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“We are raising funds to support a critical legal defense in the fight against unchecked corporate power and a system that continues to favor the few over everyone else. This case isn’t just about one individual—it’s about challenging a status quo that protects the interest of the powerful at the expense of justice and fairness,” read one of the fundraising pages that was quickly removed by GoFundMe.
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During the Great Depression, people were so angry at banks that they rooted for bank robbers. Things are so bad now that we’re just straight up rooting for cold-blooded executions. Censoring people’s online activities won’t make this anger go away. The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
OR…they raise premiums to pay for more security.
I mean, I’m sure they will, but I doubt it will make a difference. Trump almost got it twice this summer. He’s only alive because he was incredibly lucky the first time, and the second time, the shooter was incompetent. Meanwhile, in the last 25 years, schools have added metal detectors, more police, active shooter drills, and bullet-proof walls, but it’s only amounted to security theater. I’m sure there will never be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a 5-day manhunt, but there are too many guns in America to prevent a guy with a death wish from gunning down a CEO or billionaire.
The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
I don’t expect radical changes. I expect them to make the minimal concessions they believe to be enough to make people just happy enough to not depose more CEOs
I actually don’t expect CEOs and billionaires to make any concessions. Honestly, this is how I imagine the next few years going:
Right now, billionaires are waking up to the fact that the majority of Americans want them dead. CEOs will start beefing up security while politicians and pundits try to spin this, and they’ll all hope this was a one-off. It won’t be. Sure, there probably won’t be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a five day manhunt, but there will surely be a guy with an AR-15 who takes out billionaire or CEO before getting gunned down himself by cops or private security.
Billionaires will start lobbying for protections from Congress, probably through special treatment from federal law enforcement and a push for gun control. This will only further enrage the public, who have faced mass shootings in schools and churches without any response. On top of that, the Trump administration is gearing up for an era of naked corruption, which is going to make the billionaire class even less popular
All in all, I think we’re heading towards a period of political instability and violence. Maybe it will end with public rage being channeled into a series of reforms like FDR managed with the New Deal. Maybe we’ll devolve even further into oligarchy and authoritarianism as American society collapses. Either way, I think there will be radical change.
Anyway, that’s my theory. Maybe I’m wrong, and this will be a blip, but I don’t think so. This feels like a very different, very significant moment.
That’d still be helpful, last time they gave us “Just enough to put down the pitchforks.”
That was the “New Deal”
Like that’s ever gonna happen. There are and will always be boot lickers that’ll do anything for money.
It’s a real shame they all end up in congress too.
One ended up working on a McDonalds. Fucking traitor
They get put there don’t just end in a position of power
Billionaires deserve to live in fear.
“In fear” are the key words here.
If I stole hundreds of dollars from people in my town and my name was public information, I’d be scared shitless.
Billionaires steal millions and not just in dollars. The way I see it, Luigi took out a serial killer, not a businessman.
I would like to remind everyone that while I do wish the worst for billionaires, I do not legally condone violence of any kind. I will however smile if I hear about bad things happening to bad people.
No they don’t.
Deserve to live I mean.
I will not elaborate further.
Nah they deserve to live, as a treaf. Plus I want to see what happens to person when you pour lemon juice into their open chest cavity while theyre awake.
Billionaires should not exist. Tax them out of existence. If they don’t exist, they won’t be vigilante targets.
Being poor is a fate worse then death for a billionaire.
All the more reason to make them poor.
It shouldn’t just be a cap either. Net worth topping $1B should just be a reset button. Automatic bankruptcy. It should be something to actively fear and avoid, not just a score to max out.
Yeah, billionaires! We’re just trying to help you!
Like how banks became institutions dedicated to the public good following the Depression?
More like how FDR used the banks’ need for government assistance to force regulation on them through the 1933 Banking Act and the Glass-Steagall Act.
The Glass-Steagall Act that was repealed and now banks are more out-of-control than ever?
Yes, proof that reforming capitalism is wasted effort. You can only delay end stage capitalism reforms, not prevent it.
Yes. A decade after it was repealed, we had the largest financial collapse since it was enacted, and now we’re dealing with higher income inequality than we had during the Gilded Age. What part of this is meant to invalidate my point?
I’m refuting the idea that fanservice leads to lasting institutional change.
The fact that we’re in the shotter because the change didn’t stick kinda proves my point.
Well, A) the point isn’t that, “fan service,” created this change. It’s that people’s willingness to side with outlaws over institutions is a good barometer of public anger, and based on the United Healthcare killing, people are fucking pissed. B) FDR passed banking reform and social welfare programs that created decades of economic stability and only lost their efficacy after half a century of conservative attacks chipped away at them. I’m not sure why you think a historical example of the sort of fundamental, radical change in talking about doesn’t count just because the Baby Boomers fucked it all up.
Reddit just banned me for saying I support Luigi in his monster slaying quest and hope there’s more heroes out there.
Say, what’s the Lemmy policy on being real?
I mean that’s literally a call to violence. Fuck Reddit but this is not an example of them being terrible. You’re straight up asking for bans with that kind of comment.
Is it? I am indeed happy that CEO died. He deserved it. Fuck him.
Is Lemmy basically just Reddit Junior then? No real improvements to freedom of speech? More moderators being over zealous and deleting posts and banning people left and right and controlling the narrative? I don’t really know what this place is all about I guess. I’m not like super hateful or anything but I’m not going to pretend I’m on the side of monsters who ruin the world for profit. I fit in beautifully on Reddit circa 2008.
Looks like TikTok is the only place you can actually be a real mother fucker and my country is shutting that down soon. What a bummer.
On tiktok youre a real motherf🐈er lmao
Lemmy is just the software that runs on various instances (servers) that all talk together.
I like to think Lemmy is the multiverse version of Reddit. Don’t like your instance and admins? Join a new instance.
Thank you. I was told by another user to try an anarchist instance. It’s not like I’m some hate-monger or even at all abrasive. I’d just like to see the kind of freedom we had on Reddit in 2008 where the community is allowed to moderate itself outside of some obvious exceptions. We didn’t know how good we had it then. Peak days of online discussion.
I have genuinely started to dislike the internet as a whole in the last couple of years, where everyone is trying to be "familiar-friendly " and “corporate-friendly” like wtf? Even I’ve got enough shadow bans on me(especially on the ones by google) that I’ve almost got a strange gut reaction when using a swear word, to stop and consider if it’s going to get me banned. But atleast I’d be able to say what I want. Even then, I’m just so much more happy that I can type out long-ass 10 page rants and it would not be considered a spam, just because of being long on reddit and eternity. Also, fuck lemmy world mods for censorship.
Lemmy world isn’t a government and you don’t want completely unrestricted speech on forums dude.
Maybe you don’t, but I do…
CP is speech. You want CP?
You didn’t say “I’m glad he’s dead.” You called Luigi a hero and called for other heroes to go kill more people. That’s very different.
Yup, here’s hoping. With a little luck, some would-be mass shooters will also hopefully reconsider their objectives after seeing how much love Luigi is getting and at least go out doing something positive for society instead of shooting innocent people. School shootings are so 1998 and real virgin behavior.
You’re missing the point. You were incredulous at being banned. I explained why. Now you’re saying “yes I did that.” So that’s why you were banned. Advocating for violence/murder.
Do you get it?
Yes, I 100% know why I was banned by a corporate website that abandoned the policy of free speech they were founded on years ago. I don’t care. I’m done playing nice and thinking and saying what I’m “supposed to.” Fuck these people and all who lick their boots.
My question is what is Lemmy about? Can I say I’m glad that CEO got shot and I hope it becomes a new positive trend in the world here? Cause that’s my honest take, and it’s been so refreshing to see that it’s the predominant take among friends, family, and coworkers in the real world as well. We think Luigi is just great.
Pretty sure it’s a by-server or by-community basis, but I’ve seen nothing but support for him on here
There are various actors trying to least descalate the support and others who painted him as murder esp starting today.
They are mirroring fake news arguments to split the support. Their play here depends on their ability to do so.
Fever has died down too.
He is already cooked from their perspective but I still don’t buy he was in fact the guy who pulled the trigger
I’ve seen some people try to say he was a Far-Right loon who had a shrine to the messiah himself, Jordan Peterson.
I saw a laughably bad article on MSN that basically said “Won’t someone think of the billionaires and ban video games before someone kills again? This guy played Among Us ya know!”
You guys use MSN?
Lol, I had a website I must use to do some adult bullshit today, and it would not work with my normal browser security policies. So I used a completely blank browser with no privacy settings just to do this one thing. I opened up a basic chrome window and was greeted with a bunch of ads. The one at the top was apparently trying to make Husk more relatable to the pheasants.
Elon Musk’s Ex-Wife Says He Forgot To Buy Her A Christmas Gift - But When He Realized, He Walked Barefoot In A Snowstorm To Find Flowers
Benzinga
This is how I imagine most people engage with MSN style garbage.
It depends on the instance. I just left Lemmy.World because of their euro- centric pro-censorship stance of educating people on the existence and explanation of jury nullification.
That’s what I’m on since I’m not really too well read on Lemmy yet and it was the most popular. Any suggestions for a good instance that can be readily joined where we have some semblance of freedom of speech? I mean, I’m far from a terribly hateful person but I’m not going to pretend I’m upset when a bad person dies, and I also like discussing internet piracy and such. I just wish for Reddit circa 2008. Heh.
I‘m a piracy fan and I‘m on dbzer0 instance as it‘s an offshoot of r/piracy. I barely post and lurk more, so I don‘t really know how they‘d moderate on the Luigi situation. The owner seems to be an anarchist and historically anarchist action wasn‘t all peaceful, most anarchists seem to support a “diversity of tactics” one of which is violence. Which makes sense to me, it’s like self defense cause what Americans are dealing with here is structural violence and what looks like zero hope for change.
We very much support deny, delay depose policy
Violence is very unfortunately the only way the world ever changes substantially. We deify our own nations’ founders as legendary revolutionaries when they used violence as their primary tool. We understand why the French had their revolution. We root for the anti-heroes in films. But then I’m supposed to be silent when I see somebody finally taking action in a meaningful way against some greedy sociopathic pig? I’m supposed to be okay with platforms silencing me and telling me I’m wrong for thinking this way after decades of being beaten down by these types?
Well, I’m not upset that CEO is dead. I like it. I hope somebody guns down another every week. Gives me a rock hard justice boner. And if speaking like this gets me banned from online social media then maybe it’s for the best. Spend way too much time on it anyways. Haha.
IMO – you can’t go wrong picking something obscure, or something you just llthink sounds cool, or anything for whatever reason. If it doesn’t work out, switching isn’t a big deal, unless you plan on cultivating a following. I’m ok with nuking my profiles and starting fresh. I chose my instance because I thought the name sounded cool. I haven’t been disappointed. I still regularly hear from a bunch of instances .world, .ml, dbzero, or whatever.
Attention all Luigi supporters!
Lemmy.world’s policy is to remove comments and posts that advocate for violence. And imprisonment is a violent act. If you see a post on lemmy.world advocating for Luigi’s imprisonment, report it and leave a comment explaining how it advocates for violence.
That’s some old bullshit
Telling people that jury nullification exists isn’t a problem, I’ve done that ad nauseam on .world. The problem is connecting it to calls for violence, as a way of encouraging people to cross that line.
then I’ll just read books and shit.
That’s how I use the toilet!
Depends on the instance, I hear LemmyWorld doesn’t really like it.
I wonder if he has a Zelle
Dont get scammed…
Once you find a proper place, use crypto.
If you don’t know how to do any of this. Stop. Learn. Then come back.
Seriously! When I think of not getting scammed I immediately think of all my crypto
lol. Jk. I for sure don’t understand it, tho I can see it’s value, personally
Is this is the stupidest advice I’ve ever seen? Maybe not “drink bleach” bad I suppose but still - this is pretty stupid. Well done I suppose.
Not getting scammed is a bad advice?
Hmmm
that is the part you thought I was talking about when “use crypto” is right there?
I doubt regime will permit USD to be used;)
Congrats - you one-upped your original comment.
Please tell us where the bad word hurt you, boy
Wikileaks would have been destroyed without crypto.
The resistance of state oppression is one of crypto’s primary purposes.
lol so when you pull your money out you’re immediately marked by the Feds? Crypto isn’t magic dude, in fact it’s extremely traceable. Only scammers want you to believe it isn’t.
I doubt USD will be permitted for donations here lol
Just don’t waste your fucking money unless you know what you are doing.
Any idea how we can add to his canteen fund?
After he is arraigned (first appearance before a judge) AND assuming bail is set in an amount he cannot pay AND that he his held in Rikers (HUGE safety concerns) you can look him up here and then send money for commissary and sometimes pay bail.
https://a073-ils-web.nyc.gov/inmatelookup/pages/home/home.jsf
I believe you must provide personally identifying information to send money/pay. There is no guarantee that the City won’t try to find a way to seize money sent.
Aaaand book marked. If there is no justice then at least he will never go a day without his favorite ramen.
Yeah, Rikers isn’t secure enough to keep out a corpo hitman, even if all the prisoners are on his side.
Why would they want to off this kid.
We all know why he did this, it isn’t a secret that insurance companies are paying evil. If anything killing him now will rally more people to his cause.
They will just re-write history as they did with Guy Fawkes and have us singing songs as though he was a bad guy and not someone who wanted to rock the establishment.
Why would they want to off this kid.
So that he can’t be tried and found non-guilty. So that he wouldn’t spread dangerous ideas. So that he pays for his transgressions.
I don’t know what could be their reasoning, but I would expect them wanting to off him behind the scenes rather than await for the trial results.
The consistent creation of fundraising pages of Mangione follows the macabre reaction much of the public has had to the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
More like the perfectly reasonable reaction.
They either can’t see what’s going on, or they can’t admit it in case it encourages solidarity among the poors.
Libs would literally rather see 1000000 poor people killed than one rich guy who’s responsible for it.
I mean, the vast majority of poor and uneducated voted for Privatized Healthcare, so that’s not really true. Plus, Luigi wasn’t exactly poor, he worked in the tech industry.
Working in the tech industry isn’t enough money to be immune from worries health care costs. A bad injury or illness can rack up hundreds of thousands or even millions in bills.
A kid who’s been out of school for a few years could maybe have made a few hundred thousand. There are rare unicorns that might get totally insane compensation right out of school but I doubt there are many 26 year olds getting 1 million+ total compensation in tech.
Anyway, making a few hundred thousand a year isn’t poor but when you’re looking at healthcare, political influence or the legal system, that money most certainly isn’t rich.
He’s from a rich family. He went to a $40k/year all-boys private high school and was valedictorian.
Is being valedictorian a proof of financial situation? Genuine question.
Not proof but high grades are definitely correlated with family income.
The danger is that those less well-off people who are currently supporting privatized healthcare will see actions like this, hear the conversations around it, and figure out what the real issue is, unless the media obfuscates it with spin.
And this guy may have been fairly well off (his family apparently are wealthy). But he doesn’t have to be poor to get people thinking and talking.
A friend of mine had a very well paying job in tech. Then she had a major injury. Without money paid by her well off parents she would have died. Insurance was stingy as hell.
Cool cool cool, so she wasn’t really poor.
Ok, so now instead of ‘eat the rich’ we’re going ‘eat everyone except for the absolute poor’, right?
I’m just saying the image most people have of Luigi Mangione is pure fiction.
The rich should always have been afraid, but that is besides the point that the best possible outcome for all of us is to become real political activists and help elect people who will bring about real change without encouraging violence in the streets. Or at the very least have some way to organize to the point of actually agreeing on which targets are greenlit, but that’s basically impossible. Just yesterday I saw some kid talk about offing the Funko Pop CEO for taking down Itch Io, another dude advocating arson on a McDonalds in the mall.
With this best outcome I agree, it would be nice if there were less violence, not more.
I was working in tech when I became disabled. I wasn’t rich and I would have become homeless if I didn’t have a partner’s income to fall back on.
Tech isn’t some magical gold mine.
He had a masters in Computer Science from University of Pennsylvania (Ivy League, founded before the USA), graduated a private high school as valedictorian, and prosecutors are claiming he was carrying $10,000 in cash when he was arrested.
Tech was a magical gold mine to this kid, but rich parents didn’t hurt either.
I thought it was Engineering, not CompSci? (Not that it really changes anything about the point)
Yup sorry, Masters in Science and Engineering, Bachelors in Comp Sci
You don’t know that. His grandfather was wealthy. He’s one of, IIRC, 37 grandchildren. That doesn’t mean he is wealthy. Yes, much more privileged than most of us, but that doesn’t mean he was rolling in cash. Even if he was, so what? He was still fighting against an unjust system.
And he disputed in court that that cash was his–notably, while not disputing that the gun was his. I’ll trust an average person over a cop trying to get a big win any day. They plant plenty of false evidence.
$10,000 would be a weird thing to plant, nobody would have questioned Cocaine. That’s more money than most people his age have ever had in savings total.
It’s not that weird if you think about it. They could be trying to portray him as a flight risk since he also had his passport.
One might also want to consider the possibility that this is not the shooter or he is a patsy. Not that you shouldn’t support them in any of these cases. Just be aware as this [word like shitshow but that doesn’t do it justice] develops.
The blue maga conspiracy theories begin!
Pretty sure this one crosses ideological boundaries and has support with standard MAGAts as well.
This. The guy in the thumbnail is now the face of anti establishment and the subject of desire by thousands, regardless of whether he did it or not. It’s a different guy.
What’s crazy is that Trump and vance could read the room and drastically change the US forever by using the hate that people have for insurance companies to dismantle their influence.
But instead these crooks are going to enrich themselves and leave office (maybe) dismantling and hurting the people that voted them into office. As bad as 2016-2020 was, I think it’ll pail in comparison to how bad things will get. If you aren’t putting money away towards your 401k, do it now. Because rebuilding healthcare, housing, education, and other crucial regulatory functions of the government is going to take a long time. Especially if we lose any liberal USSC judges. It will be harrowing for the poor and middle class. More so if you are a person of color, lgbtq, or any ethnic minority.
No it won’t. It will pale in comparison.
As we all know, they aren’t even in the room. They exist on another floor of the building. One with air conditioning. They could give us air conditioning, but it’s more fun to make us blame each other for it being so hot.
A community effort to send in handwritten checks is probably the safer bet. If his public defender is worth anything (unlikely), they’ll try to use the public support to hire a stronger legal defense team.
We’ve been here before with wikileaks. I believe there’s a certain electronic solution that many of us discovered around that time.
he should make a patreon page to support his art.
I know it’s off-topic but your instance’s name makes me feel uneasy.
I get that a lot. I just like what originalucifer wrote in the about and faq. If I did not already have a handle I have been having fun with for awhile I would make one inspired by his.
Somebody should create a page for Green Mario. might fly under the radar until some snitch squeals.
He is from a wealthy family… Until you see something formal. Don’t waste your money.
Did they allow Rittenhouse to use GoFundMe?
Surely, Luigi is innocent until proven guilty too.
Just checked on that because I was curious. Looks like they only allowed fundraising for Rittenhouse once he had been acquitted.
Rittenhouse is still a murderer, you can’t change my mind.
Pro-tip: It’s not self-defense if you started the fight.
Thanks. Looks like there are more right wing places people can donate. Who would have thought I would be willing to use such a site.
When you’re only targeting poor people, they let you do it. You can kill anyone.
No, they didn’t. This is the part where you realize cheering on control of one side will come back to bite your side eventually. Now the only path he’ll have are those conservative-based fundraiser sites. Funny how that works out
One side? Luigi is a right winger, likely, or at least a libertarian.
We are all working class.
Have you read the details on his family? He is very much not. But anyone willing to stand with the working class is welcome.
That was misinformation meant to turn us against him.
Don’t care, we have the same class interests.
Eh? I never cheered anything on. If anything I would want all sides to be treated equally. Either you’re allowed to open a fund me for criminal defence or you’re not.
I don’t choose what I support based on my political leaning and I think anybody that does is a dishonest person.
Edit: I was merely asking a question as I recall funds being raised for Rittenhouse, I just didn’t recall which site.
This guy doesn’t need a GoFundMe.
He could start an Only fans where he talked about his ideas with his shirt off and he’d be set for life, or at least until Nintendo sued him off the Internet.
I’d pay for that.
One of his ideas is that people are watching too much porn and not having enough sex
I’d agree with that.
Source?
Damn, hes got me figured out
I volunteer to pay him a conjugal visit.
Yeah, so just the shirt.
He can fuck my girlfriend any time she wants it.
I’d watch it if he was 1000% into the actual content and NEVER mentioned not wearing a shirt.
This just my house clothes
Real talk: do people just go nude/semi-nude at home on the regular? I had no idea.
In the summer…? Sure, no point in putting anything on if you aren’t going out.
and it saves energy by using less A/C!
Shirtless with maybe some boxer shorts is pretty common, particularly in hotter climates
good.
Bootlicker
naw, not my type of fetish, im more into licking other things
Why good? Genuinely curious.
Do you only support murder if it’s systemic and done in the interests of shareholders?
i don’t support murder at all.
Glad the scale tips the other way.
what does this mean?
Fair, even if I think it’s a little naive.
Say, a man is going to go and murder an entire city and to stop him you must kill him. You’re saying you wouldn’t support that and would be happy for a whole city to die instead?
So your saying the CEO of United healthcare murdered people? Then he should of been charged. People should not be Judge Dredd.
I am saying the system he helped caused people to die that did not need to die. I am saying it causes untold suffering to their families and friends.
It seems to me that systemic suffering is fine as long as shareholder value is increased.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
- JFK
I live my life similar to Luigi, although to a lesser extent. In that I don’t let things like the law dictate what I will and will not do, more that I will weigh up the pros and cons of a particular action. When a person doesn’t believe the world is being run morally we will go off our own morals of what we believe is right and I truly believe the world would be a better place if certain people were not in it anymore. If you can kill 1 person and it improves the lives of say 100 people , then have at it and kill that sob.
If you were in a room with Hitler before he came to power and you some how knew what he would go on to do, are you saying you wouldn’t have killed him?
Would i Kill Hitler? no, because i am not one to take someone’s life. I don’t think anyone has that right. and if it’s committed, they will be tried in court and thrown away in jail.
This reeks of privilege.
Appreciate your honesty, even if I think it’s a little misguided.
I would have put a bullet in Hitler’s head without hesitation if I knew how many people he would go on to kill, I actually think it would be my responsibility to make the world a better place.
If I was tried for that crime and sentenced to life in prison, then I would accept that as the cost of doing the right thing.
Now I imagine Luigi wrestled with the same things and is happy to face charges for doing what he thought was right and I find that admirable, much more admirable than letting someone like Hitler cause millions of deaths because I didn’t want to get my hands dirty.
I want you to know I am not judging you and I support your belief in your morals and where you draw the line, I just wanted to open a discussion as someone who is somewhere on the ASPD spectrum, it always interests me what lines people have and their reasons for them.
Have a nice day. 😊
You believe you came to this value alone but it’s the kind of passivity the ruling class wants you to demonstrate. “Nobody is above the law” is another one, but the US just elected a 34-time felon.
Starting to see things any more clearly yet? If not, look inward. Harder…
Murder only applies to humans
Yes and?
Sorry, didn’t realize you couldn’t pick up on the subtext. I’m implying that the rich aren’t human.
i agree.
You must be one of those temporarily embarrassed billionaires.
i wish i was a billionaire so i could donate it to feed starving children.
If that’s what you’re passionate about (helping others) you will never be a billionaire.
They only like to pretend to do good things to try and whitewash their reputation.
good because i never want to be rich. money corrupts people.
Yet you’re not a fan of removing that corruption (cancer) from the Earth by violent means.
I wonder if you think any other means could be used to remove such people from power, as from what I can see people protest and are violently crushed, people can try political means (Bernie/Corbyn) and the media machine will come out in force to slander them, people can march but will be vilified for causing a nuisance.
It seems to me like violence is the only thing that can spur on a revolution. Hello Syria, Libya, Hamas, the Americans kicking out my country over taxes.
well Americans can do as they wish. Up here in Canada I’m just going to condone violence.
I am not American either, they don’t have a monopoly on violence, well geo-politically they might do actually.
Anyway, as I said in the other thread I don’t judge you and was just interested in hearing another perspective, as clearly I am anti-social to some degree, so it’s interesting to hear from people who are not.
This is why we gave cryptocurrencies
