Rightio.
How is this antisemitism?
Imagine seeing a sign demanding ending a genocide and calling it antisemitic.
Imagine Jewish people 80 years ago seeing this.
I’m a Jewish person today. That sign is not antisemitic, it’s accurate.
I meant the response of the person in the screenshot. I am fully with the sign and do not consider myself antisemitic.
ETA: just realized that was posted by an actual (?) organization.
Yup, 100% with the sign. Last I checked, it’s not like in order to be Jewish you have to kill children, in fact I’m pretty sure the religious texts promote love and compassion. Therefore saying “I fucking hate child killers” is not synonymous with “I don’t like Jewish people” because that venn diagram is not a circle, and child killers and sponsors of genocide are not a religious group.
I’m on the opposite side of the world to the conflict, a large number of synagogues and Jewish groups in my country are flooding to social media to condemn the needless deaths, and speak out against the actions of both Israel and Hamas on how they have both decimated innocent lives. So I’m in agreement with my local Jewish community and support what they are doing, and I don’t see how that could be antisemitic.
Wait til you hear about the anti defamation league
Judaism is when you kill children, sweetie.
I mean, that’s pretty much what the Australian Jewish Association is implying here, isn’t it?
There are Jewish Muslims that live in Palestine. Would it not be antisemitic of Israel to a attack an area that houses Jews of any sect and faith?
Palestinians are semites. Judaism isn’t a race, it’s a religion.
Judaism is a religion, not a race. Plenty of people of the race commonly associated with Judsism who aren’t Jews. Like your average Palestinian.
Do you mean Jewish arabs? or Semitic Muslims maybe. Technically Semitic is a language group which includes arabic but like indo-european it can also refer to the people who originally used the dialect… bigotry fails at logic.
Jewish Muslims lol?
So I can be a Christian, Jewish , Muslim and a Buddhist all at one time ?
Yikes. I’ll stick to Atheism.
Cool, no one cares.
I think is way more antisemitic to try to relate the jewish people with that genocide
I don’t think anyone relates the Jewish people to that genocide, they relate the state of Israel to that genocide, because it does.
Clearly the Australian Jewish Association is relating Jewish people to genocide, otherwise they would not have called that statement by a shopkeeper in New Zeeland anti-semitic but would instead have said it to be anti-Israel.
They’re directly saying that being against this Genocide is being against Jews, which is most definitelly “relating Jewish people to that Genocide”
That’s the point they are making actually, that Jewish people that call for antisemitism in those cases like the Australian Jewish organization and tons of Israel supporters, by saying that being against genocide is antisemitic, they are saying that genocide is semitic, which is a very dangerous statement.
In my opinion, those that make such ludicrous statement are the antisemitic ones, for calling the Jewish religious group genocidal.
My understanding is that the person who originally called criticism of the Israel gov ‘antisemitism’ is the one equating Jewish people with the state of Israel
Is AJA a credible group? Or just some person trying to sound official?
No worse than the ADL for sure.
Antisemitism to Palestinian support is like misandry to feminism. Yeah, some people might be guilty of it (and those who are, misunderstand the latter ideologies), but it’s way overrepresented in opposing media, who is often guilty of such issues itself.
Aren’t Palestinians a semitic people?
That’s an invalid (strikethrough: dictionary) etymology argument, and you know it. To clarify, when I said “antisemitism” I meant “a discriminatory attitude towards Jews” or something along those lines.
Edit: this is an etymology argument, not a dictionary one; most dictionaries probably agree with me. I don’t know how or why the word
antisemitismcame to be used to refer to Jews specifically, but surely it’s been this way for most of its history.
Either way, the most authoritative meaning of a word is that which was intended by the one who uttered it.Nice comeback and so civil as well. I wish I could do that.
Yes but anti-semitism has been co-opted to apply only to Jews (erasure of millions of other semitic people, that is, people who speak a semitic language other than Hebrew) just like the Holocaust has come to mean only the Jewish victims of Nazi genocide, which is erasure of the 5 million other victims in the various groups that were killed by Nazis.
Also “Stop Killing Children” or “Demand a Ceasefire Now” aren’t “pro-Palestinian” messages, they’re anti-killing messages.
Just because the children being killed happen to be Palestinian doesn’t make that a pro-Palestinian message. It can be a general message that is applicable to whoever’s children happen to be getting killed right now.
If someone says “stop the attacks on civilians now”, how do you even know if they’re talking about Gaza, Ukraine or both?
I’d argue that if they put up a Palestinian flag, it’s clear that Palestine is being referred to.
In principle, though, I agree with your first point
Sure, they’re referring to Palestine in this case. But, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re fully “pro-Palestine”. They’re undoubtedly pro Palestinian kids. But, that doesn’t mean that they side with Palestine over Israel in the general case.
Well they should… If You or they know the history of Israel
Serious question.
I have never bombed any children. Am I antisemitic?
Do you ever intend to?
That answer depends on how likely I am to be put on a list…
I think that answer puts you on a list
…well, shit.
It certainly is someones’ shit-list.
It’s the thought that counts
I was planning on deliberately starving some Palestinian children to death or possibly cutting power to a NICU in a Palestinian hospital.
Does that count?
Congrats, you are now one of the good guys
I’m glad to join the Children of the Light.
Heaven awaits!
“It’s a complex situation, I guess we’ll never get to the bottom of this…”
Unserious answer:
If you haven’t murdered and maimed entire families you are literally Hitler.
I have never bombed any children
Reported for antisemitism.
You joke but someone did actually do that. Report was dismisses though
And as a Jewish person, I can vouch for this not being antisemitic. Jew does not equal Israeli or vice-versa. This is an Israeli genocide.
Maybe safer to say Zionists
State of Israel was literally founded ( and Palestinian land taken/stolen) by Zionists.
I love the internet sometimes.
When you plaster this shit on Jewish-owned businesses ya that’s anti semitic.
Jews≠Israel so boycotting Jewish owned businesses because you’re angry at what Israel is doing is antisemitic. Jews are not a monolith. This is like targeting Chinese owned businesess with COVID conspiracies.
Y’all reactionaries are honestly just as dumb as MAGAts.
Antisemitism = against jews, jews ≠ israel -> something against israel = antisemitism… whatever…
Bro,
The signs are on the inside of the window.
What he has written is some weird stream of consciousness stuff.
You having a stroke, mate?
What makes you think it’s plastered onto the business and not put up by the business-owners themselves?
Because this is Prochem Pharmacy in Avondale, Auckland. It’s Jewish owned.
What is your problem, exactly?
You know jewish can also share the same sentiment right?
Right?
Are you going to apologize for making such a blatantly false claim? Or nah?
Dude, can you at least do a bit of research first before clutching your pearls?
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Now they’re hacking social profiles too!
These Anti-Semites are so powerful.
Bet he won’t respond after this lol.
Fucking savage.
Ha ha ha ha a least they sell burn cream 😂
What’s yours? Are you suggesting Jewish folks can’t stand against Israel?
Seems like you’re doing exactly what you’re accusing others of, here?
So it’s Jewish owned and you automatically assume that this never could have been put up by the owner because he’s Jewish and of course has to support Israel? That’s quite a bigoted conclusion of you.
I got a surprise for you, there’s quite a bit of Jews actively speaking out against Israel current bombings of civilians.
Thinking that all Jewish people support the Palestinian genocide is the actual anti-semite attitude.
On a first sight it looks legit. I can’t find a website, but there is a “Prochem Pharmacy Avondale” facebook page. Since january 2022 it advertises products sold there, give aways and such. It could be that it does that longer and facebook just doesn’t show me all as a visitor without an account, not sure. The profile picture literally says “Free Palestine - End the occupation”.
It is indeed possible that that’s a big false flag effort, but so far I have no reason to belief that.
You sound like a pro-genocide jew.
There are plenty of anti-genocide jews.
So proof that you have no idea what you’re talking about has been posted. Are you going to acknowledge it or just continue spreading anti-Palestine propaganda?
That means it’s a Jewish owned business, but doesn’t inform us whether or not the owners put up these signs (rather neatly).
To me, it looks like they’re on the inside of the glass. So that’s a pretty decent signal.
It’s put up from the inside… did the antisemites walk in, moved the blinds, taped the messages, then put the blinds back?
These antisemites are getting smarter everyday. They hid the poster from the owners themselves who are obviously supporting their country committing genocide as every Jew should.
There can be Jews that are not Zionist? This business is Jewish owned, sure, but maybe they don’t support the genocide of children.
Jews aren’t a monolith but they didn’t put it up themselves because “they’re tight-knit”
I would argue that the stance of “Jewish people think it’s antisemitic to advocate for Palestinian civilians” is in fact actually antisemitic.
…which is by far the most-logical conclusion?
I think the message of this post is pretty clear: it refers to simple fact that legitimate criticism of the actions of the state of Israel is quite often and often quite deliberately dismissed as anti-Semitism. That is ridiculous. There is nothing anti-Semitic about criticizing a state for its criminal actions. What is even more ridiculous is the attempt to even try and silence Jews who criticize the state of Israel with crude concepts such as Jewish self-hatred. This is not about religion, but about the rejection of crimes against humanity, for which not a religious community but a sovereign state is responsible.
😂
He ran away.
Is that what’s happening here though? I don’t have any context for this and there’s no obvious tell (that I could find) that the business is Jewish-owned and that it wasn’t put up by the owner, just looks like a small business taking an anti-genocide stance to me.
If the context is what you’re saying though, that’s fucked. Jews deserve blame for the actions of the extremists running the Israeli state the way Christians deserve blame for the actions of MAGA - these fascist groups don’t represent the religion or the people they’re just wearing it as a hat.
EDIT: To the reader: I should have read farther, another reply chain provides context that
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this is in fact a Jewish-owned business, and
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this specific Jewish-owned business has expressed a pro-Palestine stance on its Facebook account (specifically, its pfp is a palestine flag overlaid with a raised fist encircled by the words “Free Palestine End The Occupation”).
It seems very unlikely that this is a targeted act of hate, and PerogiBoi should be ashamed of themself for inventing a narrative out of whole cloth based on one factual detail and then proceeding to decry everyone else as “reactionary”.
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Ah yes, murder, famously opposed by anti-semites
Zionism is antisemitic
Get this political crap outa here.
Only on Lemmy
No
I think they have real estate in the occupied Palestine? Every dead palestine child = one apartment more for them? Yes they think in 30 year circles.
Thankfully, here, hate comments by the creator are also deleted. Zat is honorable, so I address it as well. Everyone with property should think in 30-year cycles. So here as well. That’s how colonialism works. You take the land for free. And that creates value for you. I became skeptical soon after the Gaza Strip was sealed off. None from the IDF went in. Instead, sealing off and while the bombs fell for weeks: parties, selfies. Who paid for the bombs? Wasn’t the hostage situation urgent? Also, pay attention: starvation is much worse. Especially for the children. Lasting damage. If the Palestinians are now displaced. Who will bear the cost for them? Do some research yourself. Then it’s like a slap in the face, what’s going on here.
Oy fucking vey!
Don’t you know antisemitism means just anything Jews disagree with
At least that is how they treat that word now
Not Jews, a jew. People are individuals
Weird, because I’m a Jew and I don’t feel that way about people who disagree with me. Nor does any other Jew I know.
