Summary

Elon Musk’s frequent presence at Mar-a-Lago and his involvement in sensitive conversations have raised concerns among Trump’s longstanding advisers, who view Musk as overly assertive and self-promoting.

Musk’s push for influence, including voicing policy ideas and taking credit for Trump’s win, has raised concerns about his motives and loyalty.

  • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    People don’t understand, they both speak the same language. They’re both natural grifters… What’s more Musk is probably better at it than Trump was. Trump needed lessons from Roy Cohn, who was a ruthless, damaged, low empathy, closet homosexual and self-hater.

    Musk didn’t need that kind of mentor, he’s a natural grifter, and my bet is that Trump is fascinated by him. They do similar things in different ways.

    Only in certain scenarios would this blow up, and Musk has already bent the knee to Trump, so those scenarios are unlikely.

    Musk is a friendly fellow grifter Trump can use, and has power over, which is what Trump likes.

    At best we’ll see Musk become a fall guy for Trump’s shortcomings. But seeing as Trump may later die in office, Musk might also avoid such a fate. Only time will tell.

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    Please let them be too busy fighting amongst themselves these next four years they just are unable to get anything destructive done.

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      I am 100% in favor of teenage drama derailing their efforts to remove bodily autonomy from women.

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      That’s the plan. But while the government is ineffective, big businesses will have free reign to fuck us over.

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        At least that wouldn’t be some new dystopian nightmare. Just the same old run of the mill dystopian nightmare we’ve already been living in.

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        I’m sorry for being mean, but have you learned nothing? All the democrats exist for is to slow down the fascists ever so slightly and then just peacefully hand over power to the fascists when they gain control again.

        We need real change, the kind of change that only comes from a revolution. The democrats do not give a shit about you. They serve only the wealthy.

        Stop believing their lies. Go out there and unionise!!

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    He’s also the only appointee who’s sharing his power with someone else. Ramaswamy and Musk will not work well together.

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    I’m pretty sure a little over half of the conservatives hate Musk just as much as the left does. He painted himself as a victory factor when in reality he’s just a liability. Conservatives don’t like the reminder that Trump got less votes this time that in 2020, and I like to say Elon is why.

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      Elon almost certainly earned votes for Trump by

      1. Funding a shit ton of election ads
      2. Using Twitter to push propaganda
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        I begrudgingly have to concede and acknowledge that you are correct. That being said, he still did so indirectly as his name and ugly fucking face weren’t attached to those.

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    Trump has a habit of burning everyone close to him the second it is either (A) useful to him or (B) they are no longer unswerving loyal to their fuhrer. Musk is a dumbshit nepobaby who can’t shut the fuck up and steals credit for everything he’s near that he didn’t ruin. It’s only a matter of time before Trump burns Musk, and all I can ask for is that it completely ruins them both.

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        Musk is far richer than Trump could ever dream of being. Trump might be president, but Musk can use his money to get away with anything.

        So it will be a fun fight to watch.

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    I suspect Musk’s welcome is as long as his chequebook. I think trump sees the $, if his “advisors” are offering him less $ I doubt Trump cars to listen.

    The only issue might be if any of it could be proven to be criminal bribery - that seems unlikely though.

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      Trump is literally and figuratively immune against any prosecution. He raped children, stole and killed millions.

      I am no American, but at this point I think he could produce and distribute CP right in the oval office and nothing would happen. And that is the one thing next to murder, he didn’t already commit publicly.

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    Let the infighting begin! Trump hires the worst people and creates a toxic “vie for the king’s attention” atmosphere.

    I wonder how many mooches he’ll last.

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      Yup! Weirdly Trump’s own worst qualities also tend to neuter his ability to deal damage somewhat (only somewhat! Goddamn is the man just a pandimensional wrecking ball). He attracts some of the very worst people, but then he chews through them for whatever purpose he had in mind for them, and then invariably even those people leave his orbit and go “wow everyone, that guy really is a piece of shit”. Pretty incredible stuff.

      Similarly, his only actual ambition is personal greed, specifically his own wealth and fame. There’s no ideology or barely even planning in him I don’t think. Pretty sure his life is really best described as just the series of the nastiest, most self-serving moves he could think of at each moment along the way, with zero purpose except his own enrichment, both in dollars and fame/what he probably perceives as “power”.

      Of course what he seems to see as power or something desirable, everyone not trapped in his S-tier narcissism distortion field sees as just him stating the terms of his own manipulation to whomever wants to take advantage, for mutual benefit. Right in the open. But sure, he’s the tough talker we need on the world stage, lol. Amazing. Sorry, just realized I have reached full tangent mode now, I regret nothing but I’ll end my rant heh.

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        This is all very true - I’m just hoping he hasn’t learned from last time about how to effect change in government. Unfortunately it seems like those around him are just more sycophantic than last time. One thing he has learned is “who is loyal” which could be a problem…

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          Yeah, I hear that. I do think his extreme narrow focus is a legitimate and severe neurodivergence, he’s not going to like…stop being that way, ever, to any degree. It’s how his mind is shaped I think, he doesn’t even enjoy music, laughter, actual human warmth, even just alcohol, all things broadly considered to be the most human things. There’s no room for anything but his bizarrely narrow drive.

          Whether there are people in his orbit who have learned dangerous things is a more troubling question, one we can only really hope is tempered by his unique extreme toxicity (and hopefully in this case the massive inertia of all the many people in branches of govt who’ve made that their career and have a personal interest in the status quo).

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        Regardless of how many loyalists he has he’ll get in the way of himself along with some Republicans in the senate, Democrats using the filibuster and the right wing media will get him to change his mind. 2 years isn’t a lot to make all of these changes before the democrats at least take back the House

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      Trump hires the worst people and creates a toxic “vie for the king’s attention” atmosphere.

      Now thats a mutually assured destruction scenario I’d be in favor of.

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      Donald “I have the record for the most people fired from a cabinet” Trump? He only hires the best people!

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    Trump’s longstanding advisers, who view Musk as overly assertive and self-promoting.

    Sounds like “trumps longstanding advisors” are worried they did all this work to get trump in power to use him are seeing musk come in and begin to use trump instead of them.

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      People should be afraid of musk. He’s gone completely mad with power. He doesn’t have to BE the president to be the hand in the puppet. Trump would be difficult to control, but whoever follows trump will be hand-picked.

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      He’ll have them sign something saying they were never advisors at all and he was there from the start.

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      Pretty much. His advisors have quietly expressed “concern” to the media about a lot of things, and they go nowhere.

      Every once in a while, it does. Laura Loomer seems to have been forgotten. That might just be Trump getting bored with sleeping with her, though.

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      Honestly, once Trump gets sworn in, I assume the people around him who want to implement Project 2025 won’t have any more use for him. That’s why Vance is there, just look at his track record, he knows how to play ball.

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    The only redeeming feature of this whole sorry mess will be watching those hyaenas constantly tearing each other apart.