Summary

Donald Trump’s name appears in Jeffrey Epstein’s recently released flight logs seven times, including flights in 1993 and 1994, some with his then-wife Marla Maples and daughter Tiffany.

The documents were released by Attorney General Pam Bondi, who stated this was the first phase of disclosures regarding Epstein’s network.

Bondi requested additional FBI records on Epstein, citing thousands of undisclosed pages.

Epstein, who died in 2019, had connections to Trump, Bill Clinton, and Prince Andrew, though no wrongdoing by Trump has been alleged.

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    13 days ago

    Of course he is. He has been seen and fotographed with Epstein, I think he had even called him a friend. It would be suspect if he would not appear in a number of documents in this case.

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    13 days ago

    “No wrongdoing by Trump has been alleged.”

    FFS

    I am alleging it now and have alleged it for years: Donald J Trump joined convicted pedophile and sexual abuser Jeffery Epstein in raping an underage girl.

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      12 days ago

      I was questioning that too. I’m certain I’ve read allegations of wrongdoing, i.e. sex with a minor, attributed to Trump. Why are they saying otherwise? (no need to answer that, I think we know)

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        I think the article means court case or criminal charges. It’s been implied or stated, but no courtroom allegations or cases. Edit: I hope that’s what is meant

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      13 days ago

      Epstein didn’t create the demand for sex trafficking and grooming minors. he “just” exploited it.

      Is he a monster? absolutely.

      But he didn’t create the demand, and the people creating this chaos? they’re his clients. After Epstein got caught… somebody else became the one to provide the service. because there’s plenty of monsters wanting to fill that role.

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        I don’t know what makes you say that other than pessimism. Times have changed. Epstein absolutely could have been the last on that scale.

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          This is so naive I can’t believe there’s people who think like you. I think Epstein was probably a low level player compared to what goes on in Russia and the Middle East.

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            Yeah, I’m certainly only speaking for the West. But here risk has gone up and public sentiment has changed. In the 1980s people would be more likely to cover for a priest. Today they’re more likely to murder that priest. The church is more likely to turn them over to authorities rather than move them to another parish.

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              you might want to lay off the church’s coolaid. They’re still protecting priests and pastors. The only time they don’t is when public backlash is so high it’s no longer feasible to do so. For every pedopriest you hear about there are another dozen doing the same thing quietly.

              sex trafficking has always been part of human behavior, probably even before we were technically modern humans. And it probably always will be. This isn’t pessimism. this is reality. If you want some optmimism, know there’s also always been people standing against it, doing what they can to end it. but it’s not a fight that ends until humanity ends.

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    Unless they release verifiably unredacted/unedited documents (and I’m not sure whether/if verifably unredacted/unedited documents are possible in this circumstance) I’m not going to believe they aren’t holding things back out of self preservation anyhow.

    The worst possible time for anything like this to be released is during the Trump admin, because now I have to apply an extra layer of skepticism.

    I don’t even have to go to a conservative sub to know they are or will handwave away his presence on the flight logs, and I know nothing worse is going to be released about Trump or any Trump ally, so what’s even the point aside from a witch hunt for all Trump’s enemies who somehow will be on the list?

    To be clear, I’m sure that Democrats and a disappointingly long list of non-politicians are on that list too, and they should all see the light of day.

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      Well, also the flight logs alone doesn’t mean much. It’s certainly suspicious, but it’s not damning. There was more than one reason to associate with Epstein.

      You need more than just flight logs. The suspect would have to say something about “he likes them young, like me” or something similar.

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        Yeah, you’d need something like Trump saying that he liked to surprise the young contestants at the Trump Beauty Pagents by opening the doors of the changing rooms while the girls were naked.

        Oh, he did say that? Oh. He also talked about flying on his private jet with Epstein and some of the girls to the pagents? Oh.

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        Look at them overachieving when they only need to worry about memories like goldfish.

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    though no wrongdoing by Trump has been alleged.

    Uhhhh…

    A woman accused Donald Trump of raping her when she was 13 years old in a lawsuit filed in federal court in New York this week. The lawsuit alleges that the assaults happened at parties hosted by billionaire Jeffrey Epstein (for more on his past see our previous story).

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/yes-donald-trump-was-accused-of-raping-a-13-year-old-but-this-lawsuit-has-little-chance-of-succeeding/

    Pretty sure being sued for raping one of Epstein’s 13 year old “massage therapists” is allegeding he committed a wrongdoing or two…

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      13 days ago

      Reading comprehension. The article is saying that Pam Bondi, has not alleged any wrong doing by Trump through releasing these files.

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        In 2019, Epstein, facing sex trafficking charges, died by suicide in a New York City jail. He had ties to high-profile figures like Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton and Trump prior to his arrest. Neither Clinton nor Trump have been accused of any wrongdoing. Trump has said that he once considered Epstein a “terrific guy,” but that they later had a falling out.

        That’s how the article puts it.

        But honestly, when people make comments like that, I’m just as likely to block them as help them

        You might want to at least wait till you’re sure you’re right before acting like that.

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      13 days ago

      1994, the same year he was flying with Epstein. I have no doubt the orange cancer is/was involved in child trafficking.

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        Same year trump was giving Bill Clinton a bunch of donations, and he then orchestrated the largest reduction of the federal workforce, pretty sure ever.

        This shit ain’t history, the same assholes are still shambling around doing the same shit.

        They’re just a lot less competent and frankly stopped caring we could see what they’re doing.

        The neoliberal movement was basically Randy Marsh microwaving his balls so he could get a medical marijuana prescription.

        They actively encouraged a cancer because they wanted one of the side effects, but they just assumed the cancer wouldn’t keep growing.

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          Believe me, they’re fine with a little cancer, Stan. Trump could say he was a nazi outright and people will support him. It blows my mind.

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            It’s just four years of a fascist, Stan.

            Daddy’s just gonna erode a little bit of our civil liberties and then George Clooney comes to my dinner party.

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    13 days ago

    Let’s be honest: If Epstein was still alive and in prison, he would get a pardon from Trump

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    From what I understand, it’s the same information that was released last time. The people on both sides that have been meticulously keeping up with this are livid that it’s literally no new information. Trump and Co even brought in influencers to hype up the release only for it to be the exact same shit that was released years ago.

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      All the conservative morons I work with are foaming at the mouth talking about this like it’s huge new information and everyone in the flight logs is a kiddie raper.

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        [Padme For the Better Meme Template]

        and everyone in the flight logs is a kiddie raper.

        So they’re including Trump in that assessment, right?

        They include Trump, right??

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      I don’t know why you think that.

      It’s not like the girl who was raped by Prince Andrew was recruited by Epstein at Mar-a-Lago or anything, right?

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        12 days ago

        Epstein’s connections were as blatant as Prince Andrew’s inability to sweat—hard to ignore

        😺😺😺😺

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      12 days ago

      For a second there I was thinking about the circumstances surrounding Ivana Trump’s mysterious staircase death.

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        Isn’t it in a book, that trump shoved her down the stairs? Or maybe I’m confusing that with when he just beat her. IDK

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    What a strange universe we live in. The old US: pushing surveillance and police laws to fight terrorism, drug dealers, and pedophiles. The new US: has a president who is of open to terrorism by supporting far right groups and storming the capitol, has a billionaire on his side who really seems to be on some psychoactive substances, and now this.

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    Well, yeah. He’s a rapist. Epstein ran the Disneyworld equivalent of rape attractions. If you’re good at football, you go to the Superbowl. If you’re good at violence, you go to prison. Trump is good at rape. Of course Trump went to Rapeworld.

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    Donald Trump knew about Epstein but didn’t tell us; we had to find out for ourselves.

    The fact that nobody is saying this and none of you have considered it until reading this comment should be very telling at how deep their power runs, and how stupid we are for going along with it.

    We literally aren’t allowed to have our own thoughts. We can only think and talk about what the powers that be have deemed appropriate.

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      I’m pretty sure we have all been saying that for years. Pretty much from the moment the Epstein shit blew up. I mean, they were best buds for over a decade.

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        I’ve seen people mention that Trump knew about Epstein, but I’ve never seen them make the connection to him withholding that information from us for decades.

        It creates the argument that either Trump isn’t as all-seeing as his base would like to believe, or he’s part of the cabal that protects pedophiles like Epstein. We’re not allowed to look in this direction.

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          I suspect most people don’t bring it up because that’s the least of what their friendship implies. And of course if Trump is a pedo, then he would definitely be protecting them.
          The real problem is that his base doesn’t care if he’s a child rapist or not. They are either jealous that he gets away with it and aspire to be like him, or they think it’s his God given right and the poor lost children he raped should be honored.

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      12 days ago

      he needs a distraction from the epstein stuff, by going apeshit on zelenksy meetings.

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    Im sure there’s people from every side in this shit show so this is one of those bipartisan type deals where everyone covers everyone up. If that weren’t the case, Biden would have released this last year. This is a nothing burger just like JFK files will be a nothing burger, just like the alien files were a nothing burger. NOTHING EVER HAPPENS.

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      I doubt anything interesting will turn up but let’s be fair: when the government does illegal stuff they destroy the documents. The stuff that we get usually gets misplaced and rediscovered.

      Hilariously the FBI announced that they have 2400 pages of newly discovered material which by accident was not part of the disclosure process and was unknown to anyone in government.

      https://apnews.com/article/jfk-fbi-trump-newly-discovered-files-0bd8ad5569f5fa3ed92b8ee9b795c9e7

      Guaranteed to either not get released and not contain anything interesting.

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        Not to mention J. Edgar Hoover had the entire FBI doing all sorts of illegal shit during his 42 year reign.

        Blackmail, illegal wiretapping, stalking, spying. But on actual enemies of the state? Nope.

        The amount of surveillance they had on the smallest perceived threat to his power was incredible. They either had a hand in having MLK Jr., Malcom X, and JFK murdered, or they knew about it and did nothing to prevent them.

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      13 days ago

      Just to be clear, do you think the US government is or has covered up encounters with extraterrestrial beings?

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        I don’t think so, no. Mostly because I think there’s a high likelyhood that we’re the most advanced species on this side of the galaxy.

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          I wish we weren’t, it’d be nice if some aliens could come put us out of our misery. Or at least give us something new to fear.