Right now, on Stack Overflow, Luigi Magione’s account has been renamed. Despite having fruitfully contributed to the network he is stripped of his name and his account is now known as “user4616250”.

This appears to violate the creative commons license under which Stack Overflow content is posted.

When the author asked about this:

As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question. Of course, they did draft a letter which credited the action to other events that occurred weeks before where I merely upvoted contributions from Luigi and bountied a few of his questions.

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      Can’t have a “terrorist” demonstrating his competence and productivity after all.

      The overlords know they’ve really fucked up when the competent, productive people start getting resentful and side-eyeing the system.

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        True, although it may also be “good things” done by person do not outweigh “bad thing” done by person. I’m sure there’s a name for that.
        Like human experimentation. Yes, bad, shouldn’t be done, outright illegal, immoral, inhumane, but has been done. Should we discard the scientific results?

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          There should be efforts to duplicate the results in an ethical way, the lack of rigorous ethics indicates biases. If you tortured a guy for research, did you also do less bad things like falsify results?

          The Stanford prison experiment is a good example, afaik they published in several journals and I don’t believe any of them have printed retractions. There are huge problems with the methodology that are still being discussed, and the results are still being referenced.

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        Don’t worry everyone, the new President is going to rename the Gulf of Mexico and annex Greenland, so that will take care of it!

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    The second amendment means I am my own chief executive and commander in chief of my own military. I authorize my own act of self-defense in response to a hostile entity making war on me and my family. Nelson Mandela says no form of viooence can be excused. Camus says it’s all the same, whether you live or die or have a cup of coffee. MLK says violence never brings permanent peace. Gandhi says that non-violence is the mightiest power available to mankind. That’s who they tell you are heroes. That’s who our revolutionaries are. Yet is that not capitalistic? Non-violence keeps the system working at full speed ahead. What did it get us. Look in the mirror. They want us to be non-violent, so that they can grow fat off the blood they take from us. The only way out is through. Not all of us will make it. Each of us is our own chief executive. You have to decide what you will tolerate. In Gladiator 1 Maximus cuts into the military tattoo that identifies him as part of the roman legion. His friend asks “Is that the sign of your god?” As Maximus carves deeper into his own flesh, as his own blood drips down his skin, Maximus smiles and nods yes. The tattoo represents the emperor, who is god. The god emperor has made himself part of Maximus’s own flesh. The only way to destroy the emperor is to destroy himself. Maximus smiles through the pain because he knows it is worth it. These might be my last words. I don’t know when they will come for me. I will resist them at any cost. That’s why I smile through the pain. They diagnosed my mother with severe neuropathy when she was forty-one years old. She said it started ten years before that with burning sensations in her feet and occasional sharp stabbing pains. At first the pain would last a few moments, then fade to tingling, then numbness, then fade to nothing a few days later. The first time the pain came she ignored it. Then it came a couple times a year and she ignored it. Then every couple months. Then a couple times a month. Then a couple times a week. At that point by the time the tingling faded to numbness, the pain would start, and the discomfort was constant. At that point even going from the couch to the kitchen to make her own lunch became a major endeavor She started with ibuprofen, until the stomach aches and acid reflux made her switch to acetaminophen. Then the headaches and barely sleeping made her switch back to ibuprofen. The first doctor said it was psychosomatic. Nothing was wrong. She needed to relax, destress, sleep more. The second doctor said it was a compressed nerve in her spine. She needed back surgery. It would cost $180,000. Recovery would be six months minimum before walking again. Twelve months for full potential recovery, and she would never lift more than ten pounds of weight again. The third doctor performed a Nerve Conduction Study, Electromyography, MRI, and blood tests. Each test cost $800 to $1200. She hit the $6000 deductible of her UnitedHealthcare plan in October. Then the doctor went on vacation, and my mother wasn’t able to resume tests until January when her deductible reset. The tests showed severe neuropathy. The $180,000 surgery would have had no effect. They prescribed opioids for the pain. At first the pain relief was worth the price of constant mental fog and constipation. She didn’t tell me about that until later. All I remember is we took a trip for the first time in years, when she drove me to Monterey to go to the aquarium. I saw an otter in real life, swimming on its back. We left at 7am and listened to Green Day on the four-hour car ride. Over time, the opioids stopped working. They made her MORE sensitive to pain, and she felt withdrawal symptoms after just two or three hours. Then gabapentin. By now the pain was so bad she couldn’t exercise, which compounded the weight gain from the slowed metabolic rate and hormonal shifts. And it barely helped the pain, and made her so fatigued she would go an entire day without getting out of bed. Then Corticosteroids. Which didn’t even work. The pain was so bad I would hear my mother wake up in the night screaming in pain. I would run into her room, asking if she’s OK. Eventually I stopped getting up. She’d yell out anguished shrieks of wordless pain or the word “fuck” stretched and distended to its limits. I’d turn over and go back to sleep. All of this while they bled us dry with follow-up appointment after follow-up appointment, specialist consultations, and more imagine scans. Each appointment was promised to be fully covered, until the insurance claims were delayed and denied. Allopathic medicine did nothing to help my mother’s suffering. Yet it is the foundation of our entire society. My mother told me that on a good day the nerve pain was like her legs were immersed in ice water. On a bad day it felt like her legs were clamped in a machine shop vice, screwed down to where the cranks stopped turning, then crushed further until her ankle bones sprintered and cracked to accommodate the tightening clamp. She had more bad days than good. My mother crawled to the bathroom on her hands and knees. I slept in the living room to create more distance from her cries in the night. I still woke up, and still went back to sleep. Back then I thought there was nothing I could do. The high copays made consistent treatment impossible. New treatments were denied as “not medically necessary.” Old treatments didn’t work, and still put us out for thousands of dollars. UnitedHealthcare limited specialist consultations to twice a year. Then they refused to cover advanced imaging, which the specialists required for an appointment. Prior authorizations took weeks, then months. UnitedHealthcare constantly changed their claim filing procedure. They said my mother’s doctor needed to fax his notes. Then UnitedHealthcare said they did not save faxed patient correspondence, and required a hardcopy of the doctor’s typed notes to be mailed. Then they said they never received the notes. They were unable to approve the claim until they had received and filed the notes. They promised coverage, and broke their word to my mother. With every delay, my anger surged. With every denial, I wanted to throw the doctor through the glass wall of their hospital waiting room. But it wasn’t them. It wasn’t the doctors, the receptionists, administrators, pharmacists, imaging technicians, or anyone we ever met. It was UnitedHealthcare. People are dying. Evil has become institutionalized. Corporations make billions of dollars off the pain, suffering, death, and anguished cries in the night of millions of Americans. We entered into an agreement for healthcare with a legally binding contract that promised care commensurate with our insurance payments and medical needs. Then UnitedHealthcare changes the rules to suit their own profits. They think they make the rules, and think that because it’s legal that no one can punish them. They think there’s no one out there who will stop them. Now my own chronic back pain wakes me in the night, screaming in pain. I sought out another type of healing that showed me the real antidote to what ails us. I bide my time, saving the last of my strength to strike my final blows. All extractors must be forced to swallow the bitter pain they deal out to millions. As our own chief executives, it’s our obligation to make our own lives better. First and foremost, we must seek to improve our own circumstances and defend ourselves. As we do so, our actions have ripple effects that can improve the lives of others. Rules exist between two individuals, in a network that covers the entire earth. Some of these rules are written down. Some of these rules emerge from natural respect between two individuals. Some of these rules are defined in physical laws, like the properties of gravity, magnetism or the potential energy stored in the chemical bonds of potassium nitrate. No single document better encapsulates the belief that all people are equal in fundamental worth and moral status and the frameworks for fostering collective well-being than the US constitution. Writing a rule down makes it into a law. I don’t give a fuck about the law. Law means nothing. What does matter is following the guidance of our own logic and what we learn from those before us to maximize our own well-being, which will then maximize the well-being of our loved ones and community. That’s where UnitedHealthcare went wrong. They violated their contract with my mother, with me, and tens of millions of other Americans. This threat to my own health, my family’s health, and the health of our country’s people requires me to respond with an act of war. END

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    Stack Overflow has been toxic for a long time already. It’s one of the things that a lot of people seem pleased to see AI devour.

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      I’ve read it is still well valued because people will keep asking questions there when LLM can’t answer, so they remain a precious source of post LLM curated Q&A.

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          Yeah, AI has become good enough at this point that you can provide it with a large blob of context material - such as API documentation, source code, etc. - and then have it come up with its own questions and answers about it to create a corpus of “synthetic data” to train on. And you can fine-tune the synthetic data to fit the format and style that you want, such as telling it not to be snarky or passive-aggressive or whatever.

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                No, they can only take from things in their models.

                Moreover, all of them use statistics, typically Bayesian, to get the results. What you get from an LLM is essentially an average* of the model data. This is why feeding LLM output into a model is so toxic, it’s already the average.

                • Yes I know it’s not really the average, but for laymen us good enough comparison.
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                  They only take from the statistical distributions of words in the context of preceding words (which is why they never say “the the” etc, why the grammar is nearly always correct). But that doesn’t mean that whole sentences are lifted from the source material. There are near infinite paths through those word distributions, and many have never been produced by humans, so LLMs do produce sentences that have never been uttered before.

                  They couldn’t produce new conceptual context spaces in the way that humans can sometimes, but they can produce new combinations within existing context spaces.

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              And yet the synthetic training data works, and models trained on it continue scoring higher on the benchmarks than ones trained on raw Internet data. Claim what you want about it, the results speak louder.

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                This is the peak, though. They require new data to get better but most of the available new data is adulterated with AI slop. Once they start eating themselves it’s over.

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                  You are speaking of “model collapse”, I take it? That doesn’t happen in the real world with properly generated and curated synthetic data. Model collapse has only been demonstrated in highly artificial circumstances where many generations of model were “bred” exclusively on the outputs of previous generations, without the sort of curation and blend of additional new data that real-world models are trained with.

                  There is no sign that we are at “the peak” of AI development yet.

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                  Nah, I’m still giving that one to the blockchain. LLMs are going to be useful for a while, but Ethereum still hasn’t figured out a real use, and they’re the only ones that haven’t given up and moved fully into coin gambling.

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          Until it’s just AIs answering questions asked by other AIs while human admins block human accounts…

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          To be honest, I had a bad experience a few years ago when I wanted to try contributing, and I never tried again. Yet, I think it’s really hard to strike a balance of freedom and constrains for organically curated Q&A, so I try not to be too fast on judging them considering the service that they indubitably provided to millions of people.

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    “No wars but class wars” as true today as when Trotsky said it many decades ago. Not sure how anyone cannot see this very, very clear fact. But every other commoner that sees it needs to take according measures.

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    As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question.

    Laws mean nothing anymore. Therefore licenses mean nothing. Therefore ownership means nothing, and “theft” no longer exists.

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      I managed to convince my brother in law by using the wrongful death case of Kanokporn Tangsuan as an example. Framed it as his moral responsibility to never sign up for any digital media ever again since he has a family. I pointed him to a few resources to sail the high seas and he’s got his high seas pc hooked up to his TV and cancelled all his subscriptions. I’m so proud.

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        In my experience it’s usually the magats who are the ones defending asshole and/or immoral behavior by pointing out that the offender is acting within the bounds of the law or within their legal rights.

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          Idk, I feel like Luigi Mangione being a phrase not allowed on Stack Overflow just makes sense. Good policy.

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          No their isn’t.

          Stack Overflow is privately owned by Prosus. You have certain limited rights to the content they host but they do not have the obligation to keep the content up and they even have user terms that every account agrees to: especially for moderation.

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            If they’d just removed his content outright, I would agree with you. But if they’ve left his content up without attribution, that does violate the CC agreement, of which they are upheld by.

            I mean, it’s still a small copyright violation who the proprietor of is a bit preoccupied to do anything about, so uh…this whole thing is quite dumb.

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              Idk if usernames count as “attribution”, even, but I assume the results would be the same if an account was named Jeremy Assface, Ted Bundy, or Adolf Hitler even if the user’s actual name was such. Not to compare Luigi to any of those people, no, but the point is usernames are moderated.

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                usernames are the only form of attribution that makes sense and has ever been used (aside from email, which is again practically a username)

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      Therefore ownership means nothing, and “theft” no longer exists.

      WOAH WOAH WOAH… hold on there Circuitfarmer (checks clipboard) It says here you’re not nearly affluent enough to circumvent the law… we’ll be keeping a close eye on you… --BB

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    On Stack Exchange, all of the contributions on the site are contributed under a license maintained by a third party called Creative Commons […] the work remains properly attributed.

    This is the main issue IMO

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      “Censorship forced me to flee a pro-nazi site to another pro-nazi site,” is a contradiction worth noting. It highlights the general pro-nazi vibe going around big tech.

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        The internet just isn’t fun anymore. Right wing bigots are stomping around and the best communities are all either crumbling or raising their bridges and filling their motes so AI can’t scrape them and these asshats can’t get in, killing the ability for new people to find them. And who can blame them? They want to protect their communities from very real threats.

        The internet is Balkanizing and it’s to our collective detriment.

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        There’s plenty of leftists, too. But the leftists threaten capital, and fascists don’t, so only one is being targeted/censored.

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          Corporate fascists need the muscle that the stormtroopers can provide in exchange for the loot they pillage.

          That’s what we are seeing with the last 10-15 years resurgence of the alt-rights grift.

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            Capitalists were always going to embrace fascism in the face of rising leftist movements and increasing inequality. Communist theorists predicted over a hundred years ago, and it’s been playing out exactly as they said it would.

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            It’s less a resurgence and more that they’ve transitioned from AM talk radio/cable news to youtube, podcast platforms, and social media.

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                Not to be too “WELL AKSHOOOALEEE” I just think people - myself included - got used to how relatively quiet things felt in the mid 2010’s and didn’t realize this shift was happening.

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                  I got you. You and I, brother - for a moment there it seemed anything was possible, but I guess the John Birch Society never went away.

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        I know I am. I’m so sick of this system they’ve created and perpetuated for decades/centuries. I just want to live my fucking life without worrying about basic needs, or how someone with most can take even more from those who have little. Americans have more guns per capita than almost anywhere else. Those are guns in the hands of the people, not mercs or armies or private security. They should be afraid of us. They should be checking their car’s undercarriage daily before getting in. They should vary their routes daily to avoid patterns. They should see every person on the street as a potential assassin. Only THEN, will anything about these parasites’ attitudes change.

        Unfortunately, so many with the skills to engage in revolution are aligned with the interests of these corporate leeches, and thus are fighting the masses, instead of standing with them. They wanted a Civil War #2, it’s time to kick up, not down!

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          Most gun owners are biggest bootlickers out there… They didn’t get weapons to fight corporate tyranny, they got them to shoot poor people they don’t like

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            Actually, they got them to shoot gun-wielding home invaders who threaten (if not attempt to murder) their family members.

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      That’s not what the article is about. Stack Overflow has kept content that Luigi created up, but removed his username, in violation of Creative Commons. Edited the post to make that more clear.

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        If they weren’t afraid of what he represents they wouldn’t have removed his name.

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            I doubt before. They’re still hoping they can erase or villainize him. I expect the news media will ignore his trial in favor of whatever antics Trump or Musk are up to, and we won’t hear much about him until there’s a guilty verdict they can parade before the masses in order to dissuade them from copying him. If he does get mentioned, they’ll be trying to frame him in as negative a light as possible and downplay his motives. I also expect the big social media will censor discussion under the guise of not promoting violence, or simply shadow ban any mention of him.

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          Yeah exactly. And they’re not allowed to under the Creative Commons licence

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              This is the equivalent of a bank robber standing in a vault, filling his bag full of jewels. One of the hostages yelling “You can’t do this, it’s illegal.” Some other guy yells “…and yet…” minutes before police sirens can be heard outside.

              I look forward to Mangiine catching wind of this, which is basically theft, and adding it to the laundry list of things to be tried in court.

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      Fucking terrified. I’ve never seen corpos circle their wagons like this before. It’s hilarious.

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    Is there a mirror for Stacks content? I’ve been concerned for some time that they are a vital resource that a corporation could ruin at any moment.

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      You can download pretty much all of stackoverflow as ZIM files for self-hosting.

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        I’ve looked into this but they aren’t exactly small, it’s not a straightforward operation for even the average developer or systems engineer to restore these into a working format.

        I was thinking we need something along the lines of a read only public mirror run by the proper open source community - e.g. SourceForge or a major Linux project… ISP’s and universities offer mirrors of Linux packages so this could be a resource offered in the same vein. That’s my line of thinking as far as a StackOverflow mirror goes anyway!

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          Of course they aren’t small, but they are probably as small as it gets, since they are pretty efficiently compressed. I am not sure what you mean by

          it’s not a straightforward operation for even the average developer or systems engineer to restore these into a working format

          since it is really trivial to use them. Just load them with Kiwix and serve them as a website. It doesn’t get much easier than that.

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            I was referring to the file size being the barrier. The 2024 large database size of 202GB is prohibitive for the average person’s resource capabilities. i.e. I have a home VPS host and I don’t even have that much free space. Your cloud operating costs would also go up with the storage and bandwidth use.

            There’s also two separate issues I was kinda mixing up. I’m a developer who uses StackOverflow and would like to use a resource that is readily available. I think it’d take a few hours to setup even a smaller copy of SO, which isn’t ideal for answering a quick question. I also don’t want to setup a whole mirror site with custom work just for myself and because I’m paranoid Microsoft miight buy them and paywall SO overnight or something.

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              I looked into doing something similar with Winipedia and the recommendation is also to use Kiwix, and the offline file size is also very large.

              Welcome to the collapse! Hoarding “clean data” for personal use is like hoarding clean water and food: you need a place to keep it, and it starts going stale the minute you shelve it. So either buy a digital bunker to load up with what you need or ask the all knowing AI gods for answers like the other poors.

              Also the Stack Exchange software used to be open source, surely there’s still a fork somewhere. You could certainly run your own Developer QA site, but like with Lemmy, the problem then is getting enough traffic to be able to productively tap into the collective wisdom.

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                I’m hoping community efforts are able to fill the void. I fear having to do this all myself and becoming some kind of Mad Max style tinkerer after the fall…

                Old phones daisy changed together to act as a server… The remnants of StarLink for internet, getting nazi/rape threats from the remaining social media AI that live in all the satellites…

                It would be nice if government backed up Wikipedia and SO. But considering they don’t give a shit about Linux which is arguably one of the most vital technical infrastructure projects of our lifetime…

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              When hosting this locally, I don’t see how 200 GB is much of an issue. Storage is so cheap these days, if you want to host it locally, just buy a 256 GB SSD just for that data for $20. Anyway, you were asking for a mirror, to which I replied with the information about the ZIM files. I don’t really understand the issue. Stackoverflow just isn’t that small, there is not much you can do about that.

              I think it’d take a few hours to setup even a smaller copy of SO, which isn’t ideal for answering a quick question.

              The download? Maybe, depends on your Internet connection’s speed. Actually serving it as a website certainly doesn’t take hours. It is rather a matter of seconds.

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          I’ve looked into this but they aren’t exactly small

          Neither is SO’s content.

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    user4616250 will now be a famous meme. “How do we fix healthcare? We call user4616250.”

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      Do not forget me user4616250

      Look down, look down You’ll always be a slave Look down, look down You’re standing in your grave

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        "He knew that man was me Without a second glance! That Micky Ds employee spotted me The crime stoppers bounty is his chance!

        Why should I try to hide? Why should I go unkown When I have come so far And struggled for so long?

        If I speak, I am condemned. If I stay silent, they have won!

        I am the ceo slayer that got away. They all are looking at me. How can I abandon them? How would they live If I am not free?

        If I speak, I am condemned. If I stay silent, I am damned!

        Who am I? Should not this wage slave benefit Pretend I do not feel his agony This innocent who can be set free

        Who else should face their judgment Who am I? Can I conceal myself for evermore? Pretend I am the man I was before? And hide my crime until I die

        Be no more than an alibi? Must I lie?

        How can I ever face my fellow men? How can I ever face myself again? My fate belongs to capitlism, I know I made that bargain long ago I gave them hope when hope was gone I gave them strength to journey on

        [He appears in front of the court]

        Who am I? Who am I? I’m Luigi!

        [He unbuttons his shirt to reveal the scares of a botched surgery]

        And so UHC, you see it’s true This man bears no more guilt than you! Who am I?

        user4616250!

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          Nice and catchy, but it needs to be catchy with more digits. Tommy “Tutone” Heath is still alive. I’m just saying.

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        “calling user 461-62-50, he’s our dude, what he does is nifty!” :)

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              Luigi, Luigi, who can I turn to?
              You give me something I can hold onto!
              Things can’t stay the way that they were before
              It’s time to put some villains up on the wall!

              Luigi I got your number!
              I think it’s hero time!
              Luigi don’t change your number!

              Four six one six two five oh!
              Four six one six two five oh!
              Four six one six two five oh!
              Four six one six two five oh!

              Luigi Luigi you’re the guy for me
              Oh, you don’t know me but you make me so happy. I tried to free you but I lost my nerve. I said “nullification” but I got censored

              Luigi I got your number. I think it’s hero time. Luigi don’t change your number

              Four six one six two five oh!
              Four six one six two five oh!
              Four six one six two five oh!
              Four six one six two five oh!

              I got it (I got it) I got it
              Put those assholes on the wall!
              I got it (I got it) I got it
              For the good of, for the good of us all!

              Luigi, Luigi who can we turn to
              (Four six one six two five oh)
              To know our pain, we can always turn to you. (Four six one six two five oh)

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    I cross posted this to Hacker News (which is very pro-CEO and big corpo) and it’s now rank 1 on the front page, lmao. People really support this guy

    (And it’s funny because in the comments, people are seething “Nooooo he’s not popular, look at these polls that show he has 13% approval!!”)

    (Not sharing link to avoid brigade)