How about you guys rethink the food
If you can reconstitute some kind of edible food that maintains some semblance of the low price, I think that’ll be enough. People started going to Five Guys and paying $16 because your burgers are clearly made of mouse shit.
The “food” they have now is the product of decades of incremental changes made to cut cost and tinkering with fat, salt and sugar contents to fool your brain into giving you a dopamine hit for eating it. What they have now doesn’t even taste like hamburgers anymore.
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Shitty food for retarded prices. I’ll just go to the pizza place on the next corner and get a burger there. Better burger, better fries, same price, better surroundings.
Gradually increasing revenue each year is more sustainable, as it avoids the pressure of constantly surpassing record highs and potentially alienating your customer base. CEOs somehow fail to understand this. Morons.
Does in America exist small fast food restaurants? In my country those are affordable and most of times better than McDonald’s I prefer to spend money there.
I think you kind of need to define a bit what fast food means and what you consider small.
Following the McDonald’s model with a drive through, self-seating dining area, no table service, etc. those are mostly going to be chains, although some chains are pretty small, only operating in certain areas with a handful of locations.
And there are exceptions of course, some independent restaurants do have a drive through (often I see this setup when they move into a location that was formerly a corporate fast food place) and there’s chains or locations that don’t have a drive through, or do have table service, etc. but those tend to be exceptions rather than the rule.
If you expand it a bit to include other small, no-frills restaurants with a heavy emphasis on fast service and take-out, there’s a lot of places that could fit the bill. Pretty much every town has some little hole in the wall burger joint, deli, sandwich shop, taqueria, Chinese takeout, pizzeria, bodega, snack bar, etc. that you could potentially argue fits the fast food category.
Most of those places probably don’t exactly advertise themselves as fast food and would probably want to avoid that label (although to be fair, the same can probably be said for most fast food restaurants, I’ve never heard a McDonald’s commercial call themselves “fast food”)
There’s also going to be some overlap with other categories, fast-casual, convenience stores, etc. where the lines get blurred about what can be considered “fast food.”
In general though, in America, the term “fast food” is usually going to refer to the larger chains, and the smaller independent restaurants with otherwise similar service will be called something else.
In part due to boycotts btw.
bubble popping?
We all wish
My boss at work went to pick up some McDonald’s food a few months ago, not particularly because he wanted to eat that, but because he wanted one of those free glasses that came with the meal - honestly, what a strange reason, right?.
He was sick for a solid two weeks due to salmonella. If I have had any desire to go eat there again, it evaporated when he told me that.
Not to try and discredit your or your boss or anything but a lot of people assume that they got salmonella from the last food they ate. Usually it’s from food they ate a day or so ago, as the incubation time is between 24 and 48 hours.
If he got sick right after eating McDonald’s food then it’s probably just a coincidence. Have he got sick 2 or 3 days later then yeah it was probably the McDonald’s burger.
Also what free glass?
Honestly, even if it hit him 2-3 days later, it’d be kind of hard to pin it on the McDonald’s unless he ate all of his meals there that day or there was an outbreak of salmonella in the area and McDonalds was the common factor between the cases.
He could have just as easily gotten it from his breakfast or dinner, and that may even be more likely. I won’t pretend for a moment that McDonald’s employees can be 100% trusted to follow their proper food handling procedures and such to the letter, but I’m certain that a corporate outfit like McDonald’s probably has so many guidelines in place and has idiot-proofed as much of their equipment as possible that it should be next-to impossible for them to be at fault even if half their rules end up getting ignored.
There’s of course cases where things out of their control could happen, like they get a batch of lettuce that’s contaminated with salmonella from their supplier, but that’s the kind of thing that could happen at literally any restaurant, and there’s only so much you can do to mitigate that.
At what point are we blaming people who eat there?
The people that eat there are not tolerating their continued price gouging after the pandemic shortages.
Blame them for what? The sales decrease? That makes no sense.
Many have little choice in the matter.
What? Isn’t it cheaper to buy and cook your own meals?
In order to prepare a meal, you need to be able to afford ingredients, have the required skills, and have the time/energy to cook. So yes, it is cheaper to prepare your own meal, but if for example you’re working three jobs to make rent while raising a child, you’re going to have difficulty finding the time or energy required for cooking. Doubly true if you don’t already know how to cook.
There’s also people without access to a kitchen. If you have to rely on other people to cook for you, you’re extremely limited in options and as a result you’ll likely have to spend more money on fast food and takeout.
Another thing to think about: it’s cheaper to grow your own food than to buy it. Most of us don’t grow our own food - probably because we lack time, knowledge, or land.
Another aspect to this is our society and culture. Eating out is a special treat, a privileged event that’s deep in our subconscious. Have grandparents that take you to a favorite spot? A friend that loves to eat at this one certain place. Just want to have a more relaxing day because of over-stressing? The food joint is our new spa.
I don’t enjoy eating out so it’s easy for me to avoid it. But, my family has the average addiction and my partner comes from a household that would eat out at any opportunity (I’ve seen them do all 3 meals in a day when visiting once). You don’t realize the amount of money being spent on advertising till you’re trying to get someone to cut back. Newspapers, online ads, roadside signs, we even get “coupons” in the mail it feels like several times a week. Kid’s programming, sponsored school events from nearby food chains, high schools will have a domino’s in it before they get a robotics lab.
It’s crazy we allow any of this, we know from past cigarette legislation what this kind of inundation can do to people psychologically.
All valid points, thank you.
A homeless person couldn’t really do that.
Very true, for some reason that didn’t cross my mind.
It probably doesn’t cross most people’s minds most of the time. That’s why people on these forums seem to be changing so much.
Wrong, there are so many fast food places to go to besides McDonald’s. There is literally no one on this planet who is forced to eat there.
Alright, so they’ll be forced to eat at Greggs or Subway, then, I guess.
I resent the implication that Greggs and Subway are equivalent. Subway is the only place where they ask you 500 questions when you ask for a cheese sandwich.
I’ll just take some ketchup with whatever the other hobo is having then, I guess.
But I find mayonnaise quite distasteful.
They should just quadruple the prices and make it an elite experience,
So, something like shake shack?
Why not? It worked for Taco Bell.
McDonald’s whole niche is “cheap but edible”, the second you remove cheap from that equation the value proposition is gone.
They saw what Pepsi was doing with Frito-lay and figured why not?
$11 for a 12 pack of sprite where I live. No. Fucking. Thanks.
Damn, they charging that much for future diabetes these days??
As someone who used to be a daily fast food eater, I’m just proud that these greedy fast food chains have forever lost me as a customer. Ethics aside, after not eating at these places for so long, I now get to compare the experience to the local places around me or my own cooking skills. The only way I’d ever go back to one of these fast food joints I used to frequent daily is if they provide a better value than myself or the local restaurants here. And the local quick service places here give you a ton of good food instantly for under $10, which I know McDonalds et al will never reach again.
I think this will be the long term impact.
Customers have been pushed to discover alternatives and are unlikely to return for reasons beside price and quality.
For example, there are sit down restaurants near me that haven’t raised their prices or have barely done so and are now cheaper than McDonald’s.
The fact that local one offs haven’t needed to raise prices signals to me that a large multinational company did not need to either. This adds a fuck off and die factor to my future purchasing decisions. I am not a price conscious customer but I take being gouged personally.
I won’t go back until hash browns are 2 for $1.
Fuck outta here with this $2.00 hash brown bullshit.
Wanna say they’re $2.79 where I’m at. I know for sure they were just under $3
Yep fuck that.
2 for $1.
And egg McMuffins and sausage muffins should be <$3.00.
And the sausage burritos should be 2 for $1.
McDonald’s trying to act like they’re a restaurant and not a fucking logistics company. The market rate of a potato doesn’t affect the price of French fries at McDonald’s when they legitimately own the rights to the only brand of potato that is used to make McDonald’s French fries.
Any company that is known by all doesn’t do what the average person thinks they do.
McDonalds? Logistics company
CocaCola? Logistics company
Ups? Logistics company
Starbucks? Logistics company
Miller/Coors? Logistics company
Shaw’s? Logistics company
W.B mason? Logistics company
Exxon Mobile? Logistics company
Amazon? Logistics company
The price of sugar doesn’t affect Coca-Cola. The price of wheat doesn’t affect millercoors. The price of lumber doesn’t affect wb mason. The price of gasoline doesn’t affect ups. The price of coffee doesn’t affect Starbucks. The price of beef, potatoes, and dairy doesn’t affect McDonald’s. The price of oil (barely) doesn’t affect Exxon Mobile.
These are the fucks that pull the levers. Not the farmers. Not the lumberjacks. Not the oil refiners.
I keep hearing that McDonald’s is actually a real estate company
The market rate of a potato doesn’t affect the price of French fries at McDonald’s when they legitimately own the rights to the only brand of potato that is used to make McDonald’s French fries.
McDonald’s certainly has enormous buying power. I do imagine widespread drought or something would impact their bottom line by some pennies if it were severe enough. Anyway, I read:
The Dakota Russet is one of eight varieties accepted [by McDonald’s] in North America. The most recent additions to the McDonald’s North American varieties were in 2016.
Don’t see that one online but other varieties appear popular.
Now, enjoy
PROCESS FOR PREPARING FROZEN FRENCH FRY POTATO SEGMENTS
(Other patents: methods of preparing / cooking food; packaging; equipment used in cooking food.)
It’s worse here in Canada.
$2.50 Cones were my breaking point. The tourist trap general store next to me does a decent waffle cone for $4.
Jesus, I can’t find a cone near me for less than $6.
You can get a pack of frozen hash browns for cheaper than that. Saves time, money, and tastier imo.
Shout-out to Trader Joe’s pack of elliptic-cylinder-shaped hash browns.
And crunchy af in the air fryer.
Takes forever though
Takes about 10 minutes in mine, full power and flip once.
F O R E V E R
Forever ever?
FOR-EV-VERRR
FOR-EV-VERRR
FOR-EV-VERRR
I do them on a tray in the oven and I don’t even bother with flipping. They still come out great.
Thats the best thing about them, still great the lazy way.
If I’m feeling extra though, I’ll brush some oil on it and salt it, maybe some other random seasonings.
I almost had them tasting like dunkin hashbrowns once, was very nice.
Forever? I think an extra 5 minutes is worth the wait for anything better than McDonald’s.
10 min? Vs like 3-5 min in the drive through, but I can do other shit while the air fryer’s going.
Oh, I’m not advocating McDonalds breakfast, but I remember them taking like 20 minutes in the oven. I’m not a morning person, so I do not plan my breakfast 20 minutes ahead, lol.
Air fryer cuts it in half.
Can I shit on air fryers for a second though.
How did everyone just accept this horrible example of marketing and branding nonsense? I literally had relatives explaining it to me like it was a magical new way of cooking just invented.
Its a fucking tiny convection oven.
- Doesn’t have to be tiny - there are go full sized
- More convection than convection. While there’s not a clear definition of either, companies that do both distinguish them by windiness
- Many countertop models don’t need pre-heating!
- More automated, no need to think. Just press a few buttons and wait for the ding, like a microwave.
Its a fucking tiny convection oven.
It’s marketing. They know Americans won’t buy an oven, but we love frying things.
Air fryer is not the oven.
I’m using the tools I have. 🤷
people downvoting the shit out of you for speaking truth to Big Homemade Hasbrown
shit takes a minute guys, its ok that not every feature of a home made thing is superior to McDonalds
Yeah, I’m not sure why I struck such a nerve, lol. I just got frustrated because I’m not a morning person, and hashbrowns eggs and bacon take forever! And I can’t get the timing lined up, since I’m half awake, so screw it. Bagel and coffee.
When fast food is as much or more than grocery store sushi, fuck it, I’ll park the car and go grab some fish.
I miss cheap fast food. Feels like it will never come back anywhere.
Taco Bell still has $1.25 bean and rice burritos where I live. It’s like 400 calories so it’s a pretty good deal.
Not here! The burritos at Taco Bell here are outrageous. A single bean burrito is 4.50CAD. The 7-layer? 8 BUCKS. The Grilled Cheesy? Fuck you, over ten dollars for a single burrito. A burrito that isn’t heated right, has all the ingredients separated into disgusting pockets of single ingredient, and makes you feel terrible after eating them.
And mind you, these aren’t even combos. This is just one burrito.
UK Taco Bell is somehow worse.
They seem to be trying to trade on the novelty/name, because there is no chance I’m paying £8 for a taco the size of a hamburger.
Taco Bell is my goto for cheap fast food
They aren’t even cheap anymore, damn near $2+ basic bitch tacos. I can go elsewhere and get a street taco (with multiple meat options) for a buck that’s actually flavorful and warmer than room-temp, and that’s in fucking Ohio
I assume you are North American, look for small ethnic food shops. You will find better food at a cheaper price.
Hole-in-the-wall ethnic food shops/take out are the way. If you want 'murican fast food, you gotta break the bank… but find a little family owned taqueria that does their shit right and you can stuff your face with the best tacos you’ve ever eaten for like $3. Highly dependent on your local options ofc, so keep an eye out.
In my experience, the sketchier the restaurant looks, the better the food is.
Bag of Dick’s burgers are the only way to go in Seattle.
What is Dick’s charging these days? My local equivalent burger joint has a double with fries for just over $8. Easily the best I can do around here.
$8.10. Their advertised base wage ($21/hr) must be lower than their actual base wage. I saw a posted at location janitorial position with a $23/hr start.
$5.30 for a deluxe, $2.80 for fries.
Dick’s and a taco truck in the same area ($2.50/taco) are my go to cheap but delicious lunch options.
I was amazed to find out the chicken place I order from looked nice (for a sketchy hole in the wall ethnic food place). $30 CAD for two or three days worth of INCREDIBLY good chicken and fries
Like seriously, it was dying mall food court sketchy when I expected, “…You killed the health inspector with a pan to the head didn’t you?” sketchy
You reminded me of a dumb song by a little known christian singer from the 70s and 80s that my dad liked.
We played this song on repeat as kids because there was a giant belch in it.
I give you Randy Stonehill’s American fast food (what a stupid way to die)
If a restaurant looks shady and stays in business, it’s either a front or the food is delicious.
And if it’s a front the food might still be awesome because it’s some rando doing their home cooking to cosplay as a restaurant worker
Yeah the fronts specifically want to pay for halfway plausible quality ingredients to mask their income.
Does this pretty much imply that if it looks shady and stays in business, but the food is shite, then then business is a front for money laundering or other criminal activities? Because there is this absolutely trash Mexican place near where I live and it’s always dead (no business) and the food is suspiciously bad like “the refried beans are dry and look like they’ve been sitting out for days” kind of bad. And this place has been “in business” for like 15 years.
There’s a Bosnian place right next to an amazing Mexican place we like to go to. The Bosnian place always has people coming and going, but never staying for more than 5 minutes, and never walking out with food in hand. I’m pretty sure it’s a front.
It could also be a hobby business to keep someone’s spouse/family busy and out of the house.
Yes. Otherwise there wouldn’t be any point in keeping it open.
Restaurants have notoriously thin margins, so to stay in business 15 years, something shady is happening most likely.
Bonus points if the menu is at least half in another language
All the local taco places near me are like 10 bucks for 2 tacos
I wish we had those around here. Even the hole-in-the wall Indian places start their plates at like $12. It’s absurd.
In Louisiana some of the best fried chicken and other Cajun food is in gas stations. Not even joking. It’s usually small towns, but there are some around NOLA and other cities, too.
Those breaded skewers with chicken/pickle/onion/potato you can get at roadside stations down in the MS delta area are absolutely incredible and I love them. Any time I’m passing through there I have to find some.
Best fried chiicken i ever had was at a gas station in the middle of nowhere off ther interstate in Mississippi.
One of my best fried chicken experiences was a $5 fried chicken buffet somewhere in rural Kentucky near Lincoln’s birth home.
You absolutely can get great American food from a hole in the wall. Also, I’m not sure why you had to say ‘murican as if our food has something wrong with it. Just a weird flex. I’m lucky to live in a city with a plethora of food trucks all around and you can get pretty much any kinda cuisine for cheaper than fast food joints.
'murican … weird flex.
…flex?
Cheap food is still out there, but it’s not corporate food.
Corporations put profit above all, which is anathema to how every successful chain became successful. Whatever mechanism they had to stresamline production, negotiate with vendors, push addition products (would you like fries with that?), their primary goal was always consistency and value. You know what to expect, and it’s worth the money.
You’ll find that now in local diners, in food trucks, in cafes, and in small restaurants where they value good food over profit, but you won’t find it at most chain restaurants.
Food trucks are hit or miss. The food can be OK but the ones here tend to be very overpriced for the quality.
Someone else mentioned ethnic places which have become my go to for good, cheap food. There’s a gyro place near me where you can get a gyro and fries for like $7. It takes 5 minutes and the food is fresh.
BBQ trucks tend to be way overpriced in my experience. But that may be biased because I make damn good BBQ. I have friends that ask me to make food for their birthday parties, diaper parties, bachelor parties etc. paying $12-15 for a sloppy mess of a pulled pork sandwich with no taste other than the sauce is absolutely unacceptable. That being said, I’m far enough away from any BBQ “hub” that nobody here knows what good BBQ is.