Looks like someone took some shots at prez candidate Donald Trump at a rally in PA. From the videos I’ve seen, it looks like he did get grazed.
Half the comments here are proving that people on the right aren’t the only ones who can indulge in stupid conspiracy theories.
It’s depressing as fuck.
What I find sad is that either option is equally plausible. That’s how low we have sunk.
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0.01% chance based on what?
I think being unsure either way makes perfect sense. You gotta admit it doesn’t really line up with Trump’s character to be posing for the cameras if he’s actually being shot at. Though tou’re not wrong to say, that that isn’t proof of anything. It’s subjective feeling.
But, I think saying it’s entirely unlikely this was orchestrated isn’t right either.
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I’m not claiming anything. It’s just really, really early after the event.
My choice of words was not ideal, and I apologize for that.
I’m just saying being unsure of what happened isn’t crazy so soon after the event.
You’re out here saying what is and is not likely based on your own feelings about what you feel is true.
It’s simply too early to say anything definitive about what level of conspiracy existed (in the traditional sense, of more than one person, conspiring).
I am not saying this was staged. I’m saying you’re jumping the gun, to say so confidently it wasn’t.
I wonder what the chances are that Russia did this.
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The shooter was killed by Secret Service.
Very convenient.
I don’t disagree with you, but you completely missed my point.
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What’s worse is that the MAGA crowd has Trump and some other figures intentionally playing conspiracies up and adding weight to them. The guys on the left don’t even have the excuse of Biden and company bullshitting.
How do you know their political leanings?
On this topic as a whole, it’s also proving people on the left are in favor of gun violence…
And how! I love the irony tho.
Remind me how the Third Reich ended again, liberal?
How did the US become a country again?
How was North Koreas invasion of the south stopped?
Damn that’s crazy how every time fascism has been defeated in human history, it’s been through one singular method.
Guess I’m just gonna go vote.
Not every time at all. Franco, Salazar, and Pinochet were not defeated via guns.
Not like it really needs proving. When Marx writes about “revolution,” he means bloody, violent revolution.
Anyone advocating revolution needs guns to back it up or else they’re just full of hot air.
Antifascists have a long history of shooting Natzi.
Violence is necessary for revolutions to happen, the only way the far right stops its bullshit is by kicking their ass, see Punk scene with neo Nazis.
But why would you even think that people on the left are different from people on the right? This is why I’m not into politics myself. Because it all builds on some fake idea that one side is right about everything, even good people, while the other is wrong about everything, and probably are bad people as well.
In reality, both sides are very similar and have much more incommon with eachother than they have with the politicians they are trying to support.
My understanding is that on average there are differences in psychology between conservative and progressive people. For example, conservative people tend to be okay with unfairness, since from their point of view society is a hierarchy and of course the people at the top are better off.
Anyway, given that conservative and progressive people have a different vision of an ideal society and also different ideas about how to get there, it is reasonable to expect them at act differently. We know that most politically motivated violence is from the right.
I’m sure conservatives have the same views on the other side, something negative, based in fear. If you think about it, all of politics is fear of change in a direction we don’t want, but others do.
In a family when this happens, family members talk about it and try to understand eachother. At least in a good family. In a dysfunctional one, family members go to war with eachother. And that’s what I see in politics. There is no feeling of being humans on a ball together at all.
I was thinking the same thing
Just quid pro quo.
That’s blue maga for ya.
Based on what? Neither of you know who they support or which way they lean.
“blue maga” implies that there is a cult of personality around Biden like there is around Trump. That is simple not what anyone opposed to Trump believes in or rallies around.
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You mean the primarys for this election that Biden is the sitting president? Or primarys four years ago when he was the guy pushed immediately to the top before the primarys?
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So… When he was the top runner before the primarys.
What are you trying to say?
BlUe MaGa!!1!
Q-Anon level thinking that somehow Trump is a mastermind of this. The dude who can’t hide stolen files properly, can’t lie on his taxes properly, and loses money on a casino, somehow has the ability to rig a false flag assassination attempt.
Are NeoLibs that so far into the Kool-Aid that Dipshit Trump is also a grandmaster 5D chess player of this, while not being able to string words together? It’s not like he’s even been a good actor.
It’s fun to indulge in, and it doesn’t change the fact that shit is about to hit the fan, regardless of whether the shooter was someone with a legitimate desire or a paid gunman. Trump was just given and used a golden ticket to both rally republicans to vote for him, and to incite his diehard followers into another insurrection.
Sure, but I don’t think being an ironic conspiracy theorist on the levels of Q-Anon is going to make anyone seem better.
Trump was already going to do that. Trump would do it if someone sneezed on him. They already considered him a martyr. They already wanted/have an Enabling Act. The only thing this changes is a bit less blood in him, and 3 people died. Trump already had higher polling numbers.
Fascism is here. Get ready.
changes is a bit less blood in him
I admit I saw a red fluid on his face.
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It won’t make anyone here seem better, I agree. But at the same time, it’s not like we’re going to have the opportunity to joke around like this after the inevitable happens.
Enjoy life while you still can, you know?
Yeah there are some real idiots in this thread. Very depressing
It’s representative of the current state of this country honestly.
I’d imagine that there are a lot of rather confused individuals in a number of countries, and when tempers run high around politics…shrugs
I don’t know if the US would be particularly bad. Would need to have some kind of way to quantify that.
Trump isn’t even the mastermind of his own bowel movements. If this was staged it was all planned by his Russian handlers.
I am glad Russia has no experience whatsoever with this type of operations
Roger Stone would be my guess.
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It doesn’t take a mastermind. Dictators faking assassination attempts to garner support isn’t new.
“All right ear me big sniper guy, it’s going to be an attempted assassination, the biggest ever, you are going to shoot me close, like danger close but don’t worry I’m the best president, really I’m the best and you are the best sniper, the best sniper in the whole country. So you shoot me near the ear, near enough that blood comes out, I know scary stuff, but we are tough guys, the toughest so you do it and I resist and together we make the best attempted staged assassination ever”
- Shamelessly stolen from a blog
A “false flag assassination attempt” is not as hard to rig if you know it won’t be properly investigated.
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Your gullibility making you believe a conspiracy theory over your own eyes.
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Care to clarify? I can’t make sense of your comment.
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Ah, got it. You just misinterpreted my comment.
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You:
You are putting that conspiracy theory on the same level as any Qanon theory
This is false. Here’s what I said, “people on the right aren’t the only ones”
Like I said, you misinterpreted.
It’s a real shame…
The crowing will begin soon
C-span footage: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5123735/shots-fired-trump-rally
Where was Nikki Haley? She was in charge of security!
Well things are about to get a whole lot worse. That raised fist is going to be printed on all the right-wing crazy stuff and they will use this to justify violence against anyone opposing Trump.
With the supreme court ruling regarding official acts we have already reached the point where democracy is on its last breaths.
This is the time for escalation that people can’t ignore in favor of bickering over if the non fascist is old.
if only it was that easy
Jan 6 is going to look like pleasant stroll compared to what’s coming after this…
It was going to happen anyways eventually
pretty much. electoralism has never stopped fascism.
if bolsonaro is any indication, this is just turning him into a martyr.
really terrible job by whoever tried it.
This fucking shooter could set behind democracy in the US for dozens of years. Land the shots and you martyr him, miss and you galvanize his support. Seriously the conservatives were starting to shift away from the far right after Epstein documents and Project 2025. Now deep state wackos will NEVER go away and resort to crazier armed shit. Seeing people comment that the shooter ‘was so close’ is insane and makes them no better than political extremists.
Mr Trump could be seen ducking for cover behind the lectern.
I like attempted assassination victims that don’t duck for cover.
I wonder how much we’re going to hear about the poor person who got shot in the head right behind him, or if they’re just incidental margin notes in history, overshadowed by the big WWE media theater that is Trump. Reports are saying at least two crowd members have died.
Oh Trump will absolutely bring them up at every single rally to froth up the crowd. Because he may be the martyr they care about the most, but the martyrs who actually died will be great ammunition (I can’t think of a more appropriate word, sorry) to rile up the crowd.
That is assuming there is another rally, and today’s incident wasn’t just the catalyst for a Jan 6 sequel. Knowing his supporters, I’m not holding my breath, unfortunately.
Considering the number of people here claiming this was Trump staging a false flag, I am absolutely certain there are a similarly large number of people on the right saying this was Biden trying to assassinate Trump and something must be done. So I hope not.
Republicans have blamed Joe Biden for the attempted assassination tonight, accusing the president of whipping up opposition to Donald Trump.
JD Vance, who is one of the frontrunners to be Trump’s running mate, said: “Today is not just some isolated incident. The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs.”
“That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination,” he added.
Mike Collins, a Republican congressman from Georgia, said: “The Republican District Attorney in Butler County, PA, should immediately file charges against Joseph R. Biden for inciting an assassination.”
He also tweeted that Mr Biden “sent the orders”.
All I’m hearing is that they think Biden told the truth and used the power the Heritage Foundation SCOTUS explicitly gave him, and now they’re inexplicably butthurt about it.
Prosecuting the president for stochastic terrorism? That’s a precedent they really don’t want to set with Trump as their candidate.
That they are pushing it is evidence they don’t think they’ll have to follow the rule of law if they win.
That they are pushing it is evidence they don’t think they’ll have to follow the rule of law if they win.
They won’t. The Supreme Court already determined that.
Thats fine, isn’t Biden permitted to assassinate people while in office with immunity?
Unfortunately, the number is likely going to be a lot higher.
I’m pretty sure a lot of the people here are (or at least me) are being joking/sarcastic about the false flag conspiracy. For us Lemmings, there’s no emotional stake in these events, whereas his supporters will be angered over anyone even attempting to kill their fascist idol…
I’m pretty sure a lot of the people here are (or at least me) are being joking/sarcastic about the false flag conspiracy.
I’m not sure of that at all, especially when emotions are running high.
I’m not absolutely discounting the possibility they they somehow found some schlub to die in a fake assassination attempt, but I’m also not going to come up with conspiracy theories until there’s been some time to go over evidence and analyze the situation.
I’m also not going to come up with conspiracy theories until there’s been some time to go over evidence and analyze the situation.
Respect for that. It’s a reasonable and rational response to today’s series of events, despite the temptations of role-playing as a conspiracy theorist to escape from having to think about the hypothetical consequences of said events.
Knowing his supporters, I’m not holding my breath, unfortunately.
When you’re huffing your own farts so much, that isn’t a good idea.
Fascists love their “martyrs for the cause”.
I just hope they were crucial to Project 2025
They chose to go to a rally to support a man who wants to be a “dictator on day one” they made their choice.
Wasn’t one an eight year old?
It’ll take more than that to stop a Bull Moose!
I say we elect that one guy behind him who barely reacts at all
Honestly, they’re all so dead inside up there that I’m amazed any of them even flinched.
My gut tells me this is staged, but either way I’m scared as fuck that this is going to give him more power and make violence against others even worse.
From the article:
Trump stood up and held his fist in the air with what appeared to be blood dripping down his face.
Several secret service agents surrounded him as he put his hand up and appeared to shout “fight” to his supporters who began cheering.
Undoubtedly, this will incite his violent insurrectionist fan base into a repeat of Jan 6.
My first instinct is staged as well, only because he stands to benefit so much from it. Unfortunately.
This is what wins him the election.
This is what wins him the
electioninsurrection.FTFY. He called on his rabid supporters to “fight.” I think we all know what that means.
Several secret service agents surrounded him as he put his hand up and appeared to shout “fight” to his supporters who began cheering.
Yep. Many innocent people will die because of this.
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An antended at the rally and the shooter were killed per the AP
Yup.
As much as I hate to admit this, it wasn’t a fake shooting. The ‘acting’ was way too good to be faked. The mid-word ‘stung in the ear’ confusion slowly followed by the realization of what happened and the clumsy collapse to the ground are just too believable to think it wasn’t real. That said, whether it was a false flag or not is another story.
Either that shooter had some shit accuracy, or had excellent accuracy and scraped off just the right amount of skin that he was paid to remove.
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That image was after I heard security yell “shooter’s down”
I like candidates that don’t get shot at for being pieces of shit.
Won’t matter at this point. Even if it turns out to be faked. It won’t matter. His base is that fucking stupid. The idea has been planted and it doesn’t even have to be true.
This just got him elected.
There’s a lot of time, a lot can happen, but this just justified a lot of the nonsense narratives the right wing has been trying to push.
I really hope you’re wrong, but it certainly helps him.
a lot can happen
OK someone quick shoot at and near-miss Biden as well
I’ve never hoped to be wrong more I don’t think, but I fear now that the Cletus brigade is going to go on a fucking rampage.
Innocent lives are gong to be lost over this.
How is it possible that no one behind him is hit?
One interview with person at the rally, said there were 3 med-evac’s
Reports are coming in that at least one person was.
At least one rally attendee was killed:
Butler County District attorney told the Associated Press (AP) that a shooter was dead and that a rally attendee had also been killed.
