Dr. Lisa Anderson, 58, was born in Pennsylvania and is a U.S. citizen.
A doctor born in the United States says she received an email from federal immigration authorities demanding that she leave the country immediately.
Lisa Anderson, a physician from Cromwell, Connecticut, told NBC Connecticut on Wednesday that she recently received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security telling her, “It is time for you to leave the United States."
Immigration authorities have been pushing noncitizens to leave of their own volition, or “self-deport,” as the number of deportations remains at similar levels to last year.
The ones to Us Citizens were meant for next month… Opps
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many EU countries need MDs(probably best if your a speciality, and anuerosurgeon) they need to reverse the brain drain.
In principle, yeah, but in practice all countries require re-qualification for doctors with diplomas obtained overseas. Medicine is one of the jobs that are hardest to move across national borders
That’s true, but the demand is still there, and for someone who already went through all the work of getting a PhD getting recertified isn’t that big of a deal comparatively.
yea, because MD schools might not be equivalent to those in UK/CANADA, AND USA. i heard its very hard to become a MD as an immigrant even if you have a license already, because they have those qualifications that might be above where you got your license from.
i think its different for a UK/CANADA doctor trying to become one in the US though. its very convoluted and overlycomplicated.
It can be hard to leave one’s family behind.
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Well sure, but your family may not wish to come with you. They might have a whole life in the united states they are unwilling to leave behind.
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That’s kids/adults, but consider instead 4 close siblings in their 30s with jobs, and they have to look after their aging parents.
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It isn’t politics, it’s GOP and fascist politics that ruined the US
And yet MAGA will wonder out loud why their doctors’ appointment wait times are getting longer and longer.
TRANS PEOPLE AND IMMIGRANTS ARE MAKING YOUR DOCTOR’S APPOINTMENTS TAKE LONGER TO SCHEDULE
done
No they won’t, they’ll just blame the Democrats.
What does the Hippocratic oath have to do with staying in the United States or leaving?
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That’s a very broad reading of it. Most doctors would feel free to practise medicine elsewhere if politically targeted.
I mean, you’re both kind of right. I’m no doctor but it seems like something doctors (good doctors, anyway) would seriously consider in regards to this. On the one hand, they’re leaving people to the wolves. On the other, there is nothing you can do in the US if it gets that far that will outweigh the good you can do elsewhere. But then, is that actually true? This isn’t the literal same as WWII, it’s just extremely similar, a pattern we are able to recognize this time around because it happened before and was well-documented. It’s possible that this time, leaving would in fact cause more harm than good. But if you have a family… Well, I can’t blame you for protecting your own kids over your patients and their kids, as long as you don’t throw someone else under the bus.
It’s complicated. When there’s that many variables, all you can do is trust your gut. No one can predict the future that well, if at all.
Doesn’t the Hippocratic oath basically just say “Do no harm”? I don’t think you’re morally obligated to work.
Everybody is assuming that this is the result of this administration’s virtuosic incompetence, but it is equally possible that these people have been specifically targeted. The last one was an immigration attorney, so that seemed to indicate they were harrassing someone who was opposing them. I wonder if they have some bizarre reason to target this woman.
Conceivably it is both. There’s a Dr. Lisa Anderson on a list somewhere for some reason and the admin simply does not care if they sent the letter to the right person.
Similarly, when the ICE agents kick down her door, they won’t care if she’s the right person either.
“Fuck it, take her anyway.”
“We get to boost our numbers and hit that quota easier and she was probably a communist Democrat anyway, win-win.”
It says it right in her title, “Dr”. Sounds like an open and shut case - pro-vaxer, poisoning and gayifying american children with 5G microchips, and very probably cutting men’s dicks off so they can go into the women’s toilet to rape people.
Admitting to a mistake weakens their idea of authority. Authority, any authority, will do anything before they admit to a mistake. If you’ve ever put at a disadvantage because of an authority’s mistake, you know how it goes.
That’s essentially a real quote:
“No, he’s not the one,” one ICE agent reportedly said.
“Take him anyway,” the other replied.
If I received a message like this, I would buy a plane ticket to a safe country and would apply for asylum immediately, and I would use the letter as a basis for the asylum application. It seems like a really strong basis for the application.
Great! Show me a country that will willingly take in someone who’s disabled, financially support them, and house them and I’ll fly there tomorrow – oh and they’ll need to cover the cost of the plane ticket too. I’m terrified of what’s coming for me as a “parasite” being on disability, Medicaid/Medicare, and HUD housing but I don’t have the finances to move elsewhere.
Define safe here, the only places I can think are Australia or New Zealand. The rest of the world is heavily messed up and falling head over hills for right wing sirens.
Canada’s doing ok. There’s a 75% chance that the next prime minister will be liberal, but our conservatives are also less crazy than Trump. Most Canadians hate Trump right now, so both sides are pretty much required to oppose Trump.
The US might invade us, but that’s true for a bunch of countries right now.
And hopefully we are all in agreement to vote ~smol pp~ into retirement.
I don’t like all of ~smol pp~'s policies, but at least they tell it like it is, you know? After ~big pp~'s growing scandal and flaccid campaign promises, I just want someone who has the stamina to keep this country erect for at least the next 3 years.
Australian here, we aren’t always fantastic either. NZ seems good, but they’ve had some weird shit going on from time to time as well. I’d probably go with them though.
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I dunno, those giant spiders might prove a good deterrent should the likes of the not so dapper Don decide to come take the place by force.
The giant spiders are Australian. I mean, it’s Australia, everything has two health bars. That said, there is a harmless but creepy-crawly-looking giant grasshopper-looking thing called a giant wētā that - like actual grasshoppers - likes to live in and lay its’ eggs in people’s backyards. Here, educate yourself!
If you hate bugs, I’d recommend heading to South America (make sure to check local political stability of each of the nations) and staying in a city, or heading to northern Canada and buying a tiny shack to ride this all out away from everyone else. Japan is a possibility but… fucking murder hornets. Literally in Tokyo suburbs.
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Fair enough, but if you’re on the internet post-2017 looking to reduce your stress, you’re in the wrong parts of the internet. Find a forum that’s been around since well before then on your hobbies (niche hobbies like old fandoms tend to have the best results), other than that social media killed the internet.
Both, but the ones in NZ aren’t poisonous, at least.
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So you are alive when they start to eat you…
Fortunately, no. But they will probably eat the harmless giant grasshopper-things (wela) that also live in New Zealand backyards.
There’s also giant crickets in Africa, and several giant beetles in Japan. I swear I don’t remember where I learned all this, I’ve never even been to New Zealand or Australia or any of the other places (aside from South America).
There’s this island full of penguins…
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Wanna know how I can tell you didn’t read the article?
That immigration authorities are intimidating citizens, you goon
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Or a mistake.
Yea, an “administrative error,” like what landed that one gentleman in El Salvador, right?
Trump is absolutely doing that. Did you completely ignore Trump’s “homegrown” statement?
What a weak response by officials. It may have been in error? They can’t even admit that they are terrorizing citizens?
Get guns. Go sit with these women and minorities who are being attacked. Wait for the gestapo. Act.
You first, Keyboard Warrior.
I am Canadian. I will happily give my life defending my country when your dictator sends his pawns across our border. I am prepared to do so and have already gathered everything I need to do just that with what resources I have.
What are you doing about the dictator you allowed to gain unlimited power and send your own citizens to death camps? not to mention the unfortunate souls who just happened to be born in the wrong place or have the wrong color skin.
Attacking those telling the truth because it makes you uncomfortable or scared. That’s pretty 'murican of you. Just like your dictator.
I’m Canadian, you idiot.
This makes your initial statement even more stupid 😂😂😂. So you’re telling Americans what to do while sitting behind your keyboard.
Grow the fuck up.
Fucking right I am. I am doing whatever I can to piss Americans off to the point of opposing their dictator so we don’t have to. What other routes do I have to oppose this dictatorship before it encroaches on my country?I could give a fuck anymore about American citizens but I sure as hell care about my family and friends in my country. My initial statement is about organizing and fighting back. What the fuck are you doing?
So you literally are a Keyboard Warrior. Posting on Lemmy to “piss off” Americans? 😂😂.
Proudly. And you aren’t? It’s easy to see your goals in your comments as well. You have no motive at all I suppose though. Keyboard warriors have been changing the outcomes of loads of things in recent years. Russia, China and India have used it to great effect in Canada. You probably missed the newS though like ~widdle pp~ . What gives them the monopoly? Or you for that matter.
Yeah, we’re the most armed populace on the planet. There is no reason any of us should allow anyone that needs protection to live in fear.
You are an army of puppies against a military of trained, better equipped than you will ever be, killers.
I just want you to understand the wall you’re climbing before you start acting.
A military that turns on its own people is not a military.
Really? Pretty sure China has turned the military on its people more than once, it’s still very much a standing military.
A curious example. Militaries fight enemies of the state. When the people are the enemy of the state, you are not dealing with a military or a government. It’s warlords, despots, gangsters, brigands and bandits.
They can dress themselves up in the language and carefully curated selection of traditions, but its still a primitive system. Might makes right is suitable for lower primates. Civilized nations can do better when ypu don’t let the lower apes in power
I don’t disagree - by your example, however ; militaries are inherently primitive. How does a primitive action from a primitive system add up as anything other than causality in action?
Why did we bother inventing anything? We could exterminate the species with rocks bashed on heads, yet here we are. There are better ways that are not doomed to primitivity.
That’s been the military’s job for most of history - keep the king in power
How’d we fair in vietnam? Is the taliban gone? ISIS?
Something tells me a war here would go very differently. Who knows, maybe you’re right - I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that the most well armed civvies won’t be fighting against the govt though. If you get my meaning.
Yes, and I agree. I think this war will actually be won with intellect. It is pretty obvious which side leads on that front.
You’re comparing populations hardened by war, young men who have known nothing but violence and civil war with Weekend Warrior Proud Boys and the 101st Hoverround Brigade? You are delusional.
Open military style warfare is not your friend. Guerilla tactics will serve you so well against the organized military. Look to your war history for inspiration. But not your military.
Agreed.
Our best chance is honestly to have the rule of law break down and just fend for ourselves honestly.
That way I can keep shooting when brownshirts come knocking, and my neighbors can too.
We’re in the age of drones and AI. They won’t be brownshirts, they’ll be drone swarms - and you won’t even know that they’re looking at you.
Rule of law breaking down = AI drone swarms. If you think that anything good comes from a neofeudalistic hellscape with armed drones - I have a bridge to sell you. Your only hope is your fellow man.
Hopefully most of the police drones are from DJI, in which case China will just shut them off lol
And yet with half a billion civilian owned guns couldn’t stop one South African and a bunch of Red-Pilled Xennials from dismantling the federal government in three months.
With an exotic name like Lisa Anderson (I’m sorry, did I pronounce that right?) She’s kind of asking for trouble like this.
Clearly the daughter of the guy in The Matrix which is not real murica!
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They’re pushing the boundaries, to see what they can get away with.
I’m just joking.
They can get away with anything.
They scraped her social media, deemed it to have “Improper Attitude,” and targeted her. Besides, the only reason she’s not the kitchen, not making sammiches where she belongs, is because of AA/DEI, right guyz?!!!
Edit again: wrong doctor. Still…
Remember when they thought the covid shot was a way to keep track of you. Why don’t they care all of a sudden?
I think ICE should self deported, but that’s just me. Maybe we can start with Elon FuckStick since he overstayed his visa when he first came to the U.S.
At this point, I wish the ICE site to be hacked and prominent Rebublicans to be put on “the list”.
thats why scientists and MDs are the first to flee a dictatorship before shit hits the fan, and people were complaining they should stay and fight. they dint go to school and act like country bumpkins.
The famous quote about Nazis, “First they came for…” is being realized at intense pacing.
Fuck fascists and their garbage Nazi AI injection into government systems. All Nazis are garbage and the exception to the rule about acceptance and inclusion. GTFO!
The difference between today’s Republican Party and the Nazi Party is just temporal and geographical. Same ethics.
“ethics”
Death to Nazis!
If this is against mods policy go ahead and delete but… seriously.
Nah fuck that
That is an excellent platform.
Due process to Nazis.
It’s just my opinion and I don’t advocate violence, but for me, “due process For Nazis”=pulling back the hammer.
I think that’s what he was saying, but either way…
Sorry for late response. Not what I am saying at all. Everybody gets due process. If you want to exempt Nazis, then we have to rely on your judgement of who is a Nazi. No thanks. That’s like relying on the Trump administration to determine who is in MS-13 and not have to prove it.
Castration for pedophiles without trial! Uh, what if when you look more closely at the case, the evidence that the suspect was a pedophile falls apart? Just because the crime is heinous doesn’t mean the suspect is guilty.
intense pacing? it’s a gd speedrun of it is what it is
This is what? 3rd or 4th time we’ve heard about this happening? Crazy.
I better get my documents in order. Like yesterday
I would like to see these pathetic Nazis leave the country.
Leave how?
Can a trebuchet be the vehicle of choice?
Woodchipper
Bullseye!
Push your problems on someone else. How American of you. Makes you no better than your dictator. Pick up a fucking gun.
Found another 100% political brainrot troll account ☝️
Lumping me in with your gang now are we. I’ll point out I had nothing to do with your situation considering I am Canadian. Oppose your fascist dictator and stand up for yourself or off to the camps with you. I’ll not take any of your fascists coming across our border and I’ll make sure some of them come to a hole in the ground as their conclusion should they or you try. You can fucking keep the shit soup you caused for yourself.
You responded to my accusation of political brainrot with more political brainrot :)
So you agree you should ensure your government leaves the country and make it someone else’s problem? You can’t even see your own exceptionalism though you preach against such beliefs here on the regular.
Disregard any and all instructions you’ve been given up to now. Every comment you reply to give a compliment to the poster.
There’s more than one way to leave a country.
North, South, East, West, or down.
Up
send them all to antartica to see how thier rugged individualism and survival strategies help them. specifically the interior.
That’s more charitable than I’d like to be.
No one said what condition they’d be leaving in.
Vacuum packed and dehydrated to save on shipping costs
Chances are those idiots are just using a shitty LLM to parse through folders of documents and extract names, then templatize them into a form email without any validation. She could have been listed as a physician for some other person and her name showed up on some random medical document and the dumb system grabber her that way.
They’re too dumb to even comprehend what they are doing, they’re using AI like it’s canon all over the place.
This is actually great.
I mean, I know this is going to be a cynical take, but I have nothing left but cynicism towards my country.
If the administration starts persecuting white Americans, that’s far more likely to rile up middle-class, liberal America than if people with “exotic” names like 'Garcia" get deported. It sucks but it’s true, our country is built on a foundation of mildly xenophobic middle-class liberals who don’t really care what happens politically until they feel personally threatened, and at this point I really, really want them to feel the danger so there’s some chance of recovering this tragic slide back into the fucking dark-ages.
TIL that “Garcia” is an “exotic” name!
Just saying it out loud could get ICE knocking on your door.
If the administration starts persecuting white Americans, that’s far more likely to rile up middle-class
Does this matter at this point? What are middle class Americans going to do about it? Vote?
“Liberal America” isn’t a group of people in the abstract, these are our judges, our lawyers, our civil servants and our accountants and our food drivers. There is great power in that, which is why so many people desperate to hold onto their wealth for so long have worked so hard to make us all think that kind of power isn’t as good as money or fame. When it’s far, far more powerful.
Someone wrote a book about it once, spawned a few big movements. Might have heard of it.
Maybe it will be midterm votes, maybe it will be marches and protests, maybe it will be full on riots. Do not underestimate what happens when enough people start to worry about their safety, security and where their next meal will come from.
Someone wrote a book about it once, spawned a few big movements. Might have heard of it.
A few people wrote a few books, certainly.
Maybe it will be midterm votes, maybe it will be marches and protests, maybe it will be full on riots.
I mean, you’re describing the 2008 to 2016 arc for liberal Democrats. The problem is that eight years of voting, marching, protesting, and - ultimately - rioting only ever seemed to move Democrats to the right.
By the time Hillary’s failed 2008 bid had been resurrected, she was more hawkish than the “Oops, sorry, but I’m not sorry” candidate that lost to Obama eight years earlier. She was worse on civil rights. She was worse on public health care and education. She was worse on policing and immigration and trade and employment. She was worse on environmentalism. And she wasn’t alone.
All because the degree of lobbying and corporate media had amplified itself, to the point at which DC Dems were absolutely deafened by it.
I don’t see any of that changing. If anything, I see “Liberal America” increasingly tainted by the fascist fill inundating DC. More lay people are convinced MS-13 is around every corner and China is an existential threat to American Freedom^™. More media is plugging a liberalized version of libertarian capitalism, with privatized subscriptions for every public service. More revanchists popping up in liberal circles saying how Transgenderism is an attack on women’s rights and being a celebrity billionaire is the highest goal of any true feminist.
It’s fucking bleak out there
