Nice! We will be independent of Google and Microsoft!

Pretty poor response using that biased definition.

You’re too weak to be vegan.

Well said! Thank you for being vegan and standing up for what’s right!

The same meat eaters who say “respect my choices and stop judging me” while they childishly go out of their way to say “your vegan food looks sad”

Them taking my money and buying animal products would be my last straw, I would not let them buy groceries with my hard earned money ever again and would be seriously reconsidering my relationship.

How are the corporations and governments going to change if one person doesn’t commit the first action of doing better and inspiring others to do the same. As people buy animal products in grocery stores and people vote in carnist political parties.

The liberal feverdream of individual solutions for structural problems is bound to end up in “I buy good groceries”.

And, eventhough veganism is a good thing to do, this is why l’m personally so annoyed by vegan communities.

That’s a strawman because if you were paying attention you would notice that vegans are doing street outreach, disruptive protests and factory farm liberation to save the animal victims from immense suffering. They’re not simply buying “good groceries”

Universal suffrage, abolition and gay marriage didn’t just suddenly came out of thin air because corporations and governments decided to become nicer no it was it was the unsurmountable pressure by the people protesting for better treatment for all.

some vegans on Lemmy were calling for withholding necessary nutrition to pets

That is misrepresenting the situation as synthetic taurine, B12 and vitamin A can be provided in a plant-based diet through the form of reputable kibble brands.

Sources:

-https://sustainablepetfood.info/

-https://www.magonlinelibrary.com/doi/abs/10.12968/vetn.2022.13.6.252

-https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0253292

-https://www.mdpi.com/2306-7381/10/1/52

-https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0284132

-https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S240584402411609X

-https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/6/9/57

I’m only disputing your claim that the “vegan diet is expensive.”

Claiming the vegan diet is expensive when a comprehensive study by Oxford on the topic says otherwise necessitates reexamining the claim.

Exploiting and murdering animals is unethical full stop.

(or the money) to be a vegan.

That’s an urban myth as the whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper and it’s only the prepackaged supermarket vegan alternatives that are more expensive on average.

There are several products that are more expensive in any diet like waygu steak or decades old wine.

Oxford University research has today revealed that, in countries such as the US, the UK, Australia and across Western Europe, adopting a vegan, vegetarian, or flexitarian diet could slash your food bill by up to one-third.

Source

You don’t need those animal products for nothing. As most doctors are carnists and do not fully understand nutrition because they have not studied the topic much in their training.

The objective of this article is to present to physicians an update on plant-based diets. Concerns about the rising cost of health care are being voiced nationwide, even as unhealthy lifestyles are contributing to the spread of obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease. For these reasons, physicians looking for cost-effective interventions to improve health outcomes are becoming more involved in helping their patients adopt healthier lifestyles. Healthy eating may be best achieved with a plant-based diet, which we define as a regimen that encourages whole, plant-based foods and discourages meats, dairy products, and eggs as well as all refined and processed foods. We present a case study as an example of the potential health benefits of such a diet. Research shows that plant-based diets are cost-effective, low-risk interventions that may lower body mass index, blood pressure, HbA1C, and cholesterol levels. They may also reduce the number of medications needed to treat chronic diseases and lower ischemic heart disease mortality rates. Physicians should consider recommending a plant-based diet to all their patients, especially those with high blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, or obesity.

Source

Hurting others in “the options” is morally wrong.

Stop being uncivil.

No shooting someone is not humane.

There are other ways to manage populations without subjecting animals to cruelty…

Eating a whole food plant-based diet is not complicated at all as you just need to eat a variety of foods and supplement b12 and vitamin d.

Plant-based diets are full of fruits, vegetables and legumes, with little or no meat or other animal products. In research studies, vegans, people who don’t eat any animal products, including fish, dairy or eggs, appeared to have the lowest rates of cancer of any diet.

Mayo Clinic

It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. Vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements.

Journal of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics

force their beliefs on others

Carnism is forcing animals to be exploited and murdered.

Zelensky deserves better than these hosers

I did ask a loaded question. But harming animals when we don’t need to is the uncivilized part here.

You’re trolling today.

Now resorting to ad hominems. Someone is acting uncivil.

That’s for yourself.

Well, it’s not funny to me.

You got the “skinny boy to pair with your strawman clip” attempting to make it normalized to treat vegans poorly. You need to be more mature than that.

You wouldn’t say the same thing about a baked potato, so why are vegan alternatives without the animal abuse automatically seen as bad? As more options is always good to have.

If I was behind those two, I would apologize for their rude behaviour and ask for 3 samples with a smile.