Have the Americans, (Canadians, Australians) not been educated about history? WWII? Your grandfathers fought and died in the trenches in WWII to save you from fascism. THEY FOUGHT AND DIED. WTF??
Trumpers have outright said they don’t care if he breaks the constitution. They are nazis. They want this.
My great-grandfather was there on D-Day.
A good portion of his descendants are hard Trump supporters and are pro-nationalism and pro-fascism.
Glad he’s not around to see his family literally turn and support the very things he fought against.
It’s always been part of the human experience. Some wacko decides they’re going to control the world.
I saw this posted somewhere else. Really distressing. I am so appalled. It’s like nothing has changed, nothing has been learned from history. What the hell is wrong with human beings?
James Wheeler-Hill, national secretary of the Bund, opened the night with the statement that “if George Washington were alive today, he would be friends with Adolf Hitler.”[
If Adolf Hitler were alive today, he would be friends with Donald Trump.
Thank you, UltraGIGaGigantic, for this information. I was completely unaware. So, I guess hate is just part of the human experience.
Don’t forget the New Guard in Australia, who put on a big show at the opening of the famous Sydney Harbour Bridge
https://jacobin.com/2020/08/fascism-australia-old-guard-anticommunism
I just don’t understand. What the Nazis did to people, to children? What the US is doing to people, to children? Sending innocent people to an El Salvador prison. I don’t understand why anyone would vote for this.
They are GIDDY with appreciation. It’s a saying now with the Trump nuts I work with. ‘‘Hope they send him to El Salvador’’ whenever someone cuts them off. The cruelty is the point. No more being scared or intimidated by brown people, they no longer have human rights!
Yeah, honestly the US really didn’t want to take sides. A shocking number of Americans supported Hitler. But then the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and that sort of unified the country to fight on the anti-fascism (antifa, for short) side of the war.
Wow. Kind of like the conservatives were WAY ahead in Canada, until Trump started talking about annexing our country. Suddenly we were united. I read somewhere that the only way humans would unite is if there was a common threat, like a huge asteroid heading for us that would annihilate the human race. We would work together. But after the threat was gone, I’m sure we would just revert back to our awful, hateful, human condition. Humans truly are a cancer.
A common threat like climate change has not been very effective sadly.
Agreed. But the climate change isn’t affecting the wealthy, other than making them more money. Where I live, in B.C., some people are now unable to get fire insurance due to fires, others are unable to get flood insurance due to “atmospheric rivers”, which causes unnatural flooding. I’ll bet the major stockholders of the insurance companies have no problem with their insurance policies. Humanity is not being threatened with immediate impending doom. Just a long slow extinction.
Have you by chance read the comic Watchmen?
The afghan refugees can fuck off. Only the terps should have been allowed refuge. And they have to be checked.
Police already have swat teams. Maybe if people obey the law, they won’t have to worry about MRAPs rolling down their streets.
Maybe the civilians should have those tools instead. Cause the citizens are supposed to keep the government in check, not the other way around.
But the left wing citizens are right. We should depend on the government for our safety and provide us with goods and services. They’d never lie to us. Burning down establishments and destroying property will show the right wing citizens to have different beliefs!!
And the police, like the little lapdogs they are, will happily stomp on people’s rights for a chance to cosplay war
What did you expect? They’ve been doing exactly that for their whole history.
I thought for a moment he invited the village people to the White House….
The governors have to allow it. The federal government cannot mobilize the military in a state unless the governor of that state allows it. Posse Comitatus, if Trump attempts to send in the military against the governors wishes, we are talking civil war levels of federal vs state’s rights. I hope state militias are ready to defend themselves.
What consequences for breaking the laws that enforce rules like those have have been applied so far to this administration?
The Governors? Seriously? SCOTUS has no power. Innocent people, like Abrego Garcio, are being erroneously being deported to hellscape.
Edit for spelling
$100 he declares martial law in those cities.
if the governors don’t allow it. ICE could arrest them per E.O.
ICE would have to battle the governor’s security. ICE doesn’t have the stones to go up against people who aren’t essentially terrified and helpless.
We’ll see what happens with the new yes men in place. However, there was a DoD wide email that went out when he first started snatching people (though some didn’t get it for some reason). It stated:
Think long and hard before assisting other agencies outside the DoD. If your actions are deemed to be against your oath, you could be investigated and actions taken against you. Remember, you serve the constitution of the United States. Not the president.
Wa state has just passed a law stating that other state’s national guard, cannot enter our borders to take any actions. I would bet that that would include military personnel stationed in state.
Put it this way. If some good ole boys show up in my neighborhood. The Nortenos will probably deal with them before they even get set up.
Building a corrupt police state one EO at a time.
Holy fucking shit… 1000$ for an asylum claim? And 3500$ for children. This is monstrous. I am an immigrant and naturalized citizen to Canada and I never had to pay that much legal fees for immigration and citizenship.
The cruelty is the point. In fascism, empathy is seen as a sign of weakness and emasculation.
Never vote for another fucking establishment democrat ever again.
They always fucking lie and say they can’t do anything, then a republican comes into office and does EVERYTHING.
Fuck everyone who voted against Bernie in the primaries.
Upset with Democrats for following the rules and blame them when Republicans break the law? We want all parties to follow the rules, not more politicians commiting crime to get their way.
Rules? The democrats talk about having their hands tied and they can’t do shit, and only float ideas around. Ideas that never materialize. The Republicans then claim the dems are dictators and do as they please and all the chaos is from their ideas that were never implemented. You know the green new deal and defund the police? Nothing of the green new deal ever happened, but the Republicans acted as if everything was fully enact. And police funding actually soared during their administrations, but Republicans act like all police forces were gutted (remember the cowardly police action at Uvalde? They claim it was the police defunding that caused it when the Uvalde PD’s funding was never touched).
I sometimes wished we lived in the fantasy world Republican propagandists say we live in. If we did, ironically none of the fascists we see online or on TV would be around since they would all be conveniently ‘disappeared’.
Militarize the police
It wasn’t yet? US police has fucking tanks and mraps, it is already militarized, just without the training and restraint
Clearly they need cybertrucks and Hugo Boss uniforms
I saw the picture and thought “Blazing Saddles”! Now I’m even sadder that I live in a farce country.
The sheriff is near!
I sure don’t see no black sheriff.
I am going to short on my American stocks for the next four years. Trump won’t want to step down at the end of his term and when that happens, there will be chaos.
I dumped all my us stocks as soon as Trump was getting warmed up, I won’t be going back for some years irrespective of perceived returns potential
I’m holding no stocks or crypto. I’ve got a few hundred of bonds I probably ought to sell. I liquidated my 401k and IRA a couple months back. Big penalty, no regrets.
I getting rid of my bonds and stocks, aside from a token $1,000. I will leave that in, since I hope hyperinflation to make that paltry amount reach the account’s cap within five years. No idea if that hyperinflated excess would actually be useful, but…well, who knows what is a good choice, if you can’t buy physical properties right now?
The rest of my savings are being transmuted into Euros. I have no idea how to get gold at a fair price, and I am aligned with democracy, so I figure money affiliated with Europe would be a good choice for me. Partially in case if I need to flee the Trump Regime, but also because Europe has an protective ocean and many different countries to prevent an outright crash when economies start breaking. I will almost certainly lose buying power, but probably won’t get wiped out by America’s self-disassembly.
Any advice on getting your money converted to Euros? I’ve been trying to figure that out, but online searches for information are complete garbage now.
Honestly, that is bit of a pickle in the US. I am an amateur, so use plentiful salt.
First off, most banks don’t hold foreign currency, and if they do, it is for people with big bucks. IIRC, I think you need at least $30,000+ for Citi, but most banks seem to be $200,000+ before they will talk with you. However, you can trade in your American dollars for physical foreign currency. Not very flexible, but Trump might have DOGE pillage the US bank accounts of “dissidents”, so…shrug. I would treat Euros like gold or an refugee fund. It isn’t an investment vehicle.
1: Go to the bank, and ask for a foreign currency. You are basically selling your dollars for XYZ. They will have you sign forms, and order the physical money. 2: Wait about a week, and you will be called to pick up your foreign bucks. 3: Keep in mind, the bank will ask whether you are going on vacation. Your call on how to interpret this question. I just told mine about hyperinflation. It might make me look looney, but…well, here we are. :P
Aside from physical foreign currency, you can try a Neobank. They are purely online banks, no physical branches. You get sent a credit card, and be able to buy and hold foreign currency for it. Keep in mind each neobank offers a different selection of currencies, will require IDs, and most only use a smartphone app. You will likely want a Neobank from London or the EU. Neon is based in Switzterland, offering a IBAN - International Banking Number. Revolut is with London, and apparently quite friendly for many folks. I am might go with Wise in London, since they apparently have a PC-desktop interface available, and Britain might be “neutral” in a US-EU conflict. Note that you will have assorted costs with exchanging currency in addition to standard costs of banking.
Up to now I only had a flip phone, but got a smartphone since I might need flexibility for handling the times ahead. Maps, photos, drone controllers, ICE spotting, neobanks, and so forth. Wish I could just be lazy and have the troubles go away, but that isn’t how it works. :(
Wish I could just be lazy and have the troubles go away, but that isn’t how it works.
I feel this so hard. I’ve been more active this year than ever, and it takes so much out of me to socialize. But I’ve been giving talks, canvassing, and attending protests because we really don’t have a choice anymore. This government sure as hell isn’t interested in helping anyone, so it’s all on us.
I was raised in rural territory, having no neighbors or childhood friends. To say the least, figuring how out to socialize is a bit…problematic. Is it proper to deny sharing a first name when asked by a random dude who fist-bumped me at the library for just telling him the opening time? I do not know.
Getting out of my shell is going to be weird.
A third executive order requires professional truck drivers to be proficient in English.
Higher requirements than the office of president.
Anyone here seen daredevil born again ? We really got the fisk anti vigilante task force irl before gta 6.
Oh you sweet summer child.
I have some gloves-off shit I need to get off my mind and I feel the time and place for it is now because I’m very angry:
So… non voters, remember when we were telling everyone that would listen to “vote blue no matter who? Remember that? Of course you do- you threw that shit back at us like it was a god damned grenade. Remember that?
Yeah, well…. THIS is why we were saying that.
You see, we all saw this shit coming. Which is why we were saying to plug your fucking noses and just vote. Hell…, We even tried to reason with you- suggesting that-
“You’re not voting FOR Harris, you’re voting AGAINST fascism!”
You didn’t listen.
Your “…but, they’re doing a genocide!” was so deeply embedded via your little edgelord wind-tunnels, that most of you began to see it as an argument to win, instead of a point to be made-
Instead of doing anything substantial to help end it.
Well. Your point was definitely made. We all have heard you loud and clear. You collectively and VERY loudly agreed that you would be fine with the outcome either way- since genocide was going to be happening no matter who you voted for, right?
I do have to ask though…
Are you still fine with your choice? How does the memory of you, sitting on your asses and laughing at all the people rushing to voting booths in-between work and picking their kids up from daycare? How is that sitting with you? All those jokes and inflammatory remarks you hurled at the people who tried their fucking best to stop this with the only thing they have- their vote. The people who tried to protect your sorry asses that couldn’t be bothered to do the BARE FUCKING MINIMUM asked to protect our democracy.
I ask you… are those jokes still funny?
Is there any chance any of you want to walk back all those accusations you made about everyone being sheep? What about those smug and arrogant jabs about how both sides are the same? About how democrats and republicans are working together…
care to issue a statement here?
Because I’m pretty damned certain that NONE of this shit would be happening right now if you had listened to us when we TOLD YOU this would happen. When HE fucking told you this would happen.
And while very few people here were ever in favor of the genocide in Palestine- much to the disagreement of the few that are around that are STILL arguing against this point- we knew and know- that the pain we face at home must be resolved before we can be of any aid in the pain endured by others in theirs… Especially when most of you couldn’t have even pointed to any of those homes on a map a year ago and a half ago.
It should be noted that this is not in any way to lay the entirety of blame at the feet of the stay-at-home/its-someone-else’s-problem protestors, but the numbers are in, and while your combined lack of effort might not make up the entirety of the ninety one million registered voters that stayed home, it’s a fair guess that between you and the ones that voted third party-
We could have avoided this.
Roughly four to five million votes. That’s all we needed. Just four to five million of you to have listened. But your arrogance, your fucking entitlement- wouldn’t let this happen.
So now here we are. With this shit. This tyrant king and his pet tech-gremlin, stripping away our rights hour by hour, day by day. And while dealing with this shit, I as an American, have to carry on hour by hour, day by day- being tossed into the same bucked with you.
I have to shoulder the blame right along side you. And it’s not fucking fair. I did my part. I voted. I canvased, I shouted from the fucking rooftops.
But I’ll digress…
I sincerely hope that high road you thought you were taking lands you all right to where it seems the rest of us are going….
Because no one deserves it more.
The genocide stuff(yes we know its deplorable) was a wedge issue grift started and perpetuated by russia
Why are you okay with your fellow Americans being unrepresented in the voting booth?
Are you working to replace First past the post voting in your state? People should be free to vote for those they deem best, while still counting their vote against those they don’t want in office.
We don’t need to wait for a miracle from congress. How we vote us controlled at the state level. Alaska has already done away with FPTP voting. Alaskan Republicans were so upset that Ranked Choice voting kept Sarah Palin out of office they offered up a referendum to go back to FPTP voting. The people of Alaska voted to keep it. Other republican controlled states are passing legislation to outlaw any voting system other then First-past-the-post voting
Why do you want to use the same voting system republicans prefer? Do you support democracy? Or do you get off on telling people how to vote?
Videos on alternative voting systems
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
Except Palestinian babies. They deserve what they get.
—blue maga
I mean, they’re dead now.
So mission accomplished?
Brown American babies are up to join them next.
90 million voters don’t know just how fucking good they have it. They think America is America because it’s America. America is America because the people before us were willing to die for human rights.
I didn’t even have to hold my nose for Kamala. She seemed fine. Nothing amazing but fine, just like Biden.
But then again I don’t care about the pressing issues like how someone laughs.
I hear she wore a tan suit just like Obama
I voted liberal in Canada specifically because the conservatives were becoming more MAGA adjacent. I don’t like the libs much, but I will have them over PP’s Trump ass kissing any day.
If the dems wanted to win, Bernie would have been our candidate in 2016, not Hillary. If the dems weren’t working for the same people the reps are, Harris would have taken over as president when it was CLEAR that Biden was not fit to lead anymore. If the dems wanted to prevent fascism, they would have had an election to decide who the candidate will be, not just stick Harris in and tell us to vote for her.
‘Well if you didn’t want fascism you should have given me what I want!’
That sounds like MAGA talk.
If you want me to vote, run candidates that represent my interests.
Stop telling the progressives to ‘fall in line.’ Start telling it to the neo-liberals.
Exhibit A
Save that energy for the next election cycle and direct it towards everyone voting for the establishment candidates.
If you can convince enough of them to nominate for a candidate that supports the working class (you know, I actually voted here) then you can count on seeing me at the polls in the general election.
This guy has been annoying as all hell, blaming me for not voting after I stated I did… lol
I was one of those people right there with you, screaming at the non voters to vote.
Given what the Election Truth Alliance, and The Voice of San Diego have uncovered, I don’t think it would have mattered. They used every single method to steal the election that they could.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
Wanted to add you make ml’s look completely sane, given how much you post about them.
Exhibit A
If youre accusing me of being an ml, I’ve got news for you.
Seriously, what are you trying to achieve? We get it, you’re self righteous and need to whine, but what does any of this actually acomplish?
I’m not self-righteous at all. I’m just sick of pretending these assholes didn’t help cause the problem they fucking complain about every day here.
And the irony of you calling me self-righteous while these assholes are responding that they have every entitled reason not to vote against tyranny.
Fucking hilarious.
So even though i voted for Harris, i get no qualms with how that - failed - campaign was ran? It failed, a campaigns only purpose is to win and it failed. We dont fail our representatives, they fail us. Tell me what isnt righteous if I cant critique a campaign.
Excuse me, but if I remember correctly, wasn’t that election one with the most people voting ever? Kind of odd to be blaming non-voters when the voting turnout was a lot larger than usual.
Where do you get your news?
2024 was the second highest turnout of any election on record. This isn’t the fault of non voters.
Democrats should have been begging voters to turn out, offering to give them anything they wanted to avoid Trump. Instead they actively refused the one thing voters were demanding while using trump almost like a threat
I’m so tired of this ‘democrats can’t fail, only be failed’ apologia from liberals. As things continue getting worse it will only become harder for democrats to win anything, especially if they continue refusing what voters are asking for while blaming them for the fascism dems are collaborating with.
Better get your boots laced because sitting on your ass and whining about non-voters won’t protect you, we’re all in this shit now because democrats couldn’t get themselves to challenge Israel’s genocide
Enjoying Trump?
The Democratic Party doesn’t give a fuck about America turning into a fascist nightmare. Never have, never will. Most of them would be happy to play puppet opposition if it meant that the checks would keep coming.
So glad we have non voters to tell us how bad things could have been!
No Im sorry, I voted for Harris, and I’m not wasting my goddamn breath trying to be a bleeding heart liberal lecturing off my soapbox while my family is under risk of being shipped out of here. Sincerely, go fuck yourself
Yeah… be mad at me and not the people that caused your family to be threatened to begin with.
Enjoy the escape.
Okay whats up with your lil stealth edits?
This is why i dont argue with these people
Do you have any principals? Because with mine i choose to stand by the people I suffer with, maybe you’re not american which explains your inflamatory rhetoric around this. So youre telling me i should be more upset with the millions of people who didnt vote, still record turnout i might add, and not my trump loving neighbors who have been harassing my family for years?? Thats stupid, you can admit it.
Then what is your point?
I made it already. It was that big long rant that started this conversion, do I need to copy and paste it for you?
Try convincing someone like rhoeri of that.
They’d rather deflate the popular anti-wealth momentum within their own party just so they can deflect attention away from inequality, and thats why they’ll continue losing. You and I know that, but people like the above will continue placing blame on voters who are increasingly frustrated instead.
That’s how libs end up collaborating with fascism - they’re too invested in the existing and failing capital structure
There’s none so deaf as those who are really deaf
I don’t know if it’s a legacy of organized religion or a devolution into tribalism, but they seem to see “vote blue no matter what” as the biggest part of their identity.
I’d rather put the blame where it lies.
Like Musk blaming Tesla’s poor performance on people boycotting his fascist behavior.
No, it’s like a voter blaming ninety million non-voters for not voting for a man who told them this would all happen.
Let’s not resort to analogies here. It is exactly what it is.
ninety million non-voters
Better start blaming them for chattel slavery too, then.
Okay non voters, should we go lynch them or something? Come the fuck on
I’m sorry, am I not allowed to be angry that the assholes that helped cause this stand among us pretending to be victims of their own action??
Yes! You should be angry at the DNC for their shit platform.
To reiterate, I voted, people voted for trump too you know. If we had a perfect election system to begin with there would not be a non voting demographic, now as much as i would too like to live in that reality, that isnt this one. If im going to somehow find more contempt to millions of americans rather than the few up top, right now, I’d be a sad sack of shit.
Am Not an American . Are the Democrats now doing something to be more appealing in the future, or they just rely on Trump to keep being awful?
I think this is hard for people from other countries to understand. Our Democrats are not an opposition party. We don’t have that concept in our system. I’ll admit I was naive to it before Trump started Trumping. Even after the first Trump I was thinking, “Well, that was fucking dumb. Glad we found our sanity again.” And I was wrong.
I wouldn’t have been able to articulate this before. I credit my time on Lemmy for some of it. But in reality you can’t explain any of this shit show UNLESS you accept that our entire political system is now structured to serve the rich at the expense of the peasants. Universal healthcare is a no brainer. Infrastructure like rail and renewables is a no brainer. Affordable childcare and reasonable wages is a fucking no brainer. UNLESS the incentives for those in power are not aligned with the good of the people.
Democrats don’t care that they’re not in power, as long as the establishment keeps getting paid.
Now, of course, there can be those like AOC and Sanders who buck that trend. Leaders with those types of values do tend toward the Democratic party. But those are the exceptions. And they can’t save us.
Jesus, somewhere there’s a GOP party operative that’s literally wondering whether or not he paid for that whole screed to depress turnout.
The Democrats are probably praying that Trump lives till he’s 1000 years old, otherwise they would need to do something more than not being Ttump
they would need to do something more than not being Ttump
The only thing not being Trump has gotten them so far was one more term of an old white guy who was barely left of the right.
At the moment, our fiercest Democrat just voted for the new law to allow The government to censor anything on the internet they don’t like. I think it’s fair to say it’s not going well.
Funny, why don’t you name the law and let people look it up and read what it actually says? Are you talking about S.146, a bill to prohibit the nonconsensual online publication of intimate visual depictions of individuals, and requiring platforms to remove it upon request?
So in other words, if someone posts nudes of you online and you object to it, this law would require the site to take it down upon your requesting it… is THAT the censorship you are crying about??
I think now is a good time for third party too get going. I’m sure a bunch of left leaning Democrats could take a good chunk of the vote and tea party the Democrats.
Political IQ Exam: Do you think voting for a third party candidate is a viable option in a First Past the Post system"
The answer to that question is the simplest way possible to identify a complete lack of political intellect.
We’ve passed a line, sans drastic things happening, there won’t be any meaningful votes anymore.
#resistance #liberal
Because no one deserves it more.
Truly the most evil demographic of people, non-voters.
Jesus christ shut up lol
Block me.
“You’re not voting FOR Harris, you’re voting AGAINST fascism!”
Harris is also a fascist, you just didn’t mind Palestinian babies being blown up by the most lethal military so you can have your “joy” of pretending she’s not fascist.
You didn’t listen.
You’re still not listening.
We could have avoided this.
Yes, yes, finish the thought though so you can fully appreciate how fucking evil it is. We could have continued living in thezone of interest, we could have continued to ignore American atrocities and put our head back in the sand, we could have just continued to slaughter kids so we can continue to buy cheap Chinese shit while wasting our lives away in an increasingly slave-wage paying country working double jobs to put food on the table.
We could have had all that back, if we just said fuck it, let them just win.
YOU HAVE LEARNED NOTHING, and Americans deserve everything that’s coming to them. Every asshole constantly telling us “oh look the leopards are eating your face” as our communities are freaking out and family members disappearing deserves everything that’s coming when it’s your turn. I hope no one is left for you when we’re all gone.
you are a moron
Now put here your copypasta about ranked voting!
I rest my case.
I rest mine. I’m in the process of acquiring foreign papers for my family so we can escape before they shove us in a concentration camp, and you are yelling that you have the moral high ground because my family deserves it because we didn’t vote for the person literally bombing the rest of our family.
You are nice Nazis, they’re just honest about it.
You didn’t vote. And you’re running away to allow everyone else to deal with it?
Yeah. Please. GTFO.
Your comment won’t be popular here in the fediverse among Americans, and neither will mine, likely. But as an American I wanted to say I can appreciate your position. What OP’s rant looks like to an outsider is almost the same as what OP is complaining about. I get that a vote for Dems was just a vote for a less shitty situation close to home. To someone whose family is being killed by American supplied arms it is fascist shit all the way down. The schadenfreude you are feeling toward America is the same as that OP is expressing toward non-voters. Some version of, “How do you like the results of your shitty actions?”
Being in the thick of it I have a hard time with the “tear it all down as fast as possible” position. But, I get it.
Upvoted for bringing broader perspectives to Lemmy. Whatever comes next we can’t afford not to see the bigger/biggest picture.
Thank you for this, the contempt the original comment shows how very unprinciplaled they are: missing the forest for the trees and throwing their brothers and sisters under.
throwing their brothers and sisters under.
No, you did this by refusing to vote against it. Now you walk away from them, having not even tried to save them.
Jfc 3 times i voted for harris, if you stop assuming shit maybe you’ll make less of a fool of yourself.
Well said brother.
I held my nose and voted for Kamala, but 2016, 2020, and 2024 should have been cakewalks for Dems but they refuse to win the easy races by picking the worst candidates, sure 2020 fell for Dems but that wasn’t for lack of trying to lose. The Democrat party keeps putting their fingers on the scale for the losing option in the primaries.
Here nor there. 2024 should have been a no-brainer. And from the results…
It truly was.
You shitlibs still don’t get it, do you? You didn’t “see this coming”, you reacted too late. And now you throw pathetic tantrums because you desperately need someone else to blame.
The undecided movement was shouting from the rooftops, for over a year, that supporting a genocide will cause the democrats to lose the election. Instead of listening, people like you doubled down on Genocide Joe. Your flippant comments about an ongoing genocide betray your lack of morality on this subject.
And now that the data is in, it’s safe to safe to say the Undecided movement was right. But unfortunately for your reactionary left-punching, the data also shows that even if all third party voters voted for Harris, she still would have lost. You have to invent a whole class of voters- some nonexistant millions of leftist voters who stayed home out of spite or stupidity- for your ragebait hypothesis to make any sense.
Harris did not lose because of a failure of her voters, she lost because of a failure of messaging. She did not move her campaign to oppose Genocide Joe’s evil policies and it cost us all dearly.
If anyone was needing an example of who it was I was talking about, it’s this guy right here.
lol…
He said “shitlibs” without an ounce of irony!
By the way, I stopped reading at the “shitlibs” part. Hilarious though…
Well if you ignore reasoned argument and try to deflect with cultural pablum then you’re just proving my shitlib accusation correct.
sHiTLiB …derp!
the non-voters either dint bother voter, or said it doesnt affect them right now.
“The democrats could rape me and kill my family and I still would vote for them. I expect everyone else to do the same, you fucking assholes.” 😢
I rest my case.
Maybe one day you will realize it is the complete and willing ineptitude of democrats domestically and their never-ending bloodlust in foreign policy that got us here in the first place and then you will be correct when you righteously shake your fists while scolding them.
It’s a big maybe.
How’s all that nothing you did working out for Gaza right now, bud? Happy for your decisions? No? Yeah, I get that. I see it too and it’s a huge bummer. Well…
Did your lack of effort do well for your loved ones in the LGBTQ+? No? Okay, well…
What about all the women in your life? Do you think your inaction helped them in a way you fell they deserved?
Meh…
Either way, I’m not debating this shit with you. You’re unhinged and incapable of being reasoned with.
Ignore the history of how this country came to this place of disaster, and keep telling yourself it will be the democrats who save you.
You keep trying these dumbass arguments, but you have the memory of a goldfish. Let’s try working your points.
Gaza? The Gaza that Biden bombed for 14 months and competely annhilated? That Gaza? The one that he never once asked them to stop murdering innocent men, WOMEN, and CHILDREN by dropping illegally shipped 2000lb bombs on their makeshift tents? That sounds like women’s rights to me. Actually that sounds exactly like the kind of human rights I want my leaders to effectuate.
Why was Biden bombing Yemen - which Trump continues to do?
Do you know what the Leahy Act is? Do you know Biden and Obama violated it regularly?
Remember when AOC said Harris was “working tirelessly for a ceasefire?” Oh yeah that was a lie.
You know all those student deportations taking place under Trump are the direct result of Biden ordering police into campuses to break up the peaceful protests right?
You realize the deporter in chief Marco Rubio was voted for unanimously by the voting senate. 99-0 including Bernie. Man if democrats really wanted to save the country they would have put up somewhat of a fight here.
Remember how Bided said “we can work together on this issue of Gaza so it’s in the best interests of the American public.” That’s right - he didn’t do anything like this because the democrats are not democratic.
You still don’t see how democrats disastrous policies led us here? I didn’t think so.
Oh hey did you ever hear about what Obama did in Iraq and Syria?
Or how about Libya?
Maybe Juan Guiado has a comment on the issue?
Maybe you remember the US coup against Ukraine in 2014 under Obama which has led to this current disaster?
Why was a worthless junkie with no experience or qualifications in energy or in anything other than getting high while blowing loads of dad’s money getting paid handsomely by a foreign energy company to serve as a board member?
Remember voting in the democratic primary? Oh yeah they blocked everyone from that too. Real democratic shit here.
Remember when democrats protected Roe v Wade and it wasn’t overturned? Wait that’s not right.
Or how about when democrats passed a highly stripped down version of Obamacare, and if you didn’t at least have some shitty marketplace insurance you were taxed for it?
Hey remember when democrats pledged a $15 minimum wage and then folded when some dude with a position I have never heard of claimed authority over your represented officials?
There is no debate here. You will do whatever they tell you to do despite the overwhelming evidence that could not be more clear than in this prescient moment of chaos. What are they doing? What legal tactics do they have? What populist tactics do they have? They are going to totally extinguish the rage of voters with these no-objective 50501 and fight the oligarchy rallies.
Protest need demands - what are the democrats concrete demands?
Democrats aren’t doing anything to help us. In fact they paved the way for Trump’s policies. They could have done anything and still don’t anything except pageantry.
What did Cory Bookers 28 hours speech that was applauded by democrats everywhere actually accomplish?
People, do not listen to this DNC propagandist. They will not tell you the whole truth simply because they don’t understand and they don’t care to.
I think I already said I’m not going to argue with your unhinged rhetoric.
if you truly believe what you just said, then i assume you are currently plotting to overthrow the current admin. otherwise, you’re just an armchair quarterback or working for the other side.
Are you working to overthrow the current administration? Is that what all the gun talk is about?
Why haven’t you taken action yet? Armchair qbing or paid shill?
No, the correct paraphrasing is
“When given the choice between a less than perfect, but educated, compliant and compassionate candidate, and Hitler-without-class, pick the first one, otherwise you’ll get the second.”
When you are done on your soapbox, maybe talk about what can be done instead of who you blame.
i agree with rhoeri, but you make an excellent point. the past is the past. we can learn from our mistakes when we have a future to look forward to.
The bed is made, all we have left to do now is lie in it.
Moving forward, the best thing that can happen from this is to ensure that those that caused it see the damage they helped create so that if we ever have the opportunity again, they’ll have learned from it.
And I’ll be on this soapbox until I feel like I’ve said my fucking peace.
Block me.
Have you learned we can change our voting system so people can vote how they want yet? Do you need some informative videos to explain our current First-past-the-post voting system and the alternatives that let people vote how they want?
So what exactly are you doing to clean up the Democrat Party of a leadership who managed to lose against none other than Donald Trump, TWICE?
Or are you just another tribalist muppet that thinks “the chief is always right and needs not concede anything to anybody and it’s everybody else who has to just do what the chief wants” hence rages against those who are not of your tribe and didn’t follow the wishes of your “chiefs” rather than against your “chiefs” for not even trying to appeal to those other people?
Because it would’ve been way easier for the handful of people in the Democrat Party leadership to, rather than totally refusing to care as they did, listen to and start addressing the concerns of the millions who were hesitant in voting Democrat, than for those millions of voters to magically change their minds when the party which should have been trying to appeal to them couldn’t give a rat’s arse about their worries.
Singlehandedly giving .world it’s reddit archetype.
Yawn…
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“We should punish those who objected to a broken system” sounds pretty fascist to me.
They punished themselves just fine.
praise the lord, but really… it’s time to think about what the people have to do to reign this nightmare in.
I hope they have the life they voted for.
Same.
I have so many idiot friends who said “I’m not voting for Harris cause of Israel”. I’m betting that line was a plant by the Republicans or Putin. but it stuck. and my friends bought it hook line and sinker.
line was a plant
Didn’t need to be, the whole point of the Israel support was to sow the division. It was designed to be a no-win scenario on the left, orchestrated by the right, and the dino’s. The defense contractors win, there’s a stock angle to play and the collapse of support for the left.
The truth is, the left is not listening. They haven’t been for a long time. But not voting left wasn’t about to change any of that. Half the left is owned by the right. This takeover wasn’t overnight, it was over decades. Even if we managed to squeek in Harris, it would only have been another 4-8 years and we’d be back here.
Unless something drastic happens, we will stay a fascist dictatorship.
Just people with principles. This “non voters cost us the election” is a nonsense division tactic. Stop going after people for voting their conscience and morals. You’re just making it easier for the fascists.
Not all non voters are equal thanks to our shitty election system. Swing states, ill give you that one. Those folks contributed but are still not the reason he won. Some dude in Michigan who sat out is not the same as a dude in Tennessee. One matters much more than the other.
I choked back my vomit (yet again) to participate in a process I abhor and yet again it didnt amount to shit. Maybe work on getting that extra third of the electorate instead of kneecapping a portion who will show up if you’re reasonable because you need them. And no, i don’t believe supporting genocide is reasonable.
You’re just making it easier for the fascists.
Letting the fascists win the presidency and both houses in the election made things a hell of a lot easier for them.
I get the perspective, i do. But this is part the problem. The center are mad because the left took a stand when they were ignored. Now the center want to punch left as always instead of concentrating on the enemy at hand even when the left still showed up.
Focusing on a minority of people and blaming them instead of the tens of millions who made that decision consciously is only hurting the side trying to fight it and at the same time alienating the people who actually fight fascists consistently. It is self defeating. How does nobody else see this?
Just people with principles.
idealists are a liability. naive suckers.
Lol. Idealists because they don’t support people who lie and tell them they are working towards an end to a genocide when they arent? A lie they have now admitted?
Democrats shovel their lies about working toward a ceasefire and naive people eat it up. I showed up and voted against my principles and morals yet again despite knowing it was a lie and centrists in the democratic party still cant help but blame other people for their own failures.
It wasn’t the left that cost Kamala the spot. It was 70million fascists.
70million fascists.
sounds like we need a final solution then.
Or, here’s the apparently radical third option… do what the voters want and reel Bibi/Givir/Smotrich in, or at the very least stop giving Israel outright political cover. “Israel gets to do war crimes and/or genocide… and you pay for it” was a uni-party stance in the 2024 cycle, and it’s fucking infuriating. I expect the right to back Israel reflexively, but I did NOT expect to see y’all pull the mental gymnastics make yourselves be okay with it. And then have the gall to shout down and bully away criticism of the party’s complicity.
If your candidate can mostly be summed up as “less shit” then that damning sales pitch to get the ‘apolitical normie’ vote out to win elections s. Kamala barely stood tall on any firm policy - let along a coherent platform, didn’t distance herself sufficiently from Biden, and didn’t respond to voters’ legitimate economic anxieties. At that point a demonstrable lies become the sound bites differentiating Trump from Kamala.
If their candidate is the only thing standing between a half-assed working system of government, and an outright dictatorship- and you don’t vote for them…
well, we see very well what happens, don’t we?
I don’t know about you, but I sure as shit am glad we dodged that “no policy having, pro-democracy” bullet, eh?
I mean… things are SO much better without that obnoxious democracy getting in the way.
If their candidate is the only thing standing between a half-assed working system of government, and an outright dictatorship- and you don’t vote for them…
I did, so put the straw man away. In a swing state, because I understand that at a minimum I’m negating someone else’s R vote. I’m following politics outside the election cycle and aware of the FPTP game. You can make the “less shit” argument to me, and have it work because I recognize it’s true.
But that’s exactly my point about the apolitical and/or low propensity ‘normie’ voters - Trump has confidence and an answer for everything, if you ignore the absence of details. Harris struggled/refused to define herself and her platform - effectively giving that job to the media and the opposition. “Everything will stay fundamentally the same” was a vote loser for most of America this cycle, and that was the Democratic platform.
I don’t know about you, but I sure as shit am glad we dodged that “no policy having, pro-democracy” bullet, eh?
In a way, kinda? Trump is on a fascism speed run through the Project 2025 goals, and has a sycophantic circle of incompetence around him that keeps making blunders atop his own. Going this hard and this fast has had blowback, with him tanking his approval rating accordingly in record time.
Were he an actually steady hand that could play long chess, build coalitions, and quietly place plans in motion? Deport worst-of-the-worst criminals instead of literally whoever is brown, quietly subvert NATO and hamstring the unified command instead of JD and Hegseth chastising Europe and openly questioning Article 5, give Israel/Saudis a browbeating in public whilst increasing arms sales instead of ‘hell yeah, kill them all’ tweets, etc
Effective dictatorship I fear a lot more than an incompetent strongman. People bend and mold themselves to the former over time, the latter rips off the bandage too fast and pisses off voters who form resistance coalitions.
Yep. They sure as shit did.
I want the world to end, and soon. Harris would’ve delayed the end by an unacceptable amount.
The end of the world is good for business, you know. And it’ll be fun to experience.
Nicely put. And on an ozma post to boot.
