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Mr Mangione worked as a data engineer for TrueCar
Looks like TrueCar had a decent Aetna plan in his state.
I was sure this shooter was on United Healthcare.
I had the same thought. Perhaps a close family member has/had UHC?
I admit I’m kinda disappointed. He pulled out almost perfect assassination that looked well thought out, managed to get away with only a few hickups in his plan as far as his face is considered, and then walks around with a murder weapon and a manifesto in his bag? Shame, really. All he needed was to lay low for a while, grow a beard and he’d probably be OK.
The gun is planted. They just found a crazy guy in order to convince everyone that they actually found the culprit.
For sure this has not been planted at all.
Only a bit more subtle than Russians https://www.vice.com/en/article/russia-sims-3/
Don’t be disappointed. I guessed he was going to do this, and for good reason. His options were to either, live a life in fear, worrying that one day he would be caught, or, to basically give him self up, and elect for a Jury trial. Jury nullification is one os the most powerful tools available to the average, non-rich american. If he goes through the trial and gets acquited (which only takes 1 juror), then hes a free man, a folk hero, and he sets the precident that killing rich murderers isn’t an automatic crime.
What he’s doing is the smartest available option, please donate to his legal defense fund.
and gets acquited (which only takes 1 juror)
Unfortunately this is not true. 1 juror alone can hang the jury, but they’d have to convince all the other jurors to actually render a verdict of not guilty to avoid a mistrial
I almost want to believe this guy saw how similar he was to the photos and how famous the shooter was getting and decided to take the fall by wandering around in public with some incriminating circumstantial evidence until someone reported him so he could take the credit.
You’re supposed to grow the beard before the attack and shave it off after. Its much faster to shave it off than grow it back
As a girl, shit.
No worries gurl, you can still use a wig and fake beard
You don’t understand.
The fact that he wrote a manifesto meant he wanted to get caught. The taking the murder weapon and the manifesto to the McDonald’s was his way of saying he had gotten bored waiting for the cops to catch him. He pretty much turned himself in.
I think this is why there’s a common narrative on the internet that this “evidence” was planted to frame a random dude.
It’s fair to call that a conspiracy theory at this point, but hopefully due process will reveal the truth.
There’s a picture of him holding a McD happy meal?? He had the gun and manifesto just laying there in his backpack? You f’ing kidding??
Some elite fucks used an advanced AI search algorithm to search a bunch of people who vaguely looked like him. Input term search for social media and ‘reviews’ to further narrow down until you find someone who has a few tweets and posts that the media can point to say “yup hey look, he liked Kzynski’s manifesto on goodreads…got the guy!”. Plant evidence, and you got your scapegoat.
This poor kids’ life is ruined. And he will probably be threatened if he doesn’t plead guilty and waive jury trial. He’ll get a visit from the MIB threatening to skin his family alive in front of him if he doesn’t play along.
On the upside, some people were pointing out he comes from a rich family
Not rich, but reasonably well off.
He was an ivy league grad, vacations in Bali, and his family owns a country club and a chain of nursing homes. He almost certainly has more money than the guy he shot.
No way that he personally had more money than the CEO, from just looking at his work history. Maybe his whole family has more money than the CEO, but if we compared whole families against each other, the CEOs family would still come out on top.
You think that a lone assailant had more money than the CEO of one of two branches of the 9th largest company in the world by revenue and largest health insurance company in the US? And if so, why wouldn’t he have hired a hitman with all that money instead? Or just paid for medical bills out of pocket? Or just had his own doctor that only served him and prescribed whatever he wanted?
He was CEO, not founder. The dude was only worth around $50 million. The shooters family owns a country club and an entire chain of nursing homes. They almost certainly have more money, probably a lot more money.
I can’t answer your other questions. Perhaps the answers will be in his manifesto.
Reading these fantasy takes is exhausting. It’s hard to want to be a part of a community that supports this guy by gaslighting everyone, saying things like “it’s not the same guy in the four photos!” Just hundreds of people all convinced they can secure this guys freedom by acting dumb and face blind- you’ve created a whole fictional scenario here that’s just unbelievable and unrealistic.
If he didn’t want to get caught he shouldn’t have left DNA all over, shouldn’t have taken off his mask, shouldn’t be carrying the murder weapon days later… He could have helped himself but instead there’s an army of idiots who are probably just creating this fan fiction to impress their peers. It’s very childish though. This guy tried to do something which is commendable, or maybe he’s just mentally ill, but I’m just tired of reading all this nonsense. Who are you signalling to?
To be fair, people were posting actors who look like the very shitty pictures we have of the guy too, and I buy some of them. Honestly, the picture we have looks more like Timothée Chalamet than this guy. I’m not saying it isn’t this guy, or it is Chalamet, but there’s a shit ton of people in this world, and a lot look like the shooter.
If you look at a photo of the guy taken from above him, so a similar angle to the surveillance camera, he looks very similar. I do think it’s him.
If you will not trust authorities how do you expect them to prove it to you?
Even if they proved it was him it doesn’t matter. When OJ was acquitted, Jurors admitted they did it as a fuck you to the LAPD and justice system.
They’re going to have to take it to court and provide evidence. Trust is what you give to someone without the need for evidence. If they can prove it, then sure I’ll believe it. I’m not just going to trust that they’re correct without that though.
Is there a reason to think there will be no trial and this guy by some reason will end up in some CIA black site without trial?
I just find it interesting that someone who has absolutely no trust in authorities does not have a theory that court can be influenced by the same authorities.
end up in some CIA black site without trial?
No, he’d end up Epsteined. If the evidence were a plant, he’d be of no use to them alive.
Trusting the authorities is absofuckinglutely the dumbest motherfucking take anyone can have in this capitalistic hellscape.
I posted this elsewhere, but this is one of the few times I buy the conspiracy theory, not the official story.
Dude pulls off a targeted assassination, gets away clean, trolls the cops with a bag of monopoly money, gets out of the state, stays essentially hidden for almost a week… And then gets clocked by some poor maccas employee and gets taken in with a manifesto AND a gun on his person?
It’s the nazi flag and 3 copies of The Sims all over again, except this time the folks doing it are slightly more competent and actually pulled it off.
This case is so important, so high profile, that they just need to arrest someone ASAP. Anyone. And that person is not in for a good time.
There’s a simple explanation: He wanted to keep on the move, and he wanted to be able to take down other targets.
His face jas been plastered everywhere for the past week. My YouTube home page literally had 3-4 thumbnails of his face on every reload. Lemmy…X…news sites…massive exposure.
So yah…some random worker notices his face looks kind of similar while he’s dining at his favorite spot and bam. Don’t forget there was a $10k bounty, plenty of fast food workers might be itching to collect on something like that.
He probably figured once he was questioned about anything that they’d eventually get him so he prepared for that scenario. Or maybe this wasn’t even his last stop on his triple-D tour so he was still geared up.
We’ll see him in court. If he’s innocent then he make a pretty good argument and then we can decide whether to raise eyebrows but this all just seems Q-anon levels of silly right now.
there was a $10k bounty,
$60k. $10k from NYPD and $50k from the FBI.
It reminds me of people in the UFO community.
I understand where you’re coming from. I was in your shoes about 15 years ago, hearing about “crazy conspiracies” or perspectives like mine and dismissing them as baseless and ‘fantasy’.
My brother/sister, let me be crystal clear—both to you and anyone else who happens to read this: unless you’ve worked in my field, which I can say with near certainty you haven’t, then you haven’t seen, witnessed, or experienced the things I have.
I say this in all seriousness: these people have unimaginable resources and capabilities. They possess the willpower and determination to execute plans like the ones I’ve described—and far, far worse. I’ve seen far more extreme measures taken for far less than what might be perceived as even a minor threat to the capitalist power structure. They’ve invested immense effort into building and maintaining this system, and I can tell you from personal experience that they’ll go to great lengths to protect it. This is not some wild fantasy or baseless conspiracy theory—it’s entirely within the realm of possibility, and is our reality.
That said, I completely understand and respect your skepticism. I wouldn’t blame you if you don’t believe me. In fact, I’d expect you not to. Why should you? I’m just an anonymous person behind a pseudonym on a random discussion board, and I have no concrete evidence to present—only my word.
Take from this what you will.
unless you’ve worked in my field, which I can say with near certainty you haven’t, then you haven’t seen, witnessed, or experienced the things I have
I’ll bite, what field are you in?
I hope mental healthcare, but on the receiving end
I think he knew he was going to get caught. Words on bullets, monopoly money… It’s trying to make the story larger and larger. Pretty sure he will make a show in front of the jury.
I don’t know if that will work, but I respect that more than he killed the pig without making clear why.
You can’t convince me this is the real shooter, this guy looks more like Skeet from Jimmy Neutron than the “Grin Reaper” in the now famous pic
I said this to many folks IRL, the guy the NYPD charges will not be the shooter. just some poor sap that gets sent to prison for life because he had a dissenting opinion.
it’s the high price we pay to keep them in power.
What would “the elites” stand to gain from framing this dude, while the actual killer is still on the loose?
This is pretty unhinged, to be honest.
I’m not adopting the conspiracy here, but if they can’t find the shooter with the whole country getting behind him, then they would want the optics of finding the shooter. Which could backfire, of course. It would be very telling, for example, if the cops got real confident about it and then the real shooter made some kind of public display with the false shooter in custody.
This was my thought process, too. If they got a framed guy here, the actual CEO killer would likely or hopefully do something else to let the public know that they were still out there.
Yeah, thats part of the reason I don’t buy it. If the actual killer acts again, it will be very embarrassing for the police.
to make an example of someone to try to dissuade others from following in his footsteps
The killer is not as dangerous as the approval for his act. The government wants to prevent copycat vigilantes by making an example out of him. Regardless whether this guy is guilty or not, they’ll drag him through the deepest mud and then string him up with the harshest possible sentence, to discourage others from gunning down CEOs.
They gain by preventing copycat killers. If other poors think that he got away with it, they might think they can, too.
Yeah, I get that. However, the optics of having a successful “martyr” symbol is very, very dangerous. A wide scope of narrative means difficult to control. Difficult to control introduces “motivator to action” symbols among a, I think, specific (and quite populous) demographic (think of all the young males with zero purpose, waiting to seize on an opportunity for a real life Mr Robot, for example)… “well if he could do it, get away with it, AND become a ’hero’, what’s stopping me from doing the same?”
Having someone, anyone, buys time to craft the narrative and gauge public sentiment and, most importantly, dampen the probability of a revolutionary ’spark’ if you will.
Obviously we don’t have enough information here. It very well could be the dude they have in custody. I am only sharing one possible theory based off my experience and observations. And there are a number of very suspect observations here that are in line with narrative management.
Does everyone still feel the same if he turns out to be a neoreactionary / accelerationist?
Per The San Francisco Standard
Mangione gave Ted Kaczynski’s book “Industrial Society and Its Future” four out of five stars, writing that the man known as the Unabomber was “rightfully imprisoned” for “maiming innocent people” but noting that his actions were “those of an extreme political revolutionary.”
Mangione’s social media accounts paint a picture of a tech enthusiast with a soft spot for conservative thinkers. He has retweeted posts from right-wing capitalists like Peter Thiel and lists an applauding biography of Elon Musk as one of his favorites on GoodReads.
Have you seen his abs?
Besides which, it’s difficult to say violence is wrong when we tolerate apatheticly so much systemic violence.
And with the new administration we’re expecting to see so much more with mass deportations and killing our already meager social safety nets.
We’re always three skipped meals from mass riots that overwhelm responders. It’s an exciting time to be alive.
And then there’s that, haha.
It does seem that everything is hanging from a thread. It’s a completely valid response to just say, F- it, and watch the world burn.
At that age I had similar ideas. This didn’t stop me from turning as leftist as it gets. Anyway it is all irrelevant. He did firebomb the walmart, he did the redacted and that’s enough to absolve him from any leftist sin. Don’t you dare turn this into yet another culture war.
Fair take. That wasn’t my intention, although, now, I suppose that maybe a natural progression.
I admit, there is definitely a disconnect, considering his actions, but, I really am torn on the idea. I guess, I question that if (and big if) his intention is to build this type of future, would his actions be enough to make others sympathetic to his cause? If, or at what point, people turn away?
I’m Italian. We had a long season of leftist terrorism with popular support. People started feeling alienated when they kidnapped and killed the centrist prime minister because he wanted to ally with the Left. Kneecapping dozens of CEOS just won the terrorists more and more support.
Also sympathy to causes is different from power. We should be concerned less with how an action impacts public opinions and more on how it impacts power structures, potential for action and mobilization.
The future vice president of America is close with the leaders of the neoreactionary movement. I suppose, I wonder if a positive public opinion would make it easier for them to mobilize.
Edit: ending up with support from both sides of the isle.
Yes. I don’t understand why the right will excuse pedophilia and mass murder, but the left will throw somebody under the bus if the follow the wrong person on shitter.
Applaud the actions, do not create a hero. Nobody will live up to those expectations for everybody.
Because the transnational white power movement believes in loyalty over principle like any other dangerous cult. If you are an ally, you could eat children and would still be favored.
And if you’re in the outgroup, then they pretend as if you eat children.
They’re not interested in governance but culling the population, so they’re choosing people who are unpersoned by fiat.
If we wanted something different, we shouldn’t have voted in the monarchists. Now King Heron is in power and it’s frog-eating season.
That’s a sensible way to look at it. People’s actions can be separate from thier outlook, and that’s ok.
yeah but if it turns out this is the guy, I think actions speak louder than words.
It could just be the tech culture he was around, and not the actual reasoning. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Of all the people, it happened to be someone who likely uses lemmy.
How awesome would it be if it turned out to be no poop guy??!
…I’m sorry, what? No poop guy?
Last summer there was a guy asking for advice on not popping for 3 days.
…that explaination only raises MORE questions!
And that sums up the whole poop ordeal.
Training for the escape. Might not be able to safely shit for up to 3 days.
For the uninitiated: https://web.archive.org/web/20230624223444/https://lemmy.world/post/440073
wait…there’s only like a thousand of us !
We are all Luigi.
Forever Player 2.
Huh?
I almost explained that, then read your username…
I am Luigi
I’m Luigi and so’s my wife
can confirm… this guys wife wants me to call her Luigi
I am
Sparticus! Errr…Luigi!brb naming my newborn Luigi
I am Luigi.
No, i am Luigi!
Does the police media briefing affect his right to a fair trial? They mentioned his motivation and mindset and a note. Apparently he implied money had been planted in the charge hearing.
Why do I keep reading his name as “Luigi’s Mansion”
Lucky the police got him before he got nintendo’ed.
Problem solving. Maybe we shouldn’t have pushed STEM so hard to the underpaid, unemployed, underinsured masses.
-Somebody with the wherewithal probably
Luigi Mangione is a CEO shooting suspect.
FIFY
Lemmy went from being outraged at the elections to becoming un ironical Unabomber stans so fast that I didn’t even realized it
The article spelled Hero wrong…
You know, is said he worked UI at Firaxia from '15 to '17, which first made me think he worked on Civ VI, but then more likely Xcom Chimera Squad?
You don’t get that job without having some interest in games. I hope it turns out he actually played Assassin’s Creed and is intentionally pulling an Ezio look, smile and all.
He started a game dev club at his uni iirc
I read in an AP article that he worked on Civ VI as an intern, so you would be correct.
One of us
So you’re a killer?
I kill bugs all day long.
One of us.
Him… Him, that guy, him, that dude, me, this guy, that guy over there, the dude next to him, the guy by the bathrooms, and the line beside it, the lady by the punchbowl, I don’t know the pronoun of the dj, but I heard them agree as well.
Raise your hand if you want to read the suspect’s manifesto!
have a look at this guy’s twitter: https://x.com/pepmangione?lang=en
Can you screenshot it? I’m not signing up for that shithole site.
I doubt they will release it if has any teeth…
They’d have to if they wanna use it as evidence.
in 2 years for the court proceeding?
2 years?
Edit: tinely trials are the birden of the defense. Prosecution/plantiffs have more restrictions. I’m not too sure how New York specifically operates
they will waste all the time they can while mentally and physically abusing him in the system…
Luigi, bro, you on Lemmy? Lmk
Yeah. 40+. Blind, mostly. Lower back problems. But definitely a different last name.
I mean, he might not be able to log in right now…
