In audio released Friday evening, senators and representatives from Ohio and Michigan revealed the “endgame” is to ban transgender care “for everyone.”

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    good, maybe then there’ll be less people making irreversible and unchangeable modifications to themselves as well as influencing others to do the same (and yes, puberty blockers are irreversible, puberty isn’t something you can just decide to shift over a few years into your 20’s, and on top of that it is neither ethical to traumatise a child using them)

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      People should be allowed the option to make mistakes, if they are unfortunate enough to choose incorrectly. For instance, as when your parents created you.

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        false, people should be guided away from wrong in any instance, to not do so is to create additional human suffering while knowing that you sat back and let it happen, now i begin to realise why you all seem so fucked in the head :)

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          Who are you to decide whether it’s the right choice? You can’t make that choice for other people. You have no right to tell them what they can and can’t do, and they have to find out for themselves. And what you said about the puberty blockers goes both ways–if someone can’t go through the procedure on time, not only will they be left wondering their entire life, but they’ll also know that it was your fault for telling them they couldn’t. You don’t get to do that.

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        because it’s a moral debasement which causes insanity among the people who take part in it, there’s a reason why trans people have a coin-flip chance of hating themselves so hard that they end themselves, the writing is on the wall and i prefer to save people from debasing themselves

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          Who’s judging the moral debasement? Why do you feel the need to save people from themselves?

          What right do you have to interfere in some else’s life and choices they make for themselves?

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            moral debasement judged by a logical view on the world, i feel a need to save people from their poor actions because some people can’t see themselves falling down holes they dig, this being a large one perpetuated by the squalor which is modern society, my right to interfere with peoples choices is also due to the previous reasoning of people not knowing how they harm themselves, all you need to do is understand the basic concept of the human body being developed over one of two expectations of hormonal production (with anything inbetween being an exception, incredibly rare, and a genetic mishap), capisce? :)

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              So, you would have no problem with me imposing limits upon your choices based upon my morals, then?

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                your morals are wrong, mine are based upon the truth that emanates from natural law and truth-based concepts, our morals are not the same and therefore you have no justification to :)

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                  How are my morals wrong? What natural law are you basing your truth on?

                  If our morals are not the same, what grants you the right to impose yours on others, but prevents others from imposing theirs upon you?

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                    your morals are wrong because they assume humans dictate moral values, which is false, the natural laws i base my truth on are (for the relevance of this topic) that the human biology is a set base which genes modify (gender being a part of the base, unchanging, and if interrupted, leads to insanity which is visible in statistics and behaviour of the affected), the rights i have to impose my morals are based on the fact that i am correct due to abiding by natural law, and others are unable to impose other morals upon mine due to the fact that differences are inherently against natural order due to this

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          This is pretty obvious, but being constantly told by society you’re insane, an abomination, a predator, etc., does tend to make people hate themselves, yes. It’s a wild concept, I know.

          Go fuck yourself.

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            being told the truth shouldn’t influence how you think about yourself, it should be something that you can either dismiss as false or accept as true (and change), that seems like an issue entirely caused by people being unable to understand that people don’t like what is shoved into the faces of others (and one of the rare times i do agree to a degree with society), i am someone who isn’t at peace with society or it’s concepts yet i receive less shit from people openly because i know how to regulate myself and not associate with a group known for being creeps and full of detestable people, people who choose to debase themselves should expect to be debased by others :)

            pro tip: using proper grammar doesn’t make you any less wrong :)

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                i’m a prophet in comparison to someone who thinks that free-will is the basis of morals, you either get to see the truth when it’s too late or be blinded by it entirely, i may suggest to you, start considering the fact that the world doesn’t revolve around make-believe ideas of “human morals”, rather there are laws imposed by society and groups on themselves that defy nature :)

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        i didn’t mention children’s genitalia anywhere, that’s a product of your own imagination, i specifically mentioned puberty blockers, you nonce :)