If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.
I’m only joking a little.
If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.
I’m only joking a little.I’m pretty sure people have a theoretical right to protect themselves from illegal kidnappings regardless of who’s doing the illegal kidnapping. Either way, I don’t think a stance on protecting one’s self from kidnapping is that edgy or controversial of a stance as your comment seems to imply it is.
Hell, at this point if you’re non-white or an any-race non-Trump supporter. You’re the enemy and a criminal if you’ve ever spoken out against the administration, Israel, or for equal rights, etc.
To that I say: come at me assholes
I’m a standard-issue white dude, I know my voice will be heard, so I speak out against this bullshit whenever and wherever I can.
This. White people need to be as loud as possible right now. The more pushback the more we can help protect the most vulnerable.
Would some sort of “Ruby Ridge” stand off be enough to get this to stop?
It won’t end until the US finishes southern reconstruction
Even during the fucking war the Union would let men off scot free if they’d pinky swear to go home and stay home. (And often they didn’t!)
If we had done anything about Jan 6…
I started carrying again. “Feared for my life” will ring very true with real consequences.
Same, I used to just carry in my neighborhood while walking my dog but I’m daily carry now.
-Gun toting democrat
He’s openly defying the court that handed him powers of an emperor. What else ya gonna do?
Emperor status doesn’t stop bullets
“… People think they are smarter than me… Maybe… Maybe. But I have yet to find somebody who can outsmart bullet.” - Heavy (TF2)
Fuck you, Trump. Make yourself an enemy to all. We will not back down.
And we’ll keep watching the USA fall. While you do nothing but post comments and downvotes. We’ll be here taking insults from him and defending Ukraine and nato treaties. While you all post, and downvotes. And order ubereats. And work. And voice super angry opinions in comment sections. Keep it up guys!
Look, Idk what I did to you, but I got more going on than just Lemmy. Sorry you dont see Sanctus out there IRL, you wont. I dont look like this.
I hope you’re not just a cosplayer. I highly doubt but sincerely hope. If you actually were legit, you would never risk an online presence at all.
Don’t cut yourself on all that edge, kid.
huh? its edgy to suggest you fight in the streets to prevent american citizens being sent to el salvador prisons to die? uh…. in my country thats way past the point of a general strike and riot
I’m curious how far you’d have to march to riot against the rulers of your country?
Lmao. This 🤡
then start arming and shooting and attacking border patrol personnel etc. fight back. talking online and going back to work tomorrow is sad and lame.
Oh keep downvoting. and keep talking big game. and keep not even getting up from your desk chair in your computer room/bedroom to do anything other than bathroom/eat.
Americans love to talk shit about other nations being pussies. Now your president is threatening to send your fellow citizens who are democrats to el Salvador prisons to die. in reality. will you post another status? downvote my post? or actually act?
Only fascists themselves try this hard to waste our time.
Get fucked, buddy. You’re an asshole. Your opinions are that of an asshole. You’re out here talking to yourself; it’s pathetic. I won’t answer any response you have to this, I’ll just block you.
Espouse your hate all you want; you’ll get the same reaction 100% of the time.
What sort of response is this? You yell something and then quickly put you fingers in your ears?
oh and really think i am wrong?
if trump actually deports democrats to el salvador prisons what will you do?
literally. you. not anyone else. you.
will you still be on here talking big game? or actually trying to defend what your ancestors built?
Asshole = hates trump and hates lazy americans who refuse to fight back and allow trump and american power to butt fuck the world and tresspass every treaty your nations leaders ever signed.
fuck you for not doing anything to protect what your ancestors fought and died to build. our people actually fight. your people complain and bitch and never act.
Bro what? I am a French anarcho communist who votes left and never hasnt. Been arrested three times for property damage during Paris protests tho!
You all tho, literally just talk shit. And never do anything. But elect Trump twice.
They do say often how much they want to be like the French protestors while scarfing MacDonald’s. Yet here we are.
What is MacDonald’s? We’re not in Scotland.
and yeah, what leader of mine has concentration camps in el salvador and just said he was sending “home growns” next?
it sure wasnt a french leader.
It rots my ass to see Americans sitting and taking it. Not just that but defending themselves for doing sweet fuck all while yam tits rages. They talk a lot of shit for how fucking docile and subservient they are. It’ll make it all the easier for us to wipe them out when they try take our country by force. My Acadian roots have me prepared for war. I’m an old man but I’m certainly not going to be some fascists pet dog.
that explains your annoying outdated comments. referring to yourself as a extreme opposite of alt-right isnt exactly a flex.
so you are a nazi right winger? okay.
being anti-“that“ is also anti-fascist. i am absolutely anti-fascist. i believe in 1781 your guys got it right.
Americans love to talk shit about other nations being pussies. To be fair, we also love to talk about how brave and special big boys we are. We then run around afraid of everything, but I’m sure those two attitudes are not related.
Our national anthem “home of the brave” is hilariously sad. We got attacked once in 2001 and we’ve been shitting all over ourselves ever since.
people still get up in arms when you diminish 9/11. Not “dark humor” joking. Just calling it out as an insignificant event… especially in the context of Palestine or even USA COVID-19 deaths. “But muh towers”
i upvoted you and the french guy that got banned. you’re both right. you bring the energy we need but he does make valid points. the left has been bullied far too much without fighting back over the last 10 years. some criticism is due.
A lot of criticism is due. But I, myself, am not the establishment Democrats. Taking it out on me in a Lemmy echo chamber isnt doing much to help the cause. In fact, it makes me so pissed that everyone is doubling down on generalizations. It just goes to show humans are humans, it doesnt matter what side you are on, hate is always strong.
Let’s start with him, the legally confirmed biggest criminal in United States political history.
Media keeps saying “criminal.” Exercising Constitutional rights does now make anyone criminal, natural born citizen or not. I gave up on mediaite being unbiased long ago, but we need to call out language of complicity.
People forget that all the people the Nazi’s put in camps were also criminals. According to Nazi propaganda, they were responsible for the deaths of millions of Germans in WW1, for impoverishing hardworking Germans in the Great Depression and for terrorism in resistance to the Nazi regime.
No regime ever has admitted to locking up an innocent person. No dictator has ever said “Yeah, I put innocent people in jail”.
This is why we have separation of powers. The executive branch has zero authority to call anyone a criminal. Only the independent court system has that authority.
This is why we have separation of powers
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Surely if presidents are able to appoint supreme court justices, there has never been separation of powers? And is that not a big part of why we’re in this mess now?
You also need the Senate, not just the president.
But Republican senators have abdicated their duties and voters have not replaced them.
That’s why we have this mess.
Makes sense, thanks for clarifying!
Oddly enough, Trump’s DOJ did straight up admit they sent an innocent guy in to El Salvador, and said they can’t get him back.
They also didn’t say he was innocent, the opposite actually. The official narrative is that he’s super guilty of a million crimes, he was just “administratively” deported incorrectly, however the deportation is still serendipitous and deserved.
Obviously, he’s innocent. That’s clear for anyone except the most die-hard MAGA cultist. So, like, the average FOX viewer
No, no… they didn’t say they couldn’t get him back. They said they don’t have to, even though the supreme court upheld the district court order to facilitate his return. In a rare unanimous decision I might add. They’re not even trying to pretend they care what the courts say at this point.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-defy-supreme-court_n_67fd3ad6e4b0c8069e85c34e
What the courts say only matters if it’s enforced. We need daily fines, removal from power, or even imprisonment as a punishment for this.
Remember, these are republicans, which are mostly (self proclaimed) “Christians.” These “Christians” need religion to tell them they will be punished for sinning because simply helping your fellow man is not a good enough “reward” for them. Everything is transactional.
Paragraph 175 of the German code made homosexuality illegal. It had already been illegal under Weimer and the Reich before, with varying degrees of enforcement. The Nazis strengthened it, started going after even non penetrative sex.
Pink triangle prisoners were among the lowest of the low, similar to Jews. The goal was to work them to death, in the brick works. Theres a lot of horrific fucked up sexual sadism when you read these accounts. (Having sex with a man is only gay if you love him, I guess)
Then, when the camps were liberated:
The American policy toward gay inmates in the US-controlled zone of occupation was based on the Handbook for Military Government in Germany Prior to Defeat or Surrender, which was compiled by the Combined Chiefs of Staff of the US Military in 1944. Part of the Handbook was dedicated specifically to directing American troops how to classify and handle the large number of concentration camp survivors. The policy for those interned based on criminal actions stated, “Ordinary criminals with a prison sentence still to serve will be transferred to civil prisons.” Since many pink triangle prisoners had been convicted of violating Paragraph 175, a law of the German Criminal Code that predated the Nazi regime, the Americans also classified them as criminals. Therefore, those who had not finished serving their sentence were often transferred to prisons.
Homosexuality remained illegal in West Germany until the 70s. This also meant that there weren’t even accounts of the things that happened in those camps, because the social stigma didn’t go away…
I suspected about two weeks ago that I would, at some point, be a likely candidate for being sent to CECOT on the basis of daring to be transgender, and this is only more supporting evidence that it’s gonna happen.
Unfortunately you’re absolutely correct to be worried about this. Part of Project 2025 is the criminalization of Transgendered people under the rubric that they are inherently “pornographic”.
Ah shit. Orange Hitler finally floating his true intent. lets see what americans can do. please dont tell me you made fun of the French as pussies without backing up how much more aggressive american citizens can be demanding their own rights… lets see americans back it up!
The best advice I can give: leave the Untied States if you can
lol I have no real skills to offer another country. I am dead.
I am dead.
Then arm yourself and do what you can.
If I bought a gun I would blow by brains within a month.
I have been unable to convince my spouse despite 9 years of trying. Really sad because we had two good options but chose to stick it out because of family (I say to hell with them but don’t have a veto proof majority there).
Can you put something in place for when things inevitably deteriorate?
If I were you, I’d be applying for visas I think, or maybe just preparing a visa application if it’s too costly to actually apply for one.
Um how? Who wants American Refugees?
The highly-skilled, educated, and non-crazy ones of working age are actually great for other countries’ economies. If you work at a gas station or are crazy, not so much.
Some Americans already have dual citizenship and so have other options
the United States does not recognize dual citizenship.
so if you get branded a criminal or terrorist, they’re coming after you. and they will absolutely threaten your second country into extradition if they want you bad enough
im a dual citizen myself but cant get my passports because im trans 🙃 that and broke as hell but still. id get stopped at the border because a guy with a fullass beard with a ‘F’ on their passport is considered fraud.
I know of a trans woman that was successfully able to get their passport recently.
Please stay safe!
Thank you friend. Unfortunately because of how deep red my state and how stupid the UK is with this stuff I’m stuck. Just hunkering down and preparing for the worst.
Move to a border state like Washington, get an enhanced driver license and cross into Canada? EDL functions like a passport for land crossings.
Not sure what sort of federal checks are done for issuing those and if it’s still possible, sorry
Wish I could lol. Broke as shit and I can’t just leave my family behind. Unfortunately to get Real ID I have to provide my citizenship documents but those are in my deadname + birth sex and I can’t get them fixed without a baseline of $1k (have to pay for at least 2 private doctors in the UK to verify I am my chosen gender, plus court fees and 18+ months processing time).
I’m so sorry. And the UK is also increasingly discriminating against trans people too, ugh
Donald Trump is literally, yes, using the correct expression: literally – a homegrown criminal.
He is literally begging to be put down like a rabid animal
In Minecraft.
That new rabid animal mod, in Minecraft.
Buy a gun and if they come for you kill as many as possible
This is where our country is heading
I would go absolutely feral. Ripping their throats out with my teeth and snapping any small bone I can grab.
This goes for anyone being kidnapped in my general vicinity as well. If I see that shit, it turns out that that is a good day to die. I will do it with glee.
Watch me laugh with their blood running down my face.
This is the way, this is real shit. I too would go absolutely animal for my loved ones and myself, go berserk.
Do it. Force the issue. Hang in the immigrant communities. Meet the people. Teach them what you would do and help them prepare. Then fight with everything you have.
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“much harder to buy a gun.”
Buddy I won one at a fucking raffle no questions asked.
That’s not legal in any state.
I used to run gun raffles, and the way they actually worked is the organization doing the raffle would partner with an FFL, and what they actually won was a gift card redeemable for the exact value of the gun. That gift card would be used for the winner to purchase a firearm, including a NICS check.
How is it hard to get a gun in America? What the fuck??? lmaooo
Pretty easy to get a gun unless you’re a felon.
Stop spreading misinformation.
We only need the guns because dumbfuck conservatives ushered in American fascism.
3rd pary sales don’t require any information exchange. Meet some one in Cabella’s looking at a new hunting rifle they want? Maybe they’ll sell you a gun at their place for the price of a new rifle. It’s the wild west man. If they cared there wouldn’t be a loop hole you can drive a dump trunk dragging 100 rusty bikes through.
If you find it hard to purchase a gun in the US then I have to marvel at the fact that you manage to successfully navigate a belt buckle. My state doesn’t even require concealed carry permits anymore. I can just go grab a gun, ammo, and walk around strapped with it hidden under my shirt.
It’s wild west out here dude where have you been?
California?
I think you have to wait for the sun to set and rise like half a dozen times before you can pew pew
There isn’t a single state in which the barrier to owning a gun is more difficult than a background check and a waiting period. I’d recommend a glock 9 for reliably and performance. Good luck, and good hunting.
New York
Getting a gun is as easy as going to fucking Walmart and having them order you something from the warehouse you have to pickup a week later.
Yup.
I am anti-gun and always have been and still believe a nation with more guns is going to have more death and generally be less safe.
But it is absolutely time to arm yourself.
This is the correct approch. I can’t stress this enough, when it costs ICE their lives, and the headlines are “12 citizen killed by ICE” then people will stop sitting on their hands like this is nothing. Don’t let them put you in a ghetto, don’t let them put you in a labor camp or a death camp, CALL THEIR HAND EVERY TIME, If you let them take you, you’re dead anyway.
ie, your fucked, but at least you can murder people on your way out
They have proven that if you comply at best, you will be denied rights, beaten, in a labor or death camp, and likely dead.
Right wing ideologies are based on fear, they’re all cowards deep down.
If enough of them die kicking in doors they’ll stop.
i agree with you but if you’re willing to die at that point, why wouldn’t you just take action now to stop that scenario from happening? if we wait till the wolf is at our door, we’ve given the wolf the advantage of initiative. you don’t win wars by waiting for the enemy to strike first.
The CIA has a wonderful piece of training that’s publicly available online called ‘‘simple sabotage’’ I’d highly recommend reading it. Also Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P. Newton. Totally unrelated, a lot of campers really like to use a home made fire starter that’s waterproof, there’s a lot of good recipes usually petrol products and shipping materials, very simple. also I’m in a Drone building club at school, it’s not related to this, but it’s a lot of fun.
Or by saying “when it happens to me or my family”. How fucking self centered. That’s what got you in this fucking mess.
yep. american individualism is a denial of the very basics of humanity: we are social creatures. we got to the top of the food chain through cooperation, not by being the most alpha of lone wolves.
buy a gun
Yes you reading this. Even if you’re white.
Arm yourself.
Only if your white; blacks and browns will be gunned down even if they have a stick or nothing.
This reads like you’re telling brown people not to buy guns. Is that what you’re trying to say?
I am saying USA is white colony pretending to be a country where anyone who is not white has no right.
If they’re gonna claim you have a gun and shoot you either way - you’d might as well have a gun.
So why not have a gun??
Better idea would be to move around in a group of 5-10 people as you would in any third world country, or in Trump’s words shithole country.
Oh yeah, so the 5-10 people can be declared a gang who were attacking police after they are mowed down defenseless.
There are a shit ton more than 5–10 police a radio call away. You’re still outnumbered and defenseless.
And organize, they can and do pick out people who are alone, as they are cowards. If there are 10 of you walking, armed, they are less likely to fuck around
Cops dragged my buddy out of his car and shot him for having his legally owned pistol. How in the fuck are we supposed to resist ICE with guns?
Your friend was obeying the law, and trying to obey the law. When you aren’t trying to comply and you are fighting for you life, it’s a very different set of actions. No one’s waiting to get dragged out.
I really wonder how all the protest voters feel about all of this. Not what they’d say they feel, because we’ve all seen their smug and entitled responses- no, what I want to know is; how they actually and honestly feel about all of this.
Because even though I voted, I’ve seriously thought about it. I try and put myself in the shoes of someone who has every reason to ask themselves if all of this was worth their entitlement-driven single-issue excuse to avoid doing the bare minimum it takes to hold on to the last shred of our democracy- to avoid having to participated in what might have been America’s last election.
Yeah. I’m fucking angry. And I’m not yet ready to forgive the assholes that helped make this happen.
Jesus Christ, every fucking thread you’re in you have to distract from the conversation for your own personal butthurt feelings… Read the shit comment and then saw the username and shouldn’t have been surprised. You really need to take a break so you can move the fuck on emotionally. Everyone else is progressing forward with their conversations and rhetoric, how much longer do you plan on continuing to distract? Is there any point to your comments? Anything that could actually be done to appease you so you stfu? Or is this just going to be your lifelong thing where you’re an old man screaming at 2024 voters as you’re carted off?
So. Your answer is to whine about my comment and offer nothing but ad hominem?
You could have easily just kept scrolling, or even just blocked me…
but wait!
Was there something I’ve said or something I’m doing that bothered you enough to want to complain about it? Do you feel better for having vented your anger and frustrations into words?
Imagine that!
He’s not whining about your comment he’s saying that you’re a fucking whiner you wiener. “Oh my God I hate the country because they voted for someone I don’t like” Dude that’s politics, Do you know what the cool thing about it it is too that after the election when it’s over we are all still American and we are all on the same team so you shouldn’t want the downfall of anything or anyone you sound pathetic
So you’re complaining about my pointing out the fact that someone is complaining about my complaint?
I wonder… how many layers can this have?
No I’m not complaining I’m Stating a fact. If you’re gonna be like this why don’t you just stay on Reddit?
So my stating a fact is complaining, but your complaining is staring a fact?
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96And as I remember, Reddit was full of people that complained about people complaining….
A LOT.
Oh no! Someone who engages instead of downvoting! Imagine that! I must put more emotion into it without addressing anything the person said!! lol I’ve already seen where this is going which is why I figured I would save anyone else the trouble and reply to your constant whining before someone else got sucked in. Thank you for making it clear why you’re doing all this though, you have no other way to express yourself or move on. Good luck with all that, if I run into you in the future I’ll make sure to stick with one reply and watch ya fizzle out. Maybe this all might help you in the long run.
Wait… you want an award because through all your nonsense blathering and personal attacks that weren’t even relevant to any point- you didn’t downvote me?
Well why didn’t you say so, my guy?
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There ya go!
(In fairness, I did’’t notice the .ml, otherwise I’d have given you your little gold star right out of the gate to avoid this disaster of a discussion)
lol defaulting to an instance attack, you’re such a parody.
Anyone can see from our last conversation that even when replying in good faith you just refuse to engage, there is no point in trying to bring any sort of real conversation with you.
Anyone can also see from your modlog, you’ve been crying about voters for months and are still continuing to do so.
idk wtf the award pivot was trying to do or what you’re even trying to say lol. Again, I’m glad I could engage with you so someone else doesn’t have to and possibly thinking you might actually be a real person to have a conversation with. The only reason I’ve gone this far is so people can actually see the links and how you respond. Blocking doesn’t help if it just means someone else has to put up with you instead.
And I stand by my every argument against cutting these clowns slack because they have finally decided that now is the time to stand up against Trump.
They should lie in the bed they fucking made right alongside the rest of us. They don’t get to just blend in with everyone that actually tried to stop this. They need to be reminded EVERY FUCKING TIME THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES SHIT LIKE THIS THAT IT IS PARTIALLY THEIR FAULT.
Because if we EVER have another election and we EVER find ourselves here again, they need to know what damage that comes from smug entitlement.
And lastly- I don’t really give a shit that you are upset by this anymore than I’d expect you to give a shit that I’m pissed off about a bunch of childish entitled kids that haven’t a clue about how anything works enough to get off their asses and vote.
Don’t like it? Block me.
But all you’re doing is complaining about complaining. So…. Maybe have a seat in this boat of mine.
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lol you must really not talk to anyone outside of the internet if you think anything you said sounds remotely sane or like you aren’t an entitled child trying to sound smug.
They need to be removed
whatcha mean by that bud? I think you’re getting confused with all your edits.
You need to ask the same question to your politicians, not voters. If its such a big issue why didnt the democratic party stand for anything? Winning was absolutely on the table, your establish dems didnt want to win either. Thats the problem.
Your dems didnt “help” make this happen, they made it happen arm in arm with right wing extremists. You think just because they call themselves democrats they arent right wing or fascist? America is so far right wing and filled with propaganda the populace cant make sense of it and still think they have a proper opposition party - you dont.
You wanted more people to vote? Just as many would have voted for Trump as well, wow good job.
First this would never happen because of our laws second he did say that the people he would want to send to these kind of jails wouldbe top of the line criminals And it would cost substantially less to have these criminals in a jail there. Now I’m not saying it’s OK I think if you’re an American that committed a crime in America you should be in an American jail
Due process is the way to prove you’re a US citizen and/or not a criminal. Without it, anyone can be arrested and sent to another country to be killed.
If you don’t stand up for the people around you, who is going to be left to help when they come for you?
These people are illegal immigrants you act like they’re deporting American citizens. And I will state what I said earlier I don’t agree with them sending American citizens to foreign jails if you committed crime in America andyou’re American you should serve your sentence in America
Due process is the way to prove you’re a US citizen and/or not a criminal. Without it, anyone can be arrested and sent to another country to be killed.
They are deporting people without due process.
US citizens have already been deported. US citizens have already been sent to El Salvador prisons with no criminal charges. Due process is not being done.
They could take you next and there is no legal way you could stop them.
You are literally lying. No AMERICAN CITIZEN has been deported to El Salvador, not one. You are literally spreading lies, The guy from Maryland was NOT an American citizen. Stop spreading lies and misinformation because anybody with a brain could literally do their research and find that what you are saying is not true. Please use your brain and Do your due diligence with research before you believe or just say things. Right now at this moment there is not one American citizen sitting in a El Salvadoran jail That was accidentally deported by this administration.
Dude. He’s already breaking the laws by sending people directly to CECOT. He’s ignoring court orders and the need to get an order of removal for people. They’re arresting people just for speaking Spanish without having a passport on them, like that Puerto Rican family.
If they’re ignoring all the rules for people who can’t pony up citizenship paperwork in time then there’s nothing stopping them from quickly deporting a natural born citizen. Hell, anyone on the street without documents on their person is a valid target under the observed tactics.
They are not being honest with you.
County supervisor Juan Miguel Martinez said “ There has been NO CONFIRMATION that there was a Puerto Rican family picked up by ICE for speaking Spanish outside of Walmart, this story is FALSE. I have been working with Alders and orgs to verify this and nothing has been confirmed.
Remember that when we spread misinformation, we are helping the people that want to destroy us. It isn’t your fault though, misinformation has gotten so sophisticated it is hard to tell what is and is not real. Let’s stay vigilant. Let’s not freak out. Let’s keep working.“
Stop listening and believing things right on the spot, please do your research look into it. Because all you do with stuff like this is spread false information. As soon as I read what you said I looked into it and I couldn’t find nothing to verify it so you are spreading false information
Seems like someone’s not being honest with you actually. I don’t base my opinion off of one thing that I see. I don’t see one new segment from a specific news channel and say yup that’s what I believe. It doesn’t matter if it’s right wing news or left-wing news or non-biased news If I see something I do deeper research into it and then I come to a conclusion. In this case the Puerto Ricans that supposedly got detained by ice for speaking in Spanish is a completely fabricated
I’d believe it all except you leave out any details. Almost like this is a canned response for any allegation of ICE detaining Puerto Ricans. Because to be clear, a simple Google search reveals there are multiple allegations of multiple instances.
No amount of sane washing is going to push this under the rug.
This is literally from the county supervisor from Milwaukee. It’s wild that someone proves a point to you and you don’t wanna believe it just because you wanna Believe what’s already in your head. There is no credible source about this story whatsoever you are literally spreading false information and lies just so people can agree with you.
Careful bootlicker, nothing will stop them from calling you a ‘‘top line criminal’’ with no due process and putting you there. Then you can be the nazi in the camp telling everyone what a good nazi you are, and how this is all a mistake while the guards rail you with a cactus. You fuck.
Oh my God it’s you again, Dude just go on Reddit delete this app. Again learn to have a conversation because you show How low your IQ is by not being able to just have a Conversation, If you want me to agree with you enlighten me tell me how you feel and why I should feel that way. By you calling me names and a Nazi I’m not going to agree with you I’m gonna think you’re even crazier than what you make yourself out to be
The thing is, there’s absolutely nothing you can say to justify any of this.
Due process is a right.
Even convicted criminals in prison have rights.
Convicted criminals in prison have certain rights, including protection from cruel and unusual punishment under the Eighth Amendment, due process rights, and protection from discrimination based on race, sex, or disability. While they do not enjoy all constitutional rights, they are entitled to humane treatment and access to legal processes within the prison system.
This El Salvador concentration camp has none of that. People go there to die.
Again there’s absolutely nothing, not a god damn word you can say to justify this. Think it through.
What do you have to say about Laken Riley? Maybe she would still be alive if the people that were in power at the time didn’t have the mindset that you have. That alone is enough to justify it, President Bukele Said yesterday that when they were interviewing one of the Venezuelan immigrants they asked them a couple questions to vet them and Terrorist illegal immigrant gang member said the last time he got arrested in America was for shooting a cop in the leg, that was his sixth arrest. What do you have to say to justify that? What if that cop had died? Or what about when the Venezuelan gang was terrorizing communities in Colorado making them pay Extortion money. What justifies that? Why should these people be treated the same and have the same rights that you and I have?
They are being paid to send people to a death camp, no one is intended to be released from the prison in El Salvador by their own admission. ICE has already sent people there who committed no crime.
if Venezuela would take their own illegal immigrants these people would not be sitting in a jail in El Salvador. Second this jail has made the lives of many El Salvadorans safer. There is a reason why their president was voted in with I want to say 85% of the vote, Now I don’t agree that Americans should ever go to one of these jails if you’re an American that commits a crime in America you should serve your sentence here. But to call these places death camps it seems like you have sympathy for the rapist and murderers that do belong in this place. When this place was first built and they showed the criminals that they were putting in these jails the people of El Salvador were very happy mind you obviously they never expected to have Venezuelan immigrants in there. But what the jail originally stands for and why It was originally built was for a good purpose. I’m not seeing you directly but I’ve seen some people that were trying to compare CECOT to The holocaust which is absolutely insane because the people in this jail are violent people and the people that died in the holocaust were Innocent. And the thing is the last will never win another election again if they keep up with that type of mentality and bullshit mindset
Your defending authoritarian abuse violating our own laws and many international agreements of what basic human rights are. Your ENTIRE opinion is a cold wet shit no one wants. I hope you recive the treatment you claim is ‘‘good reason’’ in every capacity. I’ll gladly live through what I think is fair and lawful, because I know what I support ISN’T A FUCKING CRIME AGAINST BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS!
My opinion is my opinion and I can believe in what I wanna believe that’s the whole beautiful part about living in a country like America that I have the right to say what I believe in. The whole point of these websites are to be able to have a conversation for you to be able to tell me how you feel and why I should feel that way, It’s not for me to come and shit on what you believe or what you think we can agree to disagree that is the whole point of these websites not to call people Nazis in bootlickers just because you don’t agree with them. I’m sorry I have to say this because I hate to stoop to your level but it shows how low your IQ is.
Also the fact that you think you could call me a Nazi when I literally got Banned from Reddit for saying that a Nazi should be punched in the face is just hilarious to me
And how many days have you spent in El Salvador how many times have you visited the country? Because my family is from there and I hold dual citizenship And travel there a lot and trust me the country did a complete 180 Because of the president. But let me guess you would be happier if the gang members were still out in the streets terrorizing innocent people right?
You are entitled to your wrong opinion, but you need to get used to being called a bootlicker or worse.
I hope you realize this.
and you need to get used to being called a Lefty lunatic, That would rather support illegal immigrants than your own people in your own country. You don’t think about the people that lost their lives in the hands of these criminals the families that have lost loved ones like Laken Riley, As I said with things like this they are going to be casualties. It’s crazy because when the left loses a conversation and they have nothing else to say they Resort to name-calling Literally the left is full of the biggest cowards I have ever came across in my life. And let me just add in I’m not even conservative nor republican
You do not have a leg to stand on.
Your are just vomiting propaganda. You ought to consider your health more son, cause they amount of bootlicking you’re doing, your going to come down with a case of cherry blossom poisoning.
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This is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists.
Those of you who have served in the military and swore an oath to protect us from domestic enemies, please seriously consider honoring your oath before the rest of us have to do it for you.
when ice is coming to get me, no amount of weaponry will save me, all I’ll do is take some nazis with me.
As others have said, if they take you to a second location, you could either die or end up in a gulag in another country, which is probably as good as being dead.
May as well fight to the death. Make them pay for it. If you don’t you could end up wishing you had another opportunity to.
Exactly this. The fear of torture to death would make me fight back when they bust in. This reminds me to start carrying and leaving easy access to the shotgun at home
Melt the ICE
Absolutely true. They will also make shit up and deface your name anyways.
Even if you were found innocent and released, the entire world would believe the US government and the US government would call you MS-13 or pedophile
They wouldn’t correct that mistake. And you would be hard to even find a job, plus you would probably have cultists coming to kill you
That is if they’d still don’t just send you to the concentration camps and have you murdered like they have done so far
Group up with others of the same opinion and go hang at some brown people’s houses. Don’t wait. Force the issue.
We need a black panther revival asap
You need the people to come together. However that happens for you. Go eat with some folks you don’t know from minority communities. The internet tells me Americans eat out a lot. Go to ethnic restaurants. Meet their families. Offer to help them buy guns to defend themselves. Defend them yourself openly and without shame. Put your own comfort in jeopardy for someone you don’t know.
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oh no, those extremists who protected the police from violence, and feed the hungry. how scary.
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edit: sorry, I swype typed and I somehow ended writing the opposite I meant.
I meant protecting from police violence.
Everyone should strive for 2 so we make progress
I want to be very clear here. If they take you, at A MINIMUM, they will beat you, torture you, SA you, and deny you civil rights and human rights. At worst, you die. You want all these slack jawed jackasses that won’t raise holy hell about the government already doing this to immigrants, you’re dead anyway. ‘‘ICE kills US citizen’’ is a much stronger headline than ‘‘Trump says he will do this to citizens’’ additionally when the ICE agents have to deal with the fact that ‘‘just following orders’’ includes a high chance of death, they might question the orders.
They cover their faces and ID anyway, they should be blasted any place with stand your ground.
This is important to remember
Take down the Nazis with you because you have no choice or hope. You can’t reason with them
They will deface you and disappear you. They will say you work for MS-13, that you’re a child pedophile, they will craft and manufacture evidence and they will disappear you to the concentration camps. They’ve already done this, they’re just going to continue
Honestly, not true? ICE is a bunch of fatass fascist sympathizers that get their rocks off abusing their authority. If they try to kidnap you, they are not going to expect you to be armed and dangerous. They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.
You’ll have to flee immediately after, because they’ll send more agents when the first turn up dead, but it at least gives you a chance.
And some job satisfaction.
They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.
I would be willing to bet that a significant portion of them spend their workdays at half-mast just hoping for someone to resist with a weapon so they can execute them. They may be more prepared than you think.
Wasn’t the Electoral College also supposed to serve that purpose?
Not at all, it was a compromise between counting slaves as ‘population’ and not people, so the south wasn’t totally devoid of population numbers big enough to matter. Considering Jefferson and Washington were proud southern slave owners and set the standards for the country legally and traditionally, it’s hardly a surprise this is still being done when the whole point was treating people like cattle and also giving their humanity to their masters as political power.
You’re thinking of the 3/5ths compromise, which is a separate though related thing to the Electoral College.
The EC tended to favor non-plantation slavery states (only Maine and Massachusetts had zero slaves at the time, though several others were close to zero). Virginia was by far the biggest state by population, and it had tons of slaves. Without counting its slave population, it would still have been the largest. The Electoral College, at least at the time, favored small, relatively slave-free states like Rhode Island and Vermont. The 3/5ths compromise does give some extra power to the larger slave states in the EC by way of added population, but not proportionate to what small states get out of it.
Federalist 68 gives the official reasoning behind the EC:
Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.
Another and no less important desideratum was, that the Executive should be independent for his continuance in office on all but the people themselves. He might otherwise be tempted to sacrifice his duty to his complaisance for those whose favor was necessary to the duration of his official consequence. This advantage will also be secured, by making his re-election to depend on a special body of representatives, deputed by the society for the single purpose of making the important choice.
In other words, the EC existed precisely to stop someone like Donald Trump from taking office. Or more accurately, stopping a populist, corrupt nitwit was the reason it was justified to the American people at the time. Back then, they were trying to head off criticism of democracy from supporters of constitutional monarchy. That is, democracy would be vulnerable to takeover by a populist, corrupt nitwit.
Obviously, it has failed at its one job. That doesn’t mean democracy itself is vulnerable. On the contrary, the EC is a specifically anti-democratic concept that has been abused by exactly the sort of populist, corrupt nitwit it was supposed to guard against.
Wow, nothing like a shove forward as you step back right? I got news for you buddy, this isn’t the kind of thing just a few people can fix. The country actually elected him. We need to build a movement to fight this, to prevent the country from just electing the next one.
I bet when “ice” agents start meeting resistance in the form of 9mm and .45 it will make some changes.
Yes, Republicans will start personaly hunting down anyone darker than snow.
I’m white but I hate them, I wouldn’t be surprised if I were targeted eventually
I would never ask someone else to risk their lives for me. I think we all need to figure out where our red line is - for me it would be a successful attempt to keep serving in a third term, or actually successfully deporting/imprisoning US citizens without due process. Merely trying or talking about it isn’t enough because if the constitutional process stops him, that means it’s still working.
non American here. the red line was January 6th. Don’t wait to see if more boxes are checked, every autocracy in history relied on people planning to resist when things ‘really’ got worse. By then it’s always too late. They’re planning accordingly.
Trump has learned that people will allow him to keep crossing over their “red line” and will draw an new red line. He’s been doing it for years. Now Americans are saying he can throw out the Constitution, so long as they aren’t yet personally impacted, but they will react at some future point when he gets even worse, maybe.
Maybe, just maybe, we should stop the known arsonist - who has declared they are going to burn all our houses down and is now gleefully walking to our neighborhood with a can of gasoline and a blow torch - before they get to the first house
Seems obvious when you think about it.
Why doesn’t the successful deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia without due process rise to this level for you? It’s true he wasn’t a US citizen, but he did have a protected status that let him live and work legally in the US. And given that he was deported without due process, but simply by “administrative error,” there was no point at which he was given the opportunity to bring up his legal status. That is, the thing that would be different if they tried to do this to a citizen is that they would have successfully done it to a citizen. Presumably the courts would order them to bring the citizen back, but they’ve already done that with Abrego Garcia, and the administration isn’t complying.
If that’s your bright line, maybe check out the boot that’s straddling it.
“If there was hope, it must lie in the proles”
