I’ve watched IT Crowd half a dozen times.
I haven’t managed to finish an episode of BBT before I switch it off in disgust.
I’ve only seen the one episode of BBT, I think the first one, where a goddamn theoretical physicist spends a whole day forgetting the basic properties of light.
My family stared at me the whole time, expecting me to find it funny. Then THEY got mad at me when I said that was the dumbest shit I’ve seen in a while. Later I found out that Sheldon uses Ubuntu and brags about it.
But, okay, dumb jokes aside - the show doesn’t explore any concepts or situations in new and interesting ways And THAT’S why it’s bad.
Shelden uses linux. Hahahaha. That’s it. A good writer could make a whole episode about that, alone, and it would be hilarious. Imagine him on internet forums. Imagine him fumbling during a talk because his laptop wouldn’t work with whatever vidchat/system/software his hosts used, and getting haughty about it. Imagine Sheldon traveling across the country to “fix” an entire auditoriums tech to run on Arch after his failed remote speech. Walking away all “You’re Welcome” as the staff can’t figure out how the fuck to use it.
Funny, but now you’re talking about the layman being cut out. Ratings won’t survive and it dies after one season. But that would be better lol
For sure it’s no contest. Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Cooper always tries to walk it in.
In my mind, I still picture this as the archetype of an office’s boss inside a boss’s office. If it doesn’t have the 4th breaking wall picture, then it’s a fake boss
FATHEERRRRRRR!!!
I warmed up to BBT after watching Young Sheldon. all the criticisms of BBT still stand but for some reason I just wasn’t miserable watching it. had a few laughs even.
BBT is a show about smart people for dumb people. The IT Crowd is a show about smart people.
If BBT was made today it would be accused of being written by AI. Fully flanderised characters, and endless filler episodes.
AKA “The Chuck Lorre Special”
The big bang theory was not for geeks or nerds. It was pure shit.
It had a good few first episodes with fun geeky jokes, but it quickly turned to bad jokes and lazy stereotypes and relied loosely on stereotypes to contain the geekyness.
Misogynistic pure shit.
No… the IT crowd is a sitcom FOR geeks. That other shit just makes fun of us
I believe this is what happened to Dr Who. When it started it was for science and history nerds, science sounding gobble-de-gook, cos play outfits, very low production values (the infamous duct tape boots). All just good fun.
When it was rebooted the focus had shifted. The Doctor as the cool guy, a Jesus figure, became more and more pronounced. They started to make fun of nerds on a regular bases. Amazing writing and production values, but at some point during the Tennant era I stopped watching in disgust.The original Doctor Who was an educational show mostly aimed at school aged children that used a sci-fi gimmick to teach history lessons (much of which are a bit outdated now). They would alternate storylines between future and past settings through most of William Hartnell’s run.
Towards the end of classic Who it was already much more like modern Who than those first seasons.
I only started with NuWho, watching it as it came out in 2005.
I found it magnificent, exactly because it shied away from glorifying violence, made emotions be the focus of things and there was clearly some large over-arching thing with “Bad Wolf”, but it wasn’t like in the American shows, where if there’s a clue to be seen, the camera zooms in on it, making sure you can’t miss it.
I gather you are right, and NuWho is way more American and hero-centric than Classic Who — but because it was and I was a teenager enjoying shows like Prison Break at the time — I got into Who, and then into better British shows, better shows in general, chasing that sort or good pacifist writing. Star Trek is ofc prolly the best franchise when it comes to actual philosophy. Doctor Who elicits emotions more than thought when compared to the Star Trek Ethos, albeit in a more profoundly British way.
Uuh there’s actually a new episode of Dr Who tonight that reminded me.
Oooh, it’s out already. And I have a few glasses of rum left. And a steak. And a pint of red. Ooooooh. This is turning out to be a nice day.
Anyway tldr completely agree with you, but I think going a bit American with NuWho was a crucial step in luring in more watchers to start appreciating the good things. Kinda how for a kid, it’s easier to learn to eat a new dish when you introduce it bit by bit or with copious amounts of ketchup or something — slowly teaching them that the bitterness is what makes it tasty.
No no IT Crowd is a show about sysadmins, not geeks lol. There’s a very clear difference.
And Moss was a nerd not a geek. He wasn’t obsessing about comics, videogames etc. like the characters in BBT.
Flashbacks to the rett & link “nerd VS geek” music video
That came out 12 years ago
I also think this is a cultural difference. The comic book obsession seems more like an american thing. In the Netherlands and Belgium there is also a big comic book appreciation, but it’s much less about heroism and more humorous.
Okay but he didn’t obsess about the British equivalent of comic books either. Geeks obsess about consumerist pop culture whether it’s comics, LEGO or Harry Potter. And Moss did non of that.
Yes, in the proportion of furries vs weebs.
I watched one random episode of BBT after it was recommended to me by a few people. That one episode was enough for me to decide that I never want to see that show again, and also that I should disregard all recommendations from the people who said I should watch it.
The laugh track alone is enough evidence
IT Crowd also has a laugh track.
It tends to use it after actual jokes though.
There is a laughtrack in IT Crowd too…
I watched a scene where someone posted it without the laugh track and it was super cringey. Semi-related note… Taking the laugh track out of BBT ruins it, but taking Garfield out of Garfield comics takes it to a new level, see here -> https://garfieldminusgarfield.net/
I do prefer the Realfield edits, that replace Garfield with a normal cat.
Gives mire crazy cat guy than mental illness vibes.
Taking the laugh track out of anything ruins it. You are replacing laughter with dead air.
I’d be interested to see an edit of classic sitcoms with laughs (tracks or live), edited to remove both the laugh and the associated pause in the performance.
There would be more cuts than a fight scene from Taken. It would be super distracting.
You might like the Heathcliffe without Heathcliffe posts right here on Lemmy https://lemmy.world/c/heathcliff
this thread feels strange to me. anyone else?
I’ve recently been feeling as though astroturfers have finally discovered lemmy (and recognized their lack of features to detect vote-rigging).
Just a feeling though, and nothing concrete to back it up.
If anyone is wondering, it’s totally okay to like both.
Please elaborate.
So, image there’s a pop band that a lot of people like called “Apples.” They like them because of all the reasons a typical person generally likes a pop band. For instance, the songs are easy to understand, the members are talented, the songs are catchy, they’re not too complicated… things like that.
Now imagine there’s another band people like, but they play rock, and they’re called “Oranges.” So, Oranges are liked because they’re a bit darker, but more relatable. Maybe they’re a little grittier, but they’re more centered and realistic with their songs and also very talented.
Now, picture a dude named Gary.
Gary likes both Apples and Oranges because his music tastes are diverse. He doesn’t care about falling into groups that feel the need to chastise and ridicule others for what they like when it doesn’t make a single difference in the lives of anyone other than Gary himself.
I would say they’re like apples and oranges but they’re more like apples and hand grenades. They only vaguely resemble each other and I love them both.
The Brits try not to mix as much drama into their comedy. I appreciate that. BBT waxes pretentious then wains drama, I like it most when it’s in the middle.
All that said, I’ve seen the entirety of BBT maybe one and a half times, I’ve watched ITC probably a dozen times.
Okay.
I 'm agreeing with you, not sure why they’re dv you.
I’ll alway remember the time I was hanging out with my GF at her parents house and she mentioned that she was going to play D&D later and her moms boomer-ass friend just immediatly started cackling about how “it’s just like big bang theory!!”.
There was no joke or anything just “oh, yea I’m going over to xxxx’s house to play D&D later”. That was enough for me to never bother with that show.
That is the joke to them though. That’s literally what the show is like. It’s so bad.
BBT is a bad show, but that’s not a good reason not to watch it, that’s just a dumb person who can only relate to reality through media references.
Just to be clear I’m not saying to watch it, but that a stupid person liking something isn’t a reason to reject the thing…
Except that IS what passes as a joke in BBT. Just references to things without any humour except a laugh track.
but that a stupid person liking something isn’t a reason to reject the thing
Historically I’ve found that to be a very good indicator that I’m not going to like something. I’ve learned to trust my gut and I’ve seen enough clips of it since then to know my gut was right.
Correlation vs causation.
Yes, big bang is dumb, but just to pull a famous example Paul Ryan likes Rage against the Machine, sometimes people can feel a beat even if they can’t hear the lyrics.
Call it whatever you want I’m not changing my opinion. There’s plenty of shit that people I actually respect like and have recommended to me for me to watch. I don’t need to waste my time on slop that was created for morons.
I get you, but as someone who just started with the litrpg genre because i avoided it due to the people who liked it, I’m just saying that sometimes you may be missing something you love because most of the people who like it are dumb and most of the genre is garbage.
yeah, theres lots of litrpg trash, but most is certainly an overstatement. Also lots and lots of great novels. Not being bound by a publisher can be a blessing and a curse at the same time.
I’m not sure why they were so weirdly hostile and yet kept engaging when they clearly didn’t want to have a conversation about it.
In any case, I agree. Idiots are all over the place and like a lot of different things. Unless you only want to consume works that use obtuse language to scare away dumbos, you’ll have to reconcile with that fact. That is, of course, assuming the person doesn’t find certain forms of idiocy agreeable.
A older person has heard of DnD because of a sitcom and laughed when they meet someone who plays? And thats why youll never watch the show? I finally gave dnd a chance after freaks and geeks. Which for me was after almost two decades of playing magic.
Dont get me wrong, ive seen a few episodes of big bang and yea nothing you need to watch. But seems an odd reason to write it off if you like sitcoms … which the more I think about it a lot of sitcoms were nerd comedy. Best dam line out of friedns was alwazy “Ill prove it like a therom!!” And Frazier… And while never as cool as Homer, Lisa was always miles above Bart…
Sorry most of that was not actually in response to your comment. Hope the campaign is going/went well!
A older person has heard of DnD because of a sitcom and laughed when they meet someone who plays? And thats why youll never watch the show?
I guess you had to be there. This was not a “laughing with you” situation, and it indicated to me that the show was mostly just making fun of nerdy people so I wouldn’t enjoy it. That was enough for me. I’ve seen enough clips of it since then to know I was right.
You’re correct
If I had to rate the IT crowd out of ten, I’d give it 01189998819991197253
… 3
I’ll just put all the fire together
A very good metaphor for IT support
