• A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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    26 days ago

    AI is nothing more than a way for big businesses to automate more work and fire more people.

    and do that at the expense of 30+ years of power reduction and efficiency gains, to the point that private companies are literally buying/building/restarting old power plants just to cover the insane power demand, because literally operating a power plant is cheaper than paying the energy costs.

    For the common every day person its 3d tv and every other bullshit fad that burned brilliantly for all of 3 seconds before snuffing itself out, leaving people to have had paid for overpriced garbage thats no longer useful.

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      26 days ago

      AI is nothing more than a way for big businesses to automate more work and fire more people.

      All technology in human history has done that. What are you proposing? Reject technology to keep people employed on inefficient tasks?

      At some point people need to start thinking that is better to end capitalism that to return to monke.

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    26 days ago

    game devs gonna have to use different language to describe what used to be simply called “enemy AI” where exactly zero machine learning is involved

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    26 days ago

    I had a professor in college that said when an AI problem is solved, it is no longer AI.

    Computers do all sorts of things today that 30 years ago were the stuff of science fiction. Back then many of those things were considered to be in the realm of AI. Now they’re just tools we use without thinking about them.

    I’m sitting here using gesture typing on my phone to enter these words. The computer is analyzing my motions and predicting what words I want to type based on a statistical likelihood of what comes next from the group of possible words that my gesture could be. This would have been the realm of AI once, but now it’s just the keyboard app on my phone.

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      26 days ago

      The approach of LLMs without some sort of symbolic reasoning layer aren’t actually able to hold a model of what their context is and their relationships. They predict the next token, but fall apart when you change the numbers in a problem or add some negation to the prompt.

      Awesome for protein research, summarization, speech recognition, speech generation, deep fakes, spam creation, RAG document summary, brainstorming, content classification, etc. I don’t even think we’ve found all the patterns they’d be great at predicting.

      There are tons of great uses, but just throwing more data, memory, compute, and power at transformers is likely to hit a wall without new models. All the AGI hype is a bit overblown. That’s not from me that’s Noam Chomsky https://youtu.be/axuGfh4UR9Q?t=9271.

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        26 days ago

        I’ve often thought LLMs could replace all of the C-suites and upper and middle management.

        Funny how no companies push that as a possibility.

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          I almost expect that we’ll see some company reveal it has been letting an AI control the top level decision making for the business itself, including if and when to reveal the AI.

          But the funny thing will be that all the executives and board members still have jobs and huge stock awards. They will all pat each other on the back for getting paid more money to do less work, by being bold and taking a risk to let the computer do half their job for them.

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    26 days ago

    I dunno about him; but genuinely I’m excited about AI. Blows my mind each passing day ;)

    • iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com
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      26 days ago

      I work at a company big into AI. We build our own models. Our senior management drank the Kool-Aid. We don’t have search on our Intranet any more, just LLM chatbots.

      Our TLS certificate expired last week on our main web page. I tried to find the contact details for the team responsible and the thing just hallucinated e-mail addresses.

      Needless to say, I’m less excited than you.

  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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    26 days ago

    I think when the hype dies down in a few years, we’ll settle into a couple of useful applications for ML/AI, and a lot will be just thrown out.

    I have no idea what will be kept and what will be tossed but I’m betting there will be more tossed than kept.

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      26 days ago

      Maybe in some places, but I just found this:

      https://www.arcade.ai/

      A Market place, where people can generate their ideas of jewellery and order them after. Makes life of goldsmiths and customers way more easy. I do not think aI will leave this project, for example.

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      26 days ago

      Snort might actually be a good real world application that stands to benefit from ML, so for security there’s some sort of hopefulness.

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      26 days ago

      I recently saw a video of AI designing an engine, and then simulating all the toolpaths to be able to export the G code for a CNC machine. I don’t know how much of what I saw is smoke and mirrors, but even if that is a stretch goal it is quite significant.

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        An entire engine? That sounds like a marketing plot. But if you take smaller chunks let’s say the shape of a combustion chamber or the shape of a intake or exhaust manifold. It’s going to take white noise and just start pattern matching and monkeys on typewriter style start churning out horrible pieces through a simulator until it finds something that tests out as a viable component. It has a pretty good chance of turning out individual pieces that are either cheaper or more efficient than what we’ve dreamed up.

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          26 days ago

          AI is like the calculator for the mathematician. A very useful tool that allows you to be more efficient but is completely useless without someone capable of handling it.

      • gian @lemmy.grys.it
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        and then simulating all the toolpaths to be able to export the G code for a CNC machine. I don’t know how much of what I saw is smoke and mirrors, but even if that is a stretch goal it is quite significant.

        <sarcasm> Damn, I ascended to become an AI and I didn’t realise it. </sarcasm>

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      AI is very useful in medical sectors, if coupled with human intervention. The very tedious works of radiologists to rule out normal imaging and its variants (which accounts for over 80% cases) can be automated with AI. Many of the common presenting symptoms can be well guided to diagnosis with some meticulous use of AI tools. Some BCI such as bioprosthosis can also be immensely benefitted with AI.

      The key is its work must be monitored with clinicians. As much valuable the private information of patients is, blindly feeding everything to an AI can have disastrous consequences.

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    Yup.

    I don’t know why. The people marketing it have absolutely no understanding of what they’re selling.

    Best part is that I get paid if it works as they expect it to and I get paid if I have to decommission or replace it. I’m not the one developing the AI that they’re wasting money on, they just demanded I use it.

    That’s true software engineering folks. Decoupling doesn’t just make it easier to program and reuse, it saves your job when you need to retire something later too.

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      The worrying part is the implications of what they’re claiming to sell. They’re selling an imagined future in which there exists a class of sapient beings with no legal rights that corporations can freely enslave. How far that is from the reality of the tech doesn’t matter, it’s absolutely horrifying that this is something the ruling class wants enough to invest billions of dollars just for the chance of fantasizing about it.

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      26 days ago

      Their goal isn’t to make AI.

      The goal of both the VCs and the startups is to make money. That’s why.

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        It’s not even to make money, they already do that. They need GROWTH. More money this quarter than last or the stockholders don’t get paid.

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          Growth doesn’t mean revenue over cost anymore, it just means number go up. The easiest way to create growth from nothing is marketing tulips to venture capital and retail investors.

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      The people marketing it have absolutely no understanding of what they’re selling.

      Has it ever been any different? Like, I’m not in tech, I build signs for a living, and the people selling our signs have no idea what they’re selling.

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    I’m waiting for the part that it gets used for things that are not lazy, manipulative and dishonest. Until then, I’m sitting it out like Linus.

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      I’m waiting for the part that it gets used for things that are not lazy

      Replacing menial or boring tasks is like 90% of what I’m hoping from it.

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      This is where I’m at. The push right now has nft pump and dump energy.

      The moment someone says ai to me right now I auto disengage. When the dust settles, I’ll look at it seriously.

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      AI has been used for these things for decades, they are just in the background and not noticed by laypeople

      Though the biggest issue is that when people say “AI” today, they mean specifically LLMs, but the world of AI is so much larger than that

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    And then people will complain about that saying it’s almost all hype and no substance.

    Then that one tech bro will keep insisting that lemmy is being unfair to AI and there are so many good use cases.

    No one is denying the 10% use cases, we just don’t think it’s special or needs extra attention since those use cases already had other possible algorithmic solutions.

    Tech bros need to realize, even if there are some use cases for AI, there has not been any revolution, stop trying to make it happen and enjoy your new slightly better tool in silence.

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      26 days ago

      Hi! It’s me, the guy you discussed this with the other day! The guy that said Lemmy is full of AI wet blankets.

      I am 100% with Linus AND would say the 10% good use cases can be transformative.

      Since there isn’t any room for nuance on the Internet, my comment seemed to ruffle feathers. There are definitely some folks out there that act like ALL AI is worthless and LLMs specifically have no value. I provided a list of use cases that I use pretty frequently where it can add value. (Then folks started picking it apart with strawmen).

      I gotta say though this wave of AI tech feels different. It reminds me of the early days of the web/computing in the late 90s early 2000s. Where it’s fun, exciting, and people are doing all sorts of weird,quirky shit with it, and it’s not even close to perfect. It breaks a lot and has limitations but their is something there. There is a lot of promise.

      Like I said else where, it ain’t replacing humans any time soon, we won’t have AGI for decades, and it’s not solving world hunger. That’s all hype bro bullshit. But there is actual value here.

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        Hi! It’s me, the guy you discussed this with the other day! The guy that said Lemmy is full of AI wet blankets.

        Omg you found me in another post. I’m not even mad; I do like how passionate you are about things.

        Since there isn’t any room for nuance on the Internet, my comment seemed to ruffle feathers. There are definitely some folks out there that act like ALL AI is worthless and LLMs specifically have no value. I provided a list of use cases that I use pretty frequently where it can add value. (Then folks started picking it apart with strawmen).

        What you’re talking about is polarization and yeah, it’s a big issue.

        This is a good example, I never did any strawman nor disagree with the fact that it can be useful in some shape or form. I was trying to say its value is much much lower than what people claim to be.

        But that’s the issue with polarization, me saying there is much less value can be interpreted as absolute zero, and I apologize for contributing to the polarization.

  • Buttflapper@lemmy.world
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    26 days ago

    Copilot by Microsoft is completely and utterly shit but they’re already putting it into new PCs. Why?

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      Investors are saying they’ll back out if no AI in products. So tech leaders will talk talk and all deal with ai.

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    26 days ago

    There was a great article in the Journal of Irreproducible Results years ago about the development of Artificial Stupidity (AS). I always do a mental translation to AS when ever I see AI.

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    26 days ago

    Like with any new technology. Remember the blockchain hype a few years back? Give it a few years and we will have a handful of areas where it makes sense and the rest of the hype will die off.

    Everyone sane probably realizes this. No one knows for sure exactly where it will succeed so a lot of money and time is being spent on a 10% chance for a huge payout in case they guessed right.

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        Git is a sort of proto-blockchain – well, it’s a ledger anyway. It is fairly useful. (Fucking opaque compared to subversion or other centralized systems that didn’t have the ledger, but I digress…)

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        Cryptocurrencies can be useful as currencies. Not very useful as investment though.

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      It has some application in technical writing, data transformation and querying/summarization but it is definitely being oversold.

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    I admit I understand nothing about ai and haven’t used it in any way nor do I plan to. It feels wrong for me and I believe it might fuck as harder than social media ever could.

    But the pictures it creates, the stories and conversations don’t seem like hot air. And I guess, compared to the internet we are at the stage where the modem is still singing the songs of its people. There is more to come.

    I heard it can code at a level where entry positions might be in danger to be swapped for ai. It detects cancer visually, recognizes people by the way they walk in China. Also I fear that vulnerable persons might fall for those conversation bots in a world where there is less and less personal contact.

    Gotta admit I’m a little afraid it will make most of us useless in the future.

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      It makes somewhat passable mediocrity, very quickly when directly used for such things. The stories it writes from the simplest of prompts is always shallow and full of cliche (and over-represented words like “delve”). To get it to write good prose basically requires breaking down writing, the activity, into its stream of constituent, tiny tasks and then treating the model like the machine it is. And this hack generalizes out to other tasks, too, including writing code. It isn’t alive. It isn’t even thinking. But if you treat these things as rigid robots getting specific work done, you can make then do real things. The problem is asking experts to do all of that labor to hyper segment the work and micromanage the robot. Doing that is actually more work than just asking the expert to do the task themselves. It is still a very rough tool. It will definitely not replace the intern, just yet. At least my interns submit code changes that compile.

      Don’t worry, human toil isn’t going anywhere. All of this stuff is super new and still comparatively useless. Right now, the early adopters are mostly remixing what has worked reliably. We have yet to see truly novel applications yet. What you will see in the near future will be lots of “enhanced” products that you can talk to. Whether you want to or not. The human jobs lost to the first wave of AI automation will likely be in the call center. The important industries such as agriculture are already so hyper automated, it will take an enormous investment to close the 2% left. Many, many industries will be that way, even after AI. And for a slightly more cynical take: Human labor will never go away because having power over machines isn’t the same as having power over other humans. We won’t let computers make us all useless.

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        Thanks for easing my mind a little. You definetly did in perspective to labor.

        You also reminded me I already had my first encounter with a callcenter AI by telekom and it was just as useless as the human equivalent, they seem to get similar training!

        I just hope it won’t hinder or replace interhuman connection on a larger scale cause in this sphere mediocrity might be enough and we are already lacking there.

        The albeit small but present virtual girlfriend culture in Japan really shocked me and I feel we are not far away from things like AI-droid wives for example.