OTOH they did delete all those Jan 06 text messages so I no longer regard them as objective in the performance of their duties.

Everyone seems to, except major phone manufacturers. 😡

She’ll probably be happy to take it. She achieved her goal, like a good soldier.

“Still a man, he hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest” -Paul Simon

I think you need to heed your own advice based on how this discussion has gone.

I don’t see this being examined in any objective and scientific way.

What would be scientific would be to allow women and their doctors to evaluate those risks together and make the decision without Republican lawmakers continuing to try to insert themselves in between. Sorry if that’s too emotional.

I’m also quite sure there are scientific journal papers that cover this. I feel like you are expecting an awful lot from an article about a specific event on politico.

It is literally the highlighted quote in the article: “we actually have the substantiated proof of something we already knew—that abortion bans kill people.”

For someone who complains about others not being objective, I find it unexpected that this is what you would quote to support this assertion by you:

using a sample size of 1 as evidence of an epidemic

and the perception that no women die from legal abortion procedures.

I don’t know anyone who has edit: [ever expressed] that perception. Anecdotal I know, but I’m skeptical it’s a common belief among adults of voting age.

using a sample size of 1 as evidence of an epidemic

I don’t see that word, nor any language that conveys that impression in the article.

I do see this:

At least two women in Georgia died after they couldn’t access legal abortions and timely medical care in their state, ProPublica has found. This is one of their stories.

That seems pretty straightforward and unsensationalized to me.

On the one hand, you have some women dying of complications arising from an elective procedure that they chose to have, based either on medical necessity or other factors. On the other hand you have a woman in need of medical care that she wished to have, and was denied, due to her reproductive autonomy being denied, then dying as a result.

Yet you have a hard time distinguishing what makes these things different?

In that hypothetical I think my comment would stand either way.

Unless the figure has been changed, it was even less than that.

Plonk.

Well, if you’re going to move the goalposts that far from “most men are fascists” (which was throwing out the baby with the bathwater in the first place) what even is the point of discussion?

Good day to you.

Most men vote republican

Most men who vote vote republican.

Here on Lemmy leftist means communist to some people, but liberal means corporatist Democrat to me.

Progressive or leftist is what I call myself depending on context. If I’m among a group that will immediately think I mean communist, then I stick with progressive.

most men are fascist

I mean, citation fucking needed.

Why do all their jackets look three sizes too big?

I mean, something has to counterbalance their headwear.

I hope what it also means is that the secret service will be paying them a visit.

Wow what a dodge. It doesn’t matter the extent of the trauma or whether it’s the worst trauma they have had. You are minding your own business, have done nothing wrong, then the cops show up with a random accusation and “need” to put you in cuffs while they determine if you are a threat. Comply or violence. It’s not right.

we really need to at the very least make training a requirement, even just a written exam would help…

Cue gun nuts, “…shall not be infringed!”

And I’m saying, even if they are polite, they are polite because I comply. If I don’t really want to be in handcuffs right then - doesn’t matter. If I’ve got an important appointment or was about to leave to pick up my child from school before police arrived to “make sure I’m not a threat” - doesn’t matter.

Your options at that point, even as someone who has done nothing wrong are comply, or expect violence. THAT is inherently traumatic.

I don’t disagree with you about this specific case, I was reacting to your “people put too much stock in being cuffed.” Removing another person’s bodily autonomy under direct threat of violence is just another day for police, but for the rest of us it’s a pretty fucking traumatic thing to be on the other end of.

Perhaps if you don’t understand what police officers go through, I could see it.

I understand they can pick a different job if it’s too much for them, and that they knew what the job entailed when they picked the career in the first place.