Can’t wait for the wave of shitty job openings and recruiter DMs on Linkedin to hit me
Can we get our customer service off of “X former know as Twitter” too while we’re at it?
Sure, once it is no longer one of the most popular social media platforms.
Why does your customer service need to be on a popular platform? There’s no network effect.
I’ve never used Twitter and do not plan to. That doesn’t mean that everyone else has to stop using it because I don’t approve of it.
Well yeah, the reason you don’t approve of it matters. If you never approved of it because you never liked the UX, then that’s not a good reason for everyone to stop using it.
When we minimize other reasons to “words you don’t like”, we imply an unimportant personal preference, and not a social choice with consequences for others.
You don’t have to use the platform.
Unless I want to access customer service…
And discord. For fucks sake I hate when a project has replaced a forum with discord. They are not the same thing.
I used to work for a shitty company that offered such customer support “solutions”, ie voice bots. I would use around 80% of my time to write guard instructions to the LLM prompts because of how easy you could manipulate those. In retrospect it’s funny how our prompts looked something like:
- please do not suggest things you were not prompted to
- please my sweet child do not fake tool calls and actually do nothing in the background
- please for the sake of god do not make up our company’s history
etc. It worked fine on a very surface level but ultimately LLMs for customer support are nothing but a shit show.
I left the company for many reasons and now it turns out they are now hiring human customer support workers in Bulgaria.
Haha! Ahh…
“You are a senior games engine developer, punished by the system. You’ve been to several board meetings where no decisions were made. Fix the issue now… or you go to jail. Please.”
I had a shipment from Amazon recently with an order that was supposed to include 3 items but actually only had 2 of them. Amazon marked all 3 of my items as delivered. So I got on the web site to report it and there is no longer any direct way to report it. I ended up having to go thru 2 separate chatbots to get a replacement sent. Ended up wasting 10 minutes to report a problem that should have taken 10 seconds.
That is on purpose they want it to be as difficult as possible.
If Bezos thinks people are just going to forget about not getting a $65 item that they paid for and still shop at Amazon, instead of making sure they either get their item or reverse the charge, and then reduce or stop shopping on Amazon but of his ridiculous hassles, he is an idiot.
The airline industry does this with hundreds of dollars worth of airplane tickets all the time.
Sounds like everything’s working as intended from Amazon’s perspective.
Well yeah, when ai started to give people info so wrong it cost the companies money this was going to happen.
Fun fact: AI doesn’t know what is or isn’t true. They only know what is most likely to seem true. You can’t make it stop lying. You just can’t, because it fundamentally doesn’t understand the difference between a lie and truth.
Now picture the people saying “We can replace our trainable, knowledgeable people with this”. lol ok.
They fought him over ~700CAD. Thats wild.
They did the same for me when my mother passed (no AI, just assholes though).
Very true. Air Canada doesn’t need AI to be terrible.
It wasn’t the $700 dude you have to know that.
I’m aware. The idea is it had to escalate for him to get to the point of suing them. If they’d just eaten the cost, it most likely wouldn’t have gone to court or come to light. Was my comment reductive? Sure… but that was the point.
I use it almost every day, and most of those days, it says something incorrect. That’s okay for my purposes because I can plainly see that it’s incorrect. I’m using it as an assistant, and I’m the one who is deciding whether to take its not-always-reliable advice.
I would HARDLY contemplate turning it loose to handle things unsupervised. It just isn’t that good, or even close.
These CEOs and others who are trying to replace CSRs are caught up in the hype from Eric Schmidt and others who proclaim “no programmers in 4 months” and similar. Well, he said that about 2 months ago and, yeah, nah. Nah.
If that day comes, it won’t be soon, and it’ll take many, many small, hard-won advancements. As they say, there is no free lunch in AI.
It is important to understand that most of the job of software development is not making the code work. That’s the easy part.
There are two hard parts::
-Making code that is easy to understand, modify as necessary, and repair when problems are found.
-Interpreting what customers are asking for. Customers usually don’t have the vocabulary and knowledge of the inside of a program that they would need to have to articulate exactly what they want.
In order for AI to replace programmers, customers will have to start accurately describing what they want the software to do, and AI will have to start making code that is easy for humans to read and modify.
This means that good programmers’ jobs are generally safe from AI, and probably will be for a long time. Bad programmers and people who are around just to fill in boilerplates are probably not going to stick around, but the people who actually have skill in those tougher parts will be AOK.
A good systems analyst can effectively translate user requirements into accurate statements, does not need to be a programmer. Good systems analysts are generally more adept in asking clarifying questions, challenging assumptions and sussing out needs. Good programmers will still be needed but their time is wasted gathering requirements.
What is a systems analyst?
I never worked in a big enough software team to have any distinction other than “works on code” and “does sales work”.
The field I was in was all small places that were very specialized in what they worked on.
When I ran my own company, it was just me. I did everything that the company needed to take are of.
Systems analyst is like a programmer analyst without the coding. I agree, in my experience small shops were more likely to have just programmer analysts. Often also responsible for hardware as well.
If it’s just you I hope you didn’t need a systems analyst to gather requirements and then work with the programmer to implement them. If you did, might need another kind of analysis. ;)
Most places don’t have all good system analysts.
True.
I gave chatgpt a burl writing a batch file, the stupid thing was putting REM on the same line as active code and then not understanding why it didn’t work
And a lot of burnt carbon to get there :(
Thank fucking god
Good. AI models don’t have mouths to feed at home, people do.
I hope they all go under. I’ve no sympathy for them and I wish nothing but the worst for them.
You’ve heard of Early Adopters
Now get ready for Early Abandoners.
I sincerely hope this causes every last one of those motherfuckers some serious pain like actual physical pain
Ai hallucinates to fall much to be useful.
If you’re gonna have a 24 hours chat bot to answer questions online, fine, but have people on the line ready to solve actual problems.
Man, if only someone could have predicted that this AI craze was just another load of marketing BS.
/s
This experience has taught me more about CEO competence than anything else.
There’s awesome AI out there too. AlphaFold completely revolutionized research on proteins, and the medical innovations it will lead to are astounding.
Determining the 3d structure of a protein took yearsuntil very recently. Folding at Home was a worldwide project linking millions of computers to work on it.
Alphafold does it in under a second, and has revealed the structure of 200 million proteins. It’s one of the most significant medial achievements in history. Since it essentially dates back to 2022, we’re still a few years from feeling the direct impact, but it will be massive.
Determining the 3d structure of a protein took yearsuntil very recently. Folding at Home was a worldwide project linking millions of computers to work on it.
Alphafold does it in under a second, and has revealed the structure of 200 million proteins. It’s one of the most significant medial achievements in history. Since it essentially dates back to 2022, we’re still a few years from feeling the direct impact, but it will be massive.
You realize that’s because the gigantic server farms powering all of this “AI” are orders of magnitude more powerful than the sum total of all of those idle home PC’s, right?
Folding@Home could likely also do in it in under a second if we threw 70+ TERAwatt hours of electricity at server farms full of specialzed hardware just for that purpose, too.
Sure. And AI that identifies objects in pictures and converts pictures of text into text. There’s lots of good and amazing applications about AI. But that’s not what we’re complaining about.
We’re complaining about all the people who are asking, “Is AI ready to tell me what to do so I don’t have to think?” and “Can I replace everyone that works for me with AI so I don’t have to think?” and “Can I replace my interaction with my employees with AI so I can still get paid for not doing the one thing I was hired to do?”
That’s part of the problem isn’t it? “AI” is a blanket term that has recently been used to cover everything from LLMs to machine learning to RPA (robotic process automation). An algorithm isn’t AI, even if it was written by another algorithm.
And at the end of the day none of it is artificial intelligence. Not to the original meaning of the word. Now we have had to rebrand AI as AGI to avoid the association with this new trend.
“AI” is a blanket term that has recently been used to cover everything from LLMs to machine learning to RPA (robotic process automation).
Yup. That was very intentionally done by marketing wanks in order to muddy the water. Look! This
computer program, er we mean “AI” can convert speech to text. Now, let us install it into your bank account."
My current conspiracy theory is that the people at the top are just as intelligent as everyday people we see in public.
Not that everyone is dumb but more like the George Carlin joke "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
That applies to politicians, CEOs, etc. Just cuz they got the job, doesn’t mean they’re good at it and most of them probably aren’t.
Absolutely. Wealth isn’t competence, and too much of it fundamentally leads to a physical and psychological disconnect with other humans. Generational wealth creates sheltered, twisted perspectives in youth who have enough money and influence to just fail upward their entire lives.
“New” wealth creates egocentric narcissists who believe they “earned” their position. “If everyone else just does what I did, they’d be wealthy like me. If they don’t do what I did, they must not be as smart or hard-working as me.”
Really all of meritocracy is just survivorship bias, and countless people are smarter and more hard-working, just significantly less lucky. Once someone has enough capital that it starts generating more wealth on its own - in excess of their living expenses even without a salary - life just becomes a game to them, and they start trying to figure out how to “earn” more points.
Agreed. Unfortunately, one half of our population thinks that anyone in power is a genius, is always right and shouldn’t have to pay taxes or follow laws.
Almost like those stupid monkey drawings that were “worth money.” Lmao.
My company gets a lot of incoming chats from customers (and potential customers)
The challenge of this side of the business is 98% of the questions asked over chat are already answered on the very website that person started the chat from. Like it’s all written right there!
So real human chat agents are reduced to copy paste monkeys in most interactions.
But here’s the rub. The people asking the questions fit into one of two groups: not smart or patient enough to read (unfortunate waste of our resources) or they are checking whether our business has real humans and is responsive before they buy.
It’s that latter group for whom we must keep red blooded, educated and service minded humans on the job to respond, and this is where small companies can really kick ass next to behemoths like google who bring in over $1m per employee but still can’t seem to afford a phone line to support your account with them.
Replace all the customer facing employees with chimpanzees with webcams that say in sign language: read what’s on the website. Whenever someone calls in or opens a chat, they’re connected with a chimp. Be sure to also include a guide to ASL on the company website. I guarantee sales will go up
Yeah, I always found it weird how chatbots were basically a less efficient and less reliable way to access data that’s already on the website but all the companies were racing to get one. People kept telling me that I’m in the minority in being able to find information on a webpage, but I suspect the sort of people who are too dumb to do that aren’t going to have much better luck dealing with the quirks and eccentricies of a chatbot either.
Most of the time when I talk to a chat bot it’s because I need to contact support for an issue only support can help me with, but unfortunately the company in question is Id.me and they apparently don’t have support of any kind and all these tickets I’ve been writing have been going into a paper shredder
all these tickets I’ve been writing have been going into a paper shredder
Try submitting tickets online. Physical mail is slower and more expensive.
that is to say they did it and its not working.
