• mesamunefire@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    So…those of you who have lived though things like this, realistically what can an individual do?

    Im talking beyond voting. Stock up on things? Get to know all my neighbors?

    Because of an earlier Executive order, ICE (and related law enforcement) no longer needs to have a warrant. Now we are talking about militarizing local police forces. What happens if my family and I get disappeared?

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      Organize. Organize. And organize.

      Not speaking from experience, but if history has taught us anything, the best course of action is practicing mutual aid. Talk to locals. And arm yourselves.

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      Many Germans were wondering the same thing nearly a hundred years ago.

      Some of them decided to move while they still had the chance. You could say it’s traditional to move across the ocean if your country becomes a totalitarian dictatorship. The other options aren’t that nice though. Once the system falls apart you could be judged for just going with the flow.

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        No country is going to be welcoming to refugees from a shithole country like America, and our notorious reputation for arrogance isn’t going to work on our favor.

        If you have a lot of money, or have an in-demand skill, perhaps they’ll take you, but any American in a new country is going to face the same difficulties that immigrants in America face - discrimination, crime, exploitation, difficulty in finding jobs, bigotry, etc.

        Better to stay in America and fight back.

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        Where can Americans even go? It’s not like immigrating is easy, most of us can’t afford it and Western Europe is no guarantee considering vlad is breathing down their neck

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          If you face:

          • danger of torture
          • risk to your life
          • risk of cruel and unusual treatment or punishment

          https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/asylum/in-canada/eligibility.html

          If you enter Canada from the U.S.
          […]
          Your claim may not be eligible if you entered Canada from the U.S.:

          • at an official land border crossing
            or
          • anywhere along the border, including rivers, lakes and other waterways, and made a refugee claim less than 14 days after the day that you entered
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            Those are some pretty interesting conditions. Sounds like in order to make this work, you shouldn’t enter through an official land border crossing. Instead, you should enter through other means (plane, ship, rocket), but you should also just chill out as a tourist for two weeks before making a refugee claim. Makes me wonder what’s the rationale behind this.

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              Yeah, I don’t quite get it myself. The only thing I can think of is that it might be designed for American citizens living abroad, but I can’t quite figure out why there either.

              Maybe it’s just being onerous enough to discourage all but the most serious attempts.

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            Canada and some European countries have accepted refugees from the US but from what I’ve read it’s incredibly rate and requires and extraordinary amount of proof that your life is under threat and you have no other choice than to move to those countries.

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              Occasionally, I watch some queer videos on YT, just to see how they see the world from their perspective. Recently, the tone has shifted and some are even advising other people to go back into the closet. Especially gender minorities appear to be afraid of what’s going on these days. Maybe someone in that category could convincingly claim that their life is in danger. I wonder if it also applies to gay people.

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                Gay and transgender people are the only cases I’ve heard of people being accepted as refugees from the United States in Canada

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              I’d imagine that’s because of the STCA, but there seems to be a loophole where it doesn’t apply if you enter via water and don’t claim refugee status before 14 days.

              If I were really determined, I’d at least ask an immigration lawyer about it, and then I’d plan on taking a 2 week camping trip in Canada when I thought shit was likely to go down.

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          Vlad can’t do shit in Western Europe. The bigger danger are our own right wing assholes pushed by Russia, American owned (social) media and TikTok

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      Check in with friends and family regularly. If you go missing, have them report it and call your lawyer.

      Ideally you wouldn’t let them take you alive, since CECOT is a death sentence anyway.