• xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      16 days ago

      remember during george w bush when people were upset that they were training the national guard to arrest us citizens? they had actors yelling stuff like “im a us citizen! you can’t arrest me! this violates the constitution!” and stuff like that?
      ….
      that sure was scary….
      i think it comes down to grief and denial… people are very unable to cope with the idea that this could ever be real.
      “oh congress will stop him though, oh the supreme court wouldn’t let that happen… no way the military would go through with that… americans all have guns, they’d never do that”.

      also noteworthy that roger stone was caught talking about how they need a plan to take guns from all the leftists… by calling them enemies of the state….

      it’s sad but ignorant americans are victims too… id say victims of brainwashing as well.
      people who denied it don’t need a “ha i told you so!”, they need a, “what what did you say you’d do if it ever DID happen… because we’re here now in spite of our best hopes and doubts”.

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        The NG can be used as law enforcement by the Governors though. That’s a legitimate training for them to get …

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          well, i ought to dig up a source… but can’t stomach dig through news videos from w.
          but the things the people were being trained to say was disturbing….
          this was right around when people were saying the abundance of new FEMA camps was nefarious (i don’t know how many they really made).
          and homeland security created a national shortage of bullets for years, and some people found that to be ominous….
          actually, homeland security being used to enforce unlawful orders by doge is kinda ominous to me, considering the bullet thing…
          but yes, there’s a likelihood of NG being legitimately used to break up a violent protest or something…
          in the unfindable video clip i saw, sounded more like rounding random people up, training… but people are bound to yell mind fuck shit at NG no matter what reason they’re getting detained for…

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    17 days ago

    Let’s start with him, the legally confirmed biggest criminal in United States political history.

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    Media keeps saying “criminal.” Exercising Constitutional rights does now make anyone criminal, natural born citizen or not. I gave up on mediaite being unbiased long ago, but we need to call out language of complicity.

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      People forget that all the people the Nazi’s put in camps were also criminals. According to Nazi propaganda, they were responsible for the deaths of millions of Germans in WW1, for impoverishing hardworking Germans in the Great Depression and for terrorism in resistance to the Nazi regime.

      No regime ever has admitted to locking up an innocent person. No dictator has ever said “Yeah, I put innocent people in jail”.

      This is why we have separation of powers. The executive branch has zero authority to call anyone a criminal. Only the independent court system has that authority.

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        Oddly enough, Trump’s DOJ did straight up admit they sent an innocent guy in to El Salvador, and said they can’t get him back.

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          They also didn’t say he was innocent, the opposite actually. The official narrative is that he’s super guilty of a million crimes, he was just “administratively” deported incorrectly, however the deportation is still serendipitous and deserved.

          Obviously, he’s innocent. That’s clear for anyone except the most die-hard MAGA cultist. So, like, the average FOX viewer

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            What the courts say only matters if it’s enforced. We need daily fines, removal from power, or even imprisonment as a punishment for this.

            Remember, these are republicans, which are mostly (self proclaimed) “Christians.” These “Christians” need religion to tell them they will be punished for sinning because simply helping your fellow man is not a good enough “reward” for them. Everything is transactional.

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        Surely if presidents are able to appoint supreme court justices, there has never been separation of powers? And is that not a big part of why we’re in this mess now?

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      Paragraph 175 of the German code made homosexuality illegal. It had already been illegal under Weimer and the Reich before, with varying degrees of enforcement. The Nazis strengthened it, started going after even non penetrative sex.

      Pink triangle prisoners were among the lowest of the low, similar to Jews. The goal was to work them to death, in the brick works. Theres a lot of horrific fucked up sexual sadism when you read these accounts. (Having sex with a man is only gay if you love him, I guess)

      Then, when the camps were liberated:

      The American policy toward gay inmates in the US-controlled zone of occupation was based on the Handbook for Military Government in Germany Prior to Defeat or Surrender, which was compiled by the Combined Chiefs of Staff of the US Military in 1944. Part of the Handbook was dedicated specifically to directing American troops how to classify and handle the large number of concentration camp survivors. The policy for those interned based on criminal actions stated, “Ordinary criminals with a prison sentence still to serve will be transferred to civil prisons.” Since many pink triangle prisoners had been convicted of violating Paragraph 175, a law of the German Criminal Code that predated the Nazi regime, the Americans also classified them as criminals. Therefore, those who had not finished serving their sentence were often transferred to prisons.

      Homosexuality remained illegal in West Germany until the 70s. This also meant that there weren’t even accounts of the things that happened in those camps, because the social stigma didn’t go away…

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    I suspected about two weeks ago that I would, at some point, be a likely candidate for being sent to CECOT on the basis of daring to be transgender, and this is only more supporting evidence that it’s gonna happen.

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      Unfortunately you’re absolutely correct to be worried about this. Part of Project 2025 is the criminalization of Transgendered people under the rubric that they are inherently “pornographic”.

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    Ah shit. Orange Hitler finally floating his true intent. lets see what americans can do. please dont tell me you made fun of the French as pussies without backing up how much more aggressive american citizens can be demanding their own rights… lets see americans back it up!

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    17 days ago

    I look forward to hearing of Trumps very timely, very well earned death. I hope tomorrow.

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    We’ve already seen the creep: first it was violent illegal immigrants, then it was any illegal immigrants, then it was immigrants waiting for due process on their case, then it was green card holders - not necessarily a lot of them, but enough to establish precedents and see how far they can get.

    Now they’re saying “violent US citizen-criminals” - but they run the state that determines whether you’re a criminal and how violent your crimes was. Remember all those videos of non-resisting people being screened at by the cops “Stop resisting!”; remember bills in Florida and other states to label trans people sex offenders - that’s what we’re up against. Any resistance or non-conformity can and likely will be punished.

    "First they came for … "

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      Also worth mentioning that they’ve only been snatching people off the street, meaning people who didn’t have any active warrants. If they did have warrants, they probably would have been arrested already. They’re not deporting people who are already in prison. At this point, “criminal” means anyone suspected of a crime, and that suspicion extends to any kind of criminal record, even if you’ve already served time.

      Obviously, they’re going to drop the “criminal” pretense soon enough, but they will start grabbing ex-felons first. I’m terrified for members of my family who absolutely fit the description of these kinds of targets: ex-felons with tattoos who look vaguely brown.

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        I think it’s not new. “homegrown terrorist” -> “homegrowns”.

        I’m speculating they’re going to use that angle. Using precedents set by The War on Terrorism ™ to justify the next steps. The 50501 movement needs to be preparing organized legal supports for anyone who gets disappeared. I bet this is who they are going after next. Summer is coming. The protests are ramping up. What if it’s as soon as the April 19th event.

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        This is Lemmy, not Reddit. You can say Luigi Mangione. I’d say that would be my last straw but I’ve long since broken. I just don’t have direction.

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    This is unbelievable, I could be deported. Me and my Dad were born on a military base, but that will not matter or my Grandpa was a respected general. My name isn’t English, tattoos, but I’m white and don’t know Spanish. El Salvador will be a death sentence in more than one way.

    Like I’m telling the few people I have and it’s being downplayed, “that won’t happen”, " or “stay off the news and go have fun, you’re stressing out”. Like no, I’m gearing up for whatever comes, plan A to Z. I will NOT be torn away what I built for my family or my kids future.

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    The gays, the blacks, the Latinos, the homegrowns, anything to avoid words that humanize their targets. Conservatives are people no more and no less than those they target.

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    If there is no due process & the sentence is death, then Americans must resist arrest at all costs.

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      Americans are pussies and don’t understand what that means. they think screaming “please don’t” is enough.

      so many are going to be sent to their deaths because they were civil about it for far too long.

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    If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.

    I’m only joking a little.

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        Same, I used to just carry in my neighborhood while walking my dog but I’m daily carry now.

        -Gun toting democrat

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              “… People think they are smarter than me… Maybe… Maybe. But I have yet to find somebody who can outsmart bullet.” - Heavy (TF2)

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          Even during the fucking war the Union would let men off scot free if they’d pinky swear to go home and stay home. (And often they didn’t!)

          If we had done anything about Jan 6…

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      Hell, at this point if you’re non-white or an any-race non-Trump supporter. You’re the enemy and a criminal if you’ve ever spoken out against the administration, Israel, or for equal rights, etc.

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        To that I say: come at me assholes

        I’m a standard-issue white dude, I know my voice will be heard, so I speak out against this bullshit whenever and wherever I can.

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          This. White people need to be as loud as possible right now. The more pushback the more we can help protect the most vulnerable.

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      If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.

      I’m only joking a little.

      I’m pretty sure people have a theoretical right to protect themselves from illegal kidnappings regardless of who’s doing the illegal kidnapping. Either way, I don’t think a stance on protecting one’s self from kidnapping is that edgy or controversial of a stance as your comment seems to imply it is.