Yup.
Yes, that’s me.
Economists: “WONTFIX: Working as designed.”
it actually kinda pisses me off. we have been dropping the ball as consumers for a long time. if people would just stop buying all this bullshit, the market might reconsider.
Oh. Oh shit it hurts that reading this made me self-aware of this behavior. It’s one thing to be in this mindset and not be aware of it and it’s another to have it written out in front of you. 🤢
Ya know, I’ve been saving better than most my age. 401k, savings account, emergency fund, investments, crypto, etc. and I keep being reminded that no matter how much I save, I’ll still never achieve the American dream without help.
I’m in a similar boat, minus crypto. If anything it’s made me realize how big that chasm has become.
My retirement plan is a heroine overdose. I’ll try to do better than that, but I’m not expecting much.
This is exactly what mega-corporations want. If we save money, they don’t get it.
On the other hand, some of them just refuse to do any overtime or aim for promotion. It won’t get them any closer to their goals so why bother. It’s quiet quitting by default.
I’ve never understood “quiet quitting” as a term. When did just doing your job become something that needs a term? “Working adequately” seems more apt, but I can’t imagine the context that would be worthy of discussion outside an employee review.
They used to say “give it 110%”
In that context, here is a little decades old joke about that.
If: A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z is represented as:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.
Then:
H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K
8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%
and
K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E
11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%
But,
A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E
1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%
And,
B-U-L-L- S-H-I-T
2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%
AND, look how far ass kissing will take you.
A-S-S-K-I-S-S-I-N-G
1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%
So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty that while Hard work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there, it’s the bullshit and Ass kissing that will put you over the top!
Lolbruh. Yeah, I made the poor decision of getting a phd. At least it was in the hard sciences, so I learned some transferable skills. I BSd my way onto a high-paying career track. You gotta BS.
It’s about creating a negative connotation with doing your job, so you’ll either feel guilty about not doing more than your job, or feel anger at those who do more than you.
You know, keeping the plebes angry at each other so they don’t think too hard about the wealthy.
I can give you a real answer if you’re sincere, but this tends to disappear into downvote oblivion.
Quiet quitting is a sudden and noticeable shift, not in reduced performance, but engagement and morale. Increased negativity, pessimism, criticism, etc. It adversely affects team morale, often resulting in reduced performance of others. It’s more effective than you may think.
A good manager would address this with questions to better understand the sudden change in job satisfaction, and meet those concerns with change. Most seem to be complaining that they don’t have a reason to fire the team member, which is why you always read about “continuing to meet performance expectations.” If a manager told me the latter, I’d address it as a failure of their leadership skills.
You’re either lying or you’re simply misimformed. You didn’t mention staying late and doing extra work, which is what most people have meant when using that term to denigrate workers that do their job well but leave immediately after work is completed.
I started quiet quitting after it came to light that the new hires with zero experience were being paid more than I was, someone who had been there for over a year, and already had 5 years of experience. I no longer give a shit about the company, because they made it clear they don’t give a shit about my contribution. If you want people to put in extra effort, you have to give them extra money. Once you cheat an employee, they’re not gonna get over it because of a pizza party. fucking pay them.
Again, it’s not about effort or results, but morale. Unequal pay is an absolutely justifiable reason for low morale.
Ah, that makes sense. I’m in the military, and we have a similar thing for people who are either due to transfer or retire in the next couple months: FIIGMO. It means “Fuck it, I’ve got my orders.” (For clarification, orders in this context are travel/Primary Change of Station/Retirement Orders, a written and signed document saying they’ll be leaving)
It seems like a weirdly deliberate term for something that has been around forever and typically just attributed to low morale. It makes it seem like a person unhappy at work but just doing their job is somehow sticking it to their boss/company. I’ve dealt with a lot of people like that, both as a peer and a supervisor, and it was never them doing anything intentionally, just being unhappy (and most of the time it had nothing to do with the pay or conditions, just not being suited to the job or general attitude toward life). They could often be a blight on morale, though, so I see how it could be frustrating for supervisors (and peers, they made work miserable for everyone).
Fuck overtime. Forty hours a week is plenty.
Quiet quitting is just middle management’s manipulative language for people doing their jobs adequately but then not putting in a bunch of unpaid extra effort. When there is no incentive to go above and beyond, why should anyone? It is the job of management to create those incentives, but if they are unwilling to pay for that, complaining about people’s work ethic to try to guilt them into doing unpaid work is their next strategy. It isn’t very effective.
Why we are not having kids or even getting married can’t collect my debit when I am dead and have nothing. Just go full nihilist
Once they have everything, then what happens next? If there is nobody to buy things
The powerful rich are always pushing for the closest thing to slavery they can get away with.
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Lots of news articles this week using a lot of words to say “Americans don’t have savings”
“Prices are going up but wages aren’t. What have millennials done to cause this?”
Millennial here.
We exist.
There are dozens of us. Dozens!
Now there’s a baker’s dozen!
Generation X here.
We sound coolest, and nobody blames us for shit.
Millennial here.
I wish I didn’t.
thoughts (no self harm talk, just sadness!)
My society clearly hates me and doesn’t want me to exist, my parents bought the modern austerity riddled American dream hook line and sinker and so they believed they shouldn’t help me too much after I became an adult and basically they severed that deep link between parent and child for… some shitty neoliberal ideologies that are empty as fuck?
I am a millenial and I exist, I don’t want to, even though I was given a lot of privilege when I was younger I am ADHD as fuck and life is honestly genuinely miserable. The world wasn’t designed for my brain, it was designed to shunt someone with my brain into jail or a death spiral of some kind of addiction (you ever looked up the percentage of prisoners in US prisons that likely have ADHD? It is shocking).
It would be one thing if things were getting better for ADHD people, but they are quickly accelerating towards being worse in every aspect, random ADHD med shortages because the FDA wants us to die, more and more executive function required for basic tasks (more paperwork, more scheduling, more consequences for not following rigid schedules perfectly), less and less energy and free time available left over after work, less and less tolerance for simple mistakes at work, more complex and brittle steps to get healthcare help that involve a million carefully designed give-up points custom designed to coax an ADHD person into never utilizing their healthcare because they can never get through the hoops to do it. The job application process of sending out resumes to online job after online job alone is catastrophic for my ADHD.
I am not going to hurt myself, or by extension others around me, after all that is precisely what is making me sad in the first place. I have lost that flame inside me because I know I won’t be able to live a fulfilling life where I am genuinely happy in a way that I don’t always go to sleep at night wishing I could disappear painlessly and be forgotten by all…. unless I win the lottery either literally or get the rare job that doesn’t treat me like shit. (Then I am happy and am surrounded by a bunch of dying people like me that I have to try to ignore…?).
It is hard because therapists are usually older adults and they just can’t understand this depression as a rational response from an entire chunk of a generation rather than an individual pathology. Focus on the positives! they say….and I think… I will eventually die of old age or health problems (hey can’t afford the doctor or dentist so that will speed it up :P ) and wont have to force myself to survive in a society with rules designed to put me in a constant state of suffering while constantly coding my desperate struggle to keep basic aspects of my life together as laziness, naiveness, lack of work ethic, lack of personal responsibility etc…
hey, I’m sorry you’ve been feeling down. I can’t offer a solution, but I just wanted you to know you’re seen. and if you want to talk about it more, absolutely feel free to shoot a message.
fwiw, I absolutely sympathize. I’m a young adult with adhd, and struggling with depression, though the latter is getting better I think. I went pretty quickly from being a “gifted kid” to being what most would consider an underachiever. I don’t, to be clear; I’m proud of where I am, regardless of how it seems to compare to some of my friends. it’s still a mad reality check, though.
on a related note, I left christianity a year ago, and holy fuck has that been an adjustment. most of my optimism was always rooted in religion, and without that worldview, it’s suddenly on me to find new reasons to be even a little hopeful, even to want to be alive. I’m not suicidal, but for a while there I couldn’t say that I wasn’t. I do feel like I’m happy to be alive now, and that’s great, but holy crap this is not as easy as it was when I believed in an all-powerful benevolent god. ah well.
I hope you have a lovely day, but if you don’t, that’s valid too. life isn’t always lovely, and there’s nothing wrong with acknowledging that. there’s nothing wrong with feeling down about it. all we can do is try to support ourselves and one another, y’know?
i’m sorry for the dreams that’ve been taken from you and the injustices you’ve experienced. you deserved better, and so did I, and so did most of us. thank you for being honest about it. 🫂
Thank you so much, I deeply appreciate these kinds of posts that don’t attempt to fix me but just engage in solidarity :)
on a related note, I left christianity a year ago, and holy fuck has that been an adjustment. most of my optimism was always rooted in religion, and without that worldview, it’s suddenly on me to find new reasons to be even a little hopeful, even to want to be alive. I’m not suicidal, but for a while there I couldn’t say that I wasn’t. I do feel like I’m happy to be alive now, and that’s great, but holy crap this is not as easy as it was when I believed in an all-powerful benevolent god. ah well.
I think the least interesting question about religion is whether god exists or not. There are many things you can take away from yourself about christianity that don’t have anything to do with a bearded man in the sky existing or not. It is enough to appreciate the beauty of how a spiritual perspective on life and the beings around you can lead you into a happier, better life even if you that spiritual perspective is fundamentally not reflective of science or reality as we know it.
It is like how I don’t necessarily believe we have souls (I mean whatever, but there is zero scientific evidence of souls or even suggestions that they exist), but the concept of a soul and how it can be affected by the world and other people is an incredibly useful way of looking at the human condition. It is a concept and word that does not derive its power from the fact that it exists, and you can appreciate that outside of believing there is something like a soul literally imbued into ourselves in some magic/spiritual way.
i’m sorry for the dreams that’ve been taken from you and the injustices you’ve experienced. you deserved better, and so did I, and so did most of us. thank you for being honest about it. 🫂
thank you for being honest and listening!
<INTERNET HUGS>
I relate to this immensley.
🫂
And whose fault is that??? HMMMMM points at you
Thanks, Skeletor!
We didn’t do chit… the problem is and always has been, always will be, government.
douchebags gonna douche
Isn’t that good for the economy?
Where “the economy” = “rich people’s yacht money,” yes.
If I was smarter and worked harder I could be rich too.
Ah yes, I too believe the lie that the wealthy got their wealth from being smarter and working harder than everyone else, and not because of vast amounts of luck combined with exploiting everyone underneath them.
Keep talking to yourself like that and you’ll find yourself at the barrel end of depression broke and alone.
You obviously don’t hang with many rich people. They are regular people. They aren’t special, they just hit the right circumstances. Most of the smartest people I know are actually not the richest, they are employed doing engineering or science related fields. Capitalism doesn’t reward intelligence, it rewards accumulation of capital which has much more to do with circumstance, investment, and manipulation.
Most of my friends are rich because I like to surround myself with people who are better then me.
You equate rich as better. You sound like quite the sycophant. Enjoy that.
Is that a type of elephant?
It’s sort of a troll / elephant hybrid god cumfarted out.
And exploitation.
The truly rich are rich of soul. If you need help achieving enlightenment, I would be happy to help you and take some money off your hands.
/s
Give me some money first and I’ll give you half of it back.
Making deals like that it’s no wonder you aren’t rich
Once they give me the money it’s all mine, but I’m not going to lead with that.
If the American Dream were realistic, we wouldn’t be calling it a dream…
You have to be asleep to believe it --George carlin… I probably dodnt get it right
Nah, that was pretty much word for word what he said 🙂
Exactly, it would just be the “American Way”.
I mean, it was real for white people. It makes sense why they’re the most pissed and confused lately
A fantasy?
An ad.
Yay GDP!
Between this and stock indexes you have the most asinine metrics to determine if an economy is healthy.
I’m not saying I know what the solution is, but basing good times on how well Microsoft and/or Warren Buffett are doing is just stupid.
I’m not saying I know what the solution is
it’s bombs
Oh fuck off. I don’t get why so many people here have a literal hard-on for violence. Get out of your parents basement.
i’m 50. i’ve been watching the political cycle for for more years than you’ve probably been on this planet. nothing changes. young ideological kids have their moment of clarity and proclaim “this is all wrong!”, and then do nothing about it.
and if you’re about to say something about protests, just stop. protests are useless. make them scared or hit their finances. those are the only things that matter.
They not only “do nothing about it”, most of them join in the wrong as they get older. I think it basically comes down to greed and jealousy. Not sure anyone can fix that.
our best bet (and likely our only hope) is to be well kept pets to a super AI. the path to that utopia is messy. AMA
Bootstraps are too expensive to buy because your daddy thinks his broken ass house should be worth a cool mil.
I love how Fortune always deflects from the actual issue: wages aren’t matching prices, which means the average American is getting screwed by company owners and wealthy investors, at work, at the bank, at university.
It’s not about interest rates or inflation, although those are both relevant. If inflation were evenly balanced, it wouldn’t hurt most people, right? That is definitional. And high interest rates block house purchases, but in theory they also benefit house owners who have fixed interest rates. So again, if people were able to afford houses in the yhr past few decades, this wouldn’t be such a big issue.
“Getting screwed by government”
That’s the primary issue. Stop deflecting from the fact. Government is and always has been a problem. Fix government spending, checks and balances, audit the fed thoroughly, and everything else will fall in line.
Stop spending on war. Problem solved.
Facts. Not just that… our government is infatuated with spending tax dollars on really stupid studies. For example quails high on cocaine.
And these amongst a long list of other wasteful spending:
Fauci’s NIAID spent $478,188 to turn monkeys transgender $6.9 million smart toilet analyzes “anal print” Feds give $300,000 to virtual reality penguin study The State Department gave $25,000 in grants to Chinese surfers Harvard spent $75,000 in federal grants to blow lizards off trees with leaf blowers
I’m saving up for the American Dream 2.0™️: Moving to another country
Unfortunately not much better elsewhere, if at all. What would make me move is the idiotic healthcare system.
It’s not just America though.
Where I’m from:
UK average income before tax) £34,963 - £27,911 after tax (assuming NO student loan and NO pension) (for context: a band 3 nurse with 3 years experience makes £24,336 before tax or £20,631.51 after with no pension)
England average house price: £375,131
Approx ratio after tax: 13:1
Minimum deposit: 5% - £18,756.55
Tax: 0% on first time buyers
Fees: about £1,000 - £5,000
Total cost to get going: Approx £21,750 - nearly a years wage.
Now let’s look where I live: Spain!
Turns out Spain really is a load of countries wearing a hat so getting unified stats is not easy. Let’s try Barcelona:
Average income before tax: €33,837 - €25,470 after tax
Average house price: €376,399
Approx ratio after tax: 15:1
Minimum deposit: 10% - €37,639.90
Purchase tax: 10% - €37,639.90 (plus 1.5% for new builds)
Fees: 2 - 5% - 7,527.98 - 18,819.95
Total cost to get going: €82,807.78 - €94,099.75
Turns out treating housing as a market to speculate on might just be the problem all along.
Just to add to this, there’s zero chance you’re getting a 13x mortgage. For a 375k house on a 25k salary you’re going to need something more like 250k to start.
To add to this, the rule of thumb in the UK is your maximum loan is 4.5x your salary.
The average worker could borrow about £157,000.
To be fair, the UK is essentially aiming to be America 2.0
Many countries are trending more expensive (Belgium went up 30% house price in 4 years) but the UK is on another level of the wealthy literally owning all property and purposely leaving tens of thousands of houses empty just to spite the working class.
I knew someone would say this, which is why I also used Spain where the houses are as expensive, the pay is worse, and the tax is higher!
It doesn’t matter where you go in the West, the dream of liberalism is dead
Yeah, I hate this American-centric idea of “Oh, only my country is experiencing this totally unique problem, I’ll just go somewhere else.”
As if late-stage global capitalism would somehow be a problem that is unique to a single country.
The fediverse is a lot more multinational than That Other Site, and I’m seeing the same sort of articles from all over the place.
Yep.
The theatre is closed. There is no place else to go.
And by “theatre” we mean the theatre of conflict not the cinema.
It is time to stand and fight.
Well, you gotta be asleep to believe the American Dream, so maybe this means a lot of people are waking up.
