In audio released Friday evening, senators and representatives from Ohio and Michigan revealed the “endgame” is to ban transgender care “for everyone.”
good, maybe then there’ll be less people making irreversible and unchangeable modifications to themselves as well as influencing others to do the same (and yes, puberty blockers are irreversible, puberty isn’t something you can just decide to shift over a few years into your 20’s, and on top of that it is neither ethical to traumatise a child using them)
Why are you spending so much time thinking about children’s genitalia? Gross.
i didn’t mention children’s genitalia anywhere, that’s a product of your own imagination, i specifically mentioned puberty blockers, you nonce :)
People should be allowed the option to make mistakes, if they are unfortunate enough to choose incorrectly. For instance, as when your parents created you.
false, people should be guided away from wrong in any instance, to not do so is to create additional human suffering while knowing that you sat back and let it happen, now i begin to realise why you all seem so fucked in the head :)
Who are you to decide whether it’s the right choice? You can’t make that choice for other people. You have no right to tell them what they can and can’t do, and they have to find out for themselves. And what you said about the puberty blockers goes both ways–if someone can’t go through the procedure on time, not only will they be left wondering their entire life, but they’ll also know that it was your fault for telling them they couldn’t. You don’t get to do that.
Why are you so concerned with what other people are choosing to do with their bodies?
because it’s a moral debasement which causes insanity among the people who take part in it, there’s a reason why trans people have a coin-flip chance of hating themselves so hard that they end themselves, the writing is on the wall and i prefer to save people from debasing themselves
Who’s judging the moral debasement? Why do you feel the need to save people from themselves?
What right do you have to interfere in some else’s life and choices they make for themselves?
moral debasement judged by a logical view on the world, i feel a need to save people from their poor actions because some people can’t see themselves falling down holes they dig, this being a large one perpetuated by the squalor which is modern society, my right to interfere with peoples choices is also due to the previous reasoning of people not knowing how they harm themselves, all you need to do is understand the basic concept of the human body being developed over one of two expectations of hormonal production (with anything inbetween being an exception, incredibly rare, and a genetic mishap), capisce? :)
So, you would have no problem with me imposing limits upon your choices based upon my morals, then?
your morals are wrong, mine are based upon the truth that emanates from natural law and truth-based concepts, our morals are not the same and therefore you have no justification to :)
How are my morals wrong? What natural law are you basing your truth on?
If our morals are not the same, what grants you the right to impose yours on others, but prevents others from imposing theirs upon you?
Sorry, who the fuck are you?
This is pretty obvious, but being constantly told by society you’re insane, an abomination, a predator, etc., does tend to make people hate themselves, yes. It’s a wild concept, I know.
Go fuck yourself.
being told the truth shouldn’t influence how you think about yourself, it should be something that you can either dismiss as false or accept as true (and change), that seems like an issue entirely caused by people being unable to understand that people don’t like what is shoved into the faces of others (and one of the rare times i do agree to a degree with society), i am someone who isn’t at peace with society or it’s concepts yet i receive less shit from people openly because i know how to regulate myself and not associate with a group known for being creeps and full of detestable people, people who choose to debase themselves should expect to be debased by others :)
pro tip: using proper grammar doesn’t make you any less wrong :)
Are you a troll or an idiot?
i’m a prophet in comparison to someone who thinks that free-will is the basis of morals, you either get to see the truth when it’s too late or be blinded by it entirely, i may suggest to you, start considering the fact that the world doesn’t revolve around make-believe ideas of “human morals”, rather there are laws imposed by society and groups on themselves that defy nature :)
Ah, you’re an idiot. Cheers bud.
Yeah I fully expect this to become normal for red states.
Probably gonna kill myself lol
Probably gonna kill myself lol
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: never kill yourself for something that’s somebody else’s fault.
don’t let them fucking win, you stay here and you fight godsdamnit
If I could hug you over the internet I would. Unfortunately that’s of exactly no help.
Michigan isn’t red. And don’t fucking kill yourself. I’m an old cis white dude, and if I can help fight for your rights, the least you can do is stick around to enjoy them, right?
I’m terrible at pep talks but just don’t fucking kill yourself. There is beauty in the world you have yet to experience, and you make the world a more wondrous and beautiful place just by existing.
I’m in Iowa and that’s a red state these days. If they want to kill me I won’t go quietly, but I’d definitely rather die than detransition.
There are other options. They might involve not staying in Iowa, but hell suicide means leaving Iowa, too, so you might as well try another state.
The Arab Spring all started with a suicide.
Just something to think about.
Of all the Iowans to kill why one of the victims?
🤔 😲
Come hang out in Illinois. We’ll leave you alone.
If I could hug you over the internet I would.
I think it might just be time to move bud. You’re in an escapesble situation. You don’t HAVE to stay and listen to their bullshit. You’re much much better than they are. Keep positive thoughts and you WILL get through it!
I’m still paying off my trailer, I can’t just move without destroying my life anyway. My resume is unimpressive, I’m going into my mid 30s, I’d just be condemning myself to a life in homeless poverty.
That’s what they want. Live your life to the fullest just to spite these motherfuckers.
Our people have endured worse. They destroy our homes and livelihoods and push us to crime and professions of desperation. And yet we persist. From the Molly houses to the prostitute priestesses we have endured throughout history. And no law will stand between us and ourselves.
same, no lol tho.
I hope things don’t get bad enough for you to feel like that’s the only option.
We would welcome you here in Washington.
If I manage to pay off my trailer before they issue my death sentence I’ll try to move, but if I run out of time I’m not going to try and thread that needle. I’ll just make sure it counts.
Remember now, Republicans worry that they have no accomplishments to run on…
I’m shocked I tell you
That’s only because they don’t think they can reintroduce chattel slavery. Their actual endgame, if they accomplish this, will be much, much worse.
It’s constantly a slippery f’n slope with these people, and they always want to keep on sliding down that slope.
I’d say it’s more the dog that caught the car. They need trans people to exist so they can whip their base up into a panic over trans people existing. Total victory, then, means they need to move on to a new target to hate. It’s hate in and of itself that matters to them, hate is more than a necessary evil, it’s the ultimate object of their desire.
Exactly. If they had nobody else to hate, they would eventually turn on themselves. They would get to a point where nobody would trust anyone,
The slippery slope implies that it’s some kind of accident.
They’re dragging us kicking and screaming into a ditch.
Slippery slope implies that allowing the change will mean sliding further and further in the same direction. Intent does not matter.
This is a slippery slope because every time they say something has a limited scope they just keep increasing the scope.
But they aren’t saying that their efforts have a limited scope. They just admitted their intent.
i disagree - the word sliding can imply a passivity in things that current republican intent certainly counter-indicates.
i’m not generally pulled down slippery slopes against my will, original wording of the phrase aside.
The slippery-ness of the slope is inherently about intent. If the slope is slippery then it isn’t their fault for falling down the slope.
This slope isn’t slippery. It’s a stair case into fascism and they are goose stepping down the steps and dragging us by the hair.
The slippery slope can easily be unintentional, like the fear that giving something up will just naturally lead to other things being given up as a logical extension of the first thing. That is why slippery slopes are often described when making exemptions for certain rights. It is not that someone is intentionally going to expand the exemptions, but that exemptions tend to lead to more and more exemptions as a slippery slope.
This one is intentional. Some slippery slopes are intentional and some are accidental. Intent does not matter.
What do you think “slippery” means? If you slip, it’s unintentional. This is not a slippery slope. This is an intentional methodological plan.
Someone can intentionally trick someone onto a slippery slope and grease it up to make the slide faster, like Republicans are doing right now with undermining abortion and LBGTQ+ rights while claiming it isn’t a slippery slope.
Where do you get the idea that a slippery slope must be unintentional?
Is someone slipping on a banana peel unintentional if someone drops the peel in front of them? Do you think you might be taking the word ‘slippery’ a little too literally?
Another common Republican accusation that ends up being an admission.
It’s not really a slippery slope issue if they’re throwing themselves down to the bottom on purpose though…
Everyone knows what their end game really is.
Yeah, it was caught on audio pretty clearly lol. These
peoplethings are fucking horrendous.
We already have slavery and it’s working quite nicely. We just renamed them “illegal immigrants”.
I think people get hung up thinking slaves were cost-free to the slaveholders. Of course they weren’t! Just like any livestock, you gotta feed and shelter them, breed them, take care of the offspring until they become productive, etc.
The current slave system is brilliant! Pay 'em some change, so no one can call them slaves, and let them figure out all the items above. If anyone comes along and says maybe we should provide… STFU socialist! You trying to take MY money and give it to people breaking the law?!
It gets better! Now we can use fear of these people to get votes, keep in power. (Fuck it, I’m exhausted, you all know where I’m going with this.)
Not sure if you’re ignorant to reality or what. Your comparison falls flat and looks childish because the US still has actual slaves. Not metaphorically, not hyperbolically, but actual, literal slaves.
The 13th amendment banned slavery EXCEPT as punishment for a crime. And hoo-boy has the US taken that to heart. One of the reasons we have more of our population imprisoned than any other country is we use prisoners as slave labor. Actual, literal, slave labor.
No. This is a bad take. Even though wage slavery bucks, no illegal immigrant is their employer’s property. You already have slavery in the US and it’s all the convicts being leased to companies: 13th Amendment, babies!
This is a stunningly ignorant take.
Being a modern so-called “wage slave” sucks, no doubt. But equating it to actual, literal slavery belittles what those people actually went through to a disgusting degree. No one today can whip you if they feel like it. No one today can separate you from your spouse and children, selling them to some random asshole two states over, never to be seen again. If you decided to try to make it on your own and move, no one can sue to have you brought back to your workplace in a cage. If you break your leg, no one can shoot you in the head like you’re a useless animal.
The closest thing to slaves we have today are convicts. There’s a whole different discussion to be had there about how immoral it is to use prison as a punishment instead of rehabilitation, allowing a court to take away someone’s rights, exploiting time behind bars for labor, the incentive that provides for pronouncing people guilty, and removing felons’ rights to vote. But poor wage workers are NOT slaves.
Did you really just compare immigrant labor to chattel slavery?
Did I really just fart and shit myself a little, dare I say a fair bit? No, that was two days ago, but it’s becoming more frequent.
In other news, the color blue is blue. The party of hate surprised no one.
If we are going to stop this for anyone under 18, why not apply it for anyone over 18? It’s harmful across the board, and that’s something we need to take into consideration in terms of the endgame."
Representative Click then responded, "That’s a very smart thought there. I think what we know legislatively is we have to take small bites.”
Wow
Michigan Republicans are extra evil and authoritarian. Thankfully they don’t control the legislature anymore. Or the state Supreme Court. Or the Governorship.
Wish Ohio would fix its maps…
We keep fucking trying … Maybe soon … Frustrating
Michigan Republicans are extra evil and authoritarian. Thankfully they don’t control the legislature anymore. Or the state Supreme Court. Or the Governorship.
Representative Shriver asked, “In terms of endgame, why are we allowing these practices for anyone?”
Because trans people doing this for themselves to themselves doesn’t hurt or harm you in any way whatsoever.
“If we are going to stop this for anyone under 18, why not apply it for anyone over 18?”
First, I don’t think it should be banned for under 18. However for those over 18 are adults that are able to make their own choices.
It’s harmful across the board, and that’s something we need to take into consideration in terms of the endgame."
How is it harmful? Even empty conservative arguments about homosexuality being bad in the bible don’t apply to trans people. Conservatives only apparent reason for harming trans people is you don’t like it. If that’s the bar, then whats to stop others from banning conservatism itself because there are lots of people that don’t like it?
How is it harmful? Even empty conservative arguments about homosexuality being bad in the bible don’t apply to trans people.
That’s the fun part, as far as they’re concerned, they do. To them, someone who’s trans is still the same as their assigned birth gender. So mtf trans is still male to them. Therefore, it is gay for a man to have sex with a trans women and can get you damned to hell. It’s why “trap” went from referring to femboys with sexuality conversion fetishes to referring to trans people. Many of them literally believe it’s an attempt to “trap” straight men into being gay. Go even further right, and you start running into people who believe trans people are literally agents of Satan sent to claim the souls of good, straight Christian men.
Soooo… Yeah. That’s why evangelical christians tend to lose their shit about trans people.
It doesn’t make sense. People like these build their careers around the fear of the other: foreigners, immigrants, crossdressers, homosexuals, transgender, socialists, communists, etc. Any group that’s small enough that a significant portion of the population doesn’t know any members. They spread lies about how these evil minority groups are out to get special rights and your stuff, then campaign on protecting you from them. They’re absolutely the worst kind of people.
Wilhoit’s law:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Children need to be protected against this fad, if they truly believe they are trans later in life then by all means there should be something available for them, but it can’t be the choice of children to irreversibly alter themselves.
I grew up with a trans girl who is now 38 years old.
Trans people existed before the internet. Their existence is not a fad.
Yeah, I don’t think Timothée Chalamet would agree with your bigoted opinion.
A year or so back I heard a trans activist on a podcast saying that the “protect kids” rhetoric was bullshit and all the bans on providing gender affirming care to trans kids was a foot in the door to ban it for all trans people.
Now we just need the leaked audio of republicans talking about banning birth control for the awfulness hat trick.
I’d honestly like to know what they’re protecting kids from.
What the kids really need to be protected from is these hateful motherfuckers. We need to put the lot of them in a rocket and fire it into the next sun over. Not our sun, that’s still too close to home.
To the Sun I say. Better to burn them up immediately than risk them being brought back to life by some future technology after being retrieved half way past Pluto.
Ugh, imagine alien life encountering them and thinking they’re representative of our species. Agreed, they can burn here.
Protecting the kids is usually a trigger phrase for some bullshit
Like 99.9999% of the time.
Unless it’s talking about responsible firearm ownership.
Well no that one is the actual leading cause of death in children.
Exactly
Still not sure if I’m misreading sarcasm or if we’re in agreement that “reeee, think of cheeeeldreeen!” is usually a transparent pretext to violate someone’s rights, but with gun regulation its truly not pretextual.
That was my genuine point. No sarcasm intended.
Yep just keep on stripping life away from those of us with firearms until we have nothing to lose. You think people who had surgery and totally altered their physical appearance can just “go back” to their birth gender? Nah fam. What you’re doing is backing these people into an inescapable corner who are armed and have nothing left. Let me know how that works out for ya.
Funny how LGBT, women and POCs are the largest gun buying demographic, yet liberals continue to rail against guns. (And lose votes…)
I’m none of the above, but neither am I some old white guy that thinks he’s tough because he owns guns. Kinda the opposite actually, but that’s another conversation. I practice and learn, I use guns. Every weekend. It’s mostly for fun, until it’s not.
I am a peaceful man, but I am not harmless. You got allies you don’t know about. You got people that will show out. And I’ve said 100 times, I’m not getting on a train and neither are you my friend.
it must be nice having a party that just always manages to force through all the shit you want no matter the odds
it’s so awesome that we still haven’t fixed roe. like, ridiculous that that night the president didn’t write something saying ‘actually it’s legal everywhere executive order fuck you’. i don’t care if that’s not how it works!! he’s the president!! that’s how 40% of people think it works anyway!!
He did to some extent. The states ignored him because that’s how it actually works.
What a shock.
