said I already knew.
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I live in middle Tennessee and I assure you the only reason they were there is because they didn’t friggin tell us they were. And I’m ridiculously disappointed I missed the opportunity to meet them.
UHaul truck?
Should have pulled it over and cited everyone in it for seatbelt violations, at least get a list of their names.
Theyve been riding around in uhauls for a few years now. They did arrest an uhaul full of patriot front members in Idaho a couple years back. But they all got charged with conspiracy to riot not lack of safety violations.
Guess the police have gotten so used to truck fulls of these idiots making appearances, they escort them out and just let em go…
Some of those who work forces…
Are we 100% sure it’s illegal to beat them on sight?
who cares about legality, lets talk about morality, it is 100% moral to punch a nazi and beat the tar out of them, it is also your duty to violate immoral laws, therefor its your duty to beat the tar out of nazis. no self respecting jury will convict…
Where’s Indiana Jones when you need him? Didn’t he take out a truck full of Nazis?
They have to pile into a u-haul cause a u-haul blocks them from glowing allover the place.
They kind of look like patriot front rebranded.
Yes, both groups have the same glow to them.
Temu nazis.
This is really starting to feel like “Man in the high castle”. Fuck Nazi’s
Republicans stopped them!
Right?
Republicans stopped them?
RIGHT?
And were followed to wherever they parked their mom’s cars, and were shot, thrown in a pile, and burned, as is customary with Nazis and Fascists right?
Sounds like self-defense to me.
They went back to the library where they work as janitors.
Here’s your downvote
What’s wrong with being a janitor?
Apart from the other issue of you insulting janitors, you’re also insulting libraries.
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Janitors perform a vital service that keeps society running, their jobs are important and good.
But I will never stop insulting cops, boarder agents, or prison guards. Their jobs do, in fact, make them worse than everyone else.
ah yes, glorification of violence.
But to answer your question: no, that would release too much fine dust into the atmosphere and damage the environment and therefore is illegal
Oh, so no burning then, compost it is. Good thinking, more sustainable!
I’m pretty alright with killing self-identified nazis.
I’m pretty alright with killing
yeah, go ahead, normalize political Violence. I am sure that totally won’t backfire and will totally not relevate political Violence by said Nazis /s
If someone holds a gun to the head of your child, and you shoot the person to protect your child, who in this situation is normalizing the violence?
Nobody said these were good Nazis.
If Inglorious Basterds taught us anything, it’s a big club. Burning works if you have a French cinema, though.
