Rightio.
When you plaster this shit on Jewish-owned businesses ya that’s anti semitic.
Jews≠Israel so boycotting Jewish owned businesses because you’re angry at what Israel is doing is antisemitic. Jews are not a monolith. This is like targeting Chinese owned businesess with COVID conspiracies.
Y’all reactionaries are honestly just as dumb as MAGAts.
😂
He ran away.
You having a stroke, mate?
What makes you think it’s plastered onto the business and not put up by the business-owners themselves?
…which is by far the most-logical conclusion?
Because this is Prochem Pharmacy in Avondale, Auckland. It’s Jewish owned.
What is your problem, exactly?
So proof that you have no idea what you’re talking about has been posted. Are you going to acknowledge it or just continue spreading anti-Palestine propaganda?
What’s yours? Are you suggesting Jewish folks can’t stand against Israel?
Seems like you’re doing exactly what you’re accusing others of, here?
There can be Jews that are not Zionist? This business is Jewish owned, sure, but maybe they don’t support the genocide of children.
That means it’s a Jewish owned business, but doesn’t inform us whether or not the owners put up these signs (rather neatly).
To me, it looks like they’re on the inside of the glass. So that’s a pretty decent signal.
Jews aren’t a monolith but they didn’t put it up themselves because “they’re tight-knit”
It’s put up from the inside… did the antisemites walk in, moved the blinds, taped the messages, then put the blinds back?
These antisemites are getting smarter everyday. They hid the poster from the owners themselves who are obviously supporting their country committing genocide as every Jew should.
You know jewish can also share the same sentiment right?
Right?
Dude, can you at least do a bit of research first before clutching your pearls?
Ha ha ha ha a least they sell burn cream 😂
Bet he won’t respond after this lol.
Fucking savage.
Now they’re hacking social profiles too!
These Anti-Semites are so powerful.
Ooof, burn 🔥
So it’s Jewish owned and you automatically assume that this never could have been put up by the owner because he’s Jewish and of course has to support Israel? That’s quite a bigoted conclusion of you.
I got a surprise for you, there’s quite a bit of Jews actively speaking out against Israel current bombings of civilians.
Thinking that all Jewish people support the Palestinian genocide is the actual anti-semite attitude.
On a first sight it looks legit. I can’t find a website, but there is a “Prochem Pharmacy Avondale” facebook page. Since january 2022 it advertises products sold there, give aways and such. It could be that it does that longer and facebook just doesn’t show me all as a visitor without an account, not sure. The profile picture literally says “Free Palestine - End the occupation”.
It is indeed possible that that’s a big false flag effort, but so far I have no reason to belief that.
I would argue that the stance of “Jewish people think it’s antisemitic to advocate for Palestinian civilians” is in fact actually antisemitic.
Are you going to apologize for making such a blatantly false claim? Or nah?
You sound like a pro-genocide jew.
There are plenty of anti-genocide jews.
Antisemitism = against jews, jews ≠ israel -> something against israel = antisemitism… whatever…
I think the message of this post is pretty clear: it refers to simple fact that legitimate criticism of the actions of the state of Israel is quite often and often quite deliberately dismissed as anti-Semitism. That is ridiculous. There is nothing anti-Semitic about criticizing a state for its criminal actions. What is even more ridiculous is the attempt to even try and silence Jews who criticize the state of Israel with crude concepts such as Jewish self-hatred. This is not about religion, but about the rejection of crimes against humanity, for which not a religious community but a sovereign state is responsible.
Bro,
The signs are on the inside of the window.
What he has written is some weird stream of consciousness stuff.
Is that what’s happening here though? I don’t have any context for this and there’s no obvious tell (that I could find) that the business is Jewish-owned and that it wasn’t put up by the owner, just looks like a small business taking an anti-genocide stance to me.
If the context is what you’re saying though, that’s fucked. Jews deserve blame for the actions of the extremists running the Israeli state the way Christians deserve blame for the actions of MAGA - these fascist groups don’t represent the religion or the people they’re just wearing it as a hat.
EDIT: To the reader: I should have read farther, another reply chain provides context that
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this is in fact a Jewish-owned business, and
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this specific Jewish-owned business has expressed a pro-Palestine stance on its Facebook account (specifically, its pfp is a palestine flag overlaid with a raised fist encircled by the words “Free Palestine End The Occupation”).
It seems very unlikely that this is a targeted act of hate, and PerogiBoi should be ashamed of themself for inventing a narrative out of whole cloth based on one factual detail and then proceeding to decry everyone else as “reactionary”.
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Is it the time we apologise to hitler? 💀
What an awful shitty thing to say. Some of the biggest opponents of the genocide are Jewish. And the biggest supporters and beneficiaries of Zionism are western industries trying to make money off of the region.
Stop being a racist shit blaming minorities for something that’s outside their control.
Well you should visit some of the jews groups in telegram and see for yourself how they are making fun of children being killed. I’m not saying every jews are Zionist but every Zionist are jews. So take your modern day moral and shove it up deep in your arse where no one can see it
Those evil Ashkenazis…smh
Now, I realize Israel and it’s people have had a long and storied history of being persecuted by others, however, there’s a limit to how far you can stretch that sort of “woe is us” pity when the modern history of the country most representative of modern Judaism – at least, that’s how I kind of thought of it, a sort of “Jewish Vatican/Mecca”, correct me if I’m wrong as I’m not Jewish – will be recorded as not only actively engaged in committing such terrible acts (no matter the enemy), but is proud of it. I could see them trying to deny or “deny” it, you know, pay these IDF atrocities lip-service and give commanders a light finger-wag, that sort of thing. It’s the Israeli government after all, anyone who thinks they don’t have a massive intelligence apparatus shaping opinions at home and abroad is a fool – but for so many to be as proud of it as they are, god. I should be over this by now, but it’s just… upsetting. Make no mistake, the acts they commit today will be written about in the history textbooks, and they will be used to justify further future antisemitism – anyone who doesn’t fear another Adolf Hitler hasn’t been paying attention to the fucking news. This cycle of hate shouldn’t continue, and yet I see no end in sight.
Israel is not representative of modern Judiasm. It’s representative of modern settler colonialism. There are a lot of Jews who have opposed the existence of Israel since the idea of Zionism came up. Don’t conflate Judiasm with colonialism in it’s name.
The problem is that the Israeli government itself deliberately conflates itself/Zionism with Judiasm as a whole specifically so they can screech “antisemitism!!!” at every single criticism they receive regardless of whether or not is valid.
This is not only bullshit, but also actively undermines progress against actual antisemitism elsewhere by poisoning the signal-to-noise ratio by perpetually being the Boy Who Cried Wolf.
For anyone non-Jewish looking for a scrap of perspective on the matter, remember after 9/11 when every response from every conservative about every overtly shady thing they did was to parrot, “Why do you hate America???” It’s pretty much the same idea.
Exactly.
Great if you believe that, but how many other people do? How do you think it will change things in the eyes of all the far-right parties on the rise today?
They won’t care.
The far-right simultaneously aligns with Israel and uses it to fuel their antisemitism. They don’t care about facts or the truth because their only focus is power. That’s why it’s so critical to always call out the fact that Israel does not represent Jews.
It is critical to call out the contradictions of Israel so that people who do care about facts are not as easily fooled by the far-right.
Yes it does, religion is the driver of this. Don’t give the religion a pass, it considers that whole area part of the original lands belonging to Jews, and won’t stop until the Jewish kingdom is restored.
Don’t try and make this secular is not.
That’s Zionism, not Judiasm. They are not the same things.
There’s literally Yiddish songs making fun of Zionism as an idea. Most early Zionists were secular.
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Yiddish songs making fun of Zionism as an idea
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That’s Zionism, not Judiasm. They are not the same things.
There’s literally Yiddish songs making fun of Zionism as an idea. Most early Zionists were secular and were directly opposed by religious Jews.
Ffs, there are a ton of interviews with rabbis calling for a cease fire or even an end to Israel. Jewish Voice for Peace has been consistently vocal in their opposition to Israeli apartheid.
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That’s antisemitic talk.
It’s anti-semitic to ask you to stop killing children who lived their whole lives unable to leave their borders and were not even born when Hamas was “elected” in their reigon?
Is it anti-semitism to advocate to stop a “war” which you waged against a besieged province inside your country which you are controlling their water, electricity, food, fuel, and all natural resources, and starving amd killing and crippling for all life children and women who are over %70 of the victims?
As a kid I attended a Jewish day school, and we had a year long class on European-Jewish history through the Holocaust.
The post screenshotted (allegedly from the AGA) reads almost like it came right out of that era as a piece of anti-semetic propoganda.
Seriously. Weather the post was actually from the AGA, or an anti-semetic propogandist, it is 100% blood libel, and should treated as such.
Australian Jewish Association is a fucked up group of fucked up people. Opposing things they say is anti-idiocy.
Antisemitism to Palestinian support is like misandry to feminism. Yeah, some people might be guilty of it (and those who are, misunderstand the latter ideologies), but it’s way overrepresented in opposing media, who is often guilty of such issues itself.
Also “Stop Killing Children” or “Demand a Ceasefire Now” aren’t “pro-Palestinian” messages, they’re anti-killing messages.
Just because the children being killed happen to be Palestinian doesn’t make that a pro-Palestinian message. It can be a general message that is applicable to whoever’s children happen to be getting killed right now.
If someone says “stop the attacks on civilians now”, how do you even know if they’re talking about Gaza, Ukraine or both?
I’d argue that if they put up a Palestinian flag, it’s clear that Palestine is being referred to.
In principle, though, I agree with your first point
Sure, they’re referring to Palestine in this case. But, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re fully “pro-Palestine”. They’re undoubtedly pro Palestinian kids. But, that doesn’t mean that they side with Palestine over Israel in the general case.
Well they should… If You or they know the history of Israel
Aren’t Palestinians a semitic people?
Yes but anti-semitism has been co-opted to apply only to Jews (erasure of millions of other semitic people, that is, people who speak a semitic language other than Hebrew) just like the Holocaust has come to mean only the Jewish victims of Nazi genocide, which is erasure of the 5 million other victims in the various groups that were killed by Nazis.
That’s an invalid (strikethrough: dictionary) etymology argument, and you know it. To clarify, when I said “antisemitism” I meant “a discriminatory attitude towards Jews” or something along those lines.
Edit: this is an etymology argument, not a dictionary one; most dictionaries probably agree with me. I don’t know how or why the word
antisemitismcame to be used to refer to Jews specifically, but surely it’s been this way for most of its history.
Either way, the most authoritative meaning of a word is that which was intended by the one who uttered it.Nice comeback and so civil as well. I wish I could do that.
Is this bait? It sure feels like bait.
Serious question.
I have never bombed any children. Am I antisemitic?
Unserious answer:
If you haven’t murdered and maimed entire families you are literally Hitler.
I have never bombed any children
Reported for antisemitism.
You joke but someone did actually do that. Report was dismisses though
And as a Jewish person, I can vouch for this not being antisemitic. Jew does not equal Israeli or vice-versa. This is an Israeli genocide.
Maybe safer to say Zionists
State of Israel was literally founded ( and Palestinian land taken/stolen) by Zionists.
I love the internet sometimes.
Do you ever intend to?
I was planning on deliberately starving some Palestinian children to death or possibly cutting power to a NICU in a Palestinian hospital.
Does that count?
Heaven awaits!
Congrats, you are now one of the good guys
I’m glad to join the Children of the Light.
“It’s a complex situation, I guess we’ll never get to the bottom of this…”
It’s the thought that counts
That answer depends on how likely I am to be put on a list…
I think that answer puts you on a list
…well, shit.
It certainly is someones’ shit-list.
Ah yes, murder, famously opposed by anti-semites
Zionism is antisemitic
There are Jewish Muslims that live in Palestine. Would it not be antisemitic of Israel to a attack an area that houses Jews of any sect and faith?
Palestinians are semites. Judaism isn’t a race, it’s a religion.
Do you mean Jewish arabs? or Semitic Muslims maybe. Technically Semitic is a language group which includes arabic but like indo-european it can also refer to the people who originally used the dialect… bigotry fails at logic.
Jewish Muslims lol?
So I can be a Christian, Jewish , Muslim and a Buddhist all at one time ?
Yikes. I’ll stick to Atheism.
Cool, no one cares.
Judaism is a religion, not a race. Plenty of people of the race commonly associated with Judsism who aren’t Jews. Like your average Palestinian.
I think is way more antisemitic to try to relate the jewish people with that genocide
I don’t think anyone relates the Jewish people to that genocide, they relate the state of Israel to that genocide, because it does.
Clearly the Australian Jewish Association is relating Jewish people to genocide, otherwise they would not have called that statement by a shopkeeper in New Zeeland anti-semitic but would instead have said it to be anti-Israel.
They’re directly saying that being against this Genocide is being against Jews, which is most definitelly “relating Jewish people to that Genocide”
My understanding is that the person who originally called criticism of the Israel gov ‘antisemitism’ is the one equating Jewish people with the state of Israel
That’s the point they are making actually, that Jewish people that call for antisemitism in those cases like the Australian Jewish organization and tons of Israel supporters, by saying that being against genocide is antisemitic, they are saying that genocide is semitic, which is a very dangerous statement.
In my opinion, those that make such ludicrous statement are the antisemitic ones, for calling the Jewish religious group genocidal.
How is this antisemitism?
