Ah, the folks extending a hand to meet in the middle are radical and fringe.
Got it.
Funny to think of the right viewing the, globally speaking, center-right as “radical left”. The level of hyperbole and hypocrisy from the right is stupefying.
It’s one thing I am trying to impart on my kids. If someone speaks fluently in hyperbole and absolutes, or getting louder the more they are challenged (or both), 100% they are full of shit and trying to sell you something.
Funny to think of the right viewing the, globally speaking, center-right as “radical left”. The level of hyperbole and hypocrisy from the right is stupefying.
This is a major part of the problem we’re in. And I’m sorry but I’m going to “both sides” a bit because there is plenty of blame to toss around.
Democrats and Republicans have both been upping the rhetoric for decades, describing their political opponents in harsher and scarier terms. Most politicians did so understanding that it was all basically just “campaign talk” and not really true. But it gets votes so you do it. You can see this when you see retired politicians giving interviews where their language is much softer and reasonable than when they were in office.
Republicans turned it up to 11 quicker than Democrats though - and Donald Trump and his followers actually believed the rhetoric rather than understanding that it was just campaign BS.
… if one side moves farther to the right, and the other side stays where they are, the side calling out the mover isn’t “both sides”.
(Not that Democrats haven’t also moved farther right)
I mean… I say right in the post that Republicans are worse. But partisans are simply incapable of any introspection.
The reason you are being downvoted is because you are doing a “both sides” over two right wing political parties in a left wing space that overwhelmingly recognizes that neither party represents us or our interests. Whether you mean to or not you are lumping everyone left of center in with the right-wing Democrats simply because they are the least-right party that currently exists, and that is not only reductive, but harmfully inaccurate.
They literally did a 180 on immigrants when Joe Biden was president what are you talking about lol
When did Democrats treat Republicans harshly? The problem is that they don’t, they’re spineless bastards who would rather take one step towards fascism than two steps towards progress
When did Democrats treat Republicans harshly? The problem is that they don’t, they’re spineless bastards who would rather take one step towards fascism than two steps towards progress
I get so 'fing sick of this “we play too nice it’s why we lose” BS. And yes - BOTH SIDES do that.
You mean by stopping Walz from calling Republicans “weird?”
Bush II was called a fascist FFS. Back when we still had a court that didn’t believe the president was a king actually and congress would at least occasionally push back on the executive.
Just because Dubya wasn’t given the freedom to exact fascism, doesn’t mean The Decider didn’t want it.
I’m not gonna go into detail because PhilipTheBucket already did that, but: Yeah, the court only stole the election for him.
Ah yes, Bush, the paragon of antifascism
This comment was satire, right?
You hear harsh words and assume they must be hyperbole without trying to determine the truth. The truth is there have been fascist elements in US government for its entire history which have waxed and waned over time; it was waxing under Bush II and now it’s a full moon. When people warned about fascism you say they were being unreasonable, even though you seem to acknowledge that Trump really is fascist, vindicating their warnings.
Bush 2 was a fascist. Stealing the 2000 election, and constructing this whole extrajudicial framework with ICE and Guantanamo and whatnot, very directly laid the groundwork for what’s happening right now. Trump is only able to direct a law enforcement agency to wander the land executing his will without having to convince anyone whose allegiance is to the law instead of their orders, because George Bush set it up for him in the first place. Right-wing media at the time getting in on defining a fantastical narrative under which they could direct the anger of their followers at “enemies,” Bush saying that atheists shouldn’t be considered citizens… it was all there. It was just new, so it was just getting started, it couldn’t have much impact and the country resisted a lot of it.
Trump is more fascist than Bush was. But the people who were seeing the first little seeds of something that could grow into something horrifying, all the way back then, were 100% right.
People were saying to anyone who would listen that Guantanamo was going to lead exactly where we are today. The sane washing as we call it now goes back so far.
Let’s not forget who came after W. Those who could have undone the damage but only cemented it further and built it up.
You notice how things went from “Oh we just call them weird” to full-on “THEY’RE FASCISTS” in like 0 seconds?
It was probably because Trump was talking and is now acting, like a fascist.
Hell, he’s got a card carrying, open neonazi in his cabinet, that he picked. Twice.
Ie, Gorka.
What would you call the current state of the GOP right now if not fascism?
They are literally definitionally fascist though? What the fuck do you expect?
For the record, the “weird” meme was years after their rhetoric was deemed objectively fascist by every historical expert on the subject. It wasn’t hyperbole, only people saying, “it can’t happen here, that’s a slippery slope argument”.
And now here we are: SCOTUS-approved racial profiling, concentration camps, disappearing, FCC openly stifling free speech, open attack on sec 230, a budget to benefit oligarchs, pay2win tariffs, rule-by-executive-order. Trump now considers it an act of terrorism to say you are anti-fascism.
To still bend over backwards to say “both sides” at this point is absolutely wild to me.
1864?
This is a deep cut, this is an underrated comment lol
Thank you.
A few Democrats have properly called out Republicans for what they are: fascists and Nazis. This very much hurts the feelings of the fascists. Can’t you see how mean it all is?
Likely will try and pull some ‘because congress is absent’ emergency rule bullshit to grab for full dictator powers.
The other subtext is coloring Schumer and Jeffries as terrorists.
They’re going to do all that that anyway. Trying to argue that we should give them what they want because they might do bad things otherwise is a quite absurd position considering all the terrible and illegal things they’ve done already and helping them in their pursuits is exactly what the Democrats have been doing this entire time.
Hadn’t said anyone should give them what they want, but I see them using as a pretext to try a power grab.
More evidence for the next Nuremberg trials.
Nuremberg trials happened because an alliance of antifascist countries fought hard at great cost to take the fascists down with the help of organized resistance inside. Today we don’t seem to have any of the prerequisites.
There are precedents from a few different countries that fought to overthrow a tyrannical government and then had to sort out how to deal with recovering and rebuilding their politics and society in whatever form. Chile, Argentina, South Africa, or Ukraine might be better models than postwar Germany.
There is also this: https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/126900/8008_FDTD.pdf which is based on absolutely exhaustive real world research about what does and doesn’t work, and is highly regarded in a ton of activist communities outside the US (and for some reason almost unknown inside it.)
Imagine invading the Americas. Hope you got allies in canada, central and or south America to establish a beachhead (assuming they havent been occupied).
D day only had to cross the channel and it was a immense effort.
Democrats need to let the shutdown happen but im almost positive they’ll just give the fascist everything he wants instead.
That’s exactly what Republicans want. They’ve already proven previously that the people don’t actually care about a shutdown occurring. And that just lets t hem further reduce government expenses. The things that get shutdown are things they can’t grift from anyway so they don’t care about them.
It’s a lose/lose, but at this point the fascist-controlled agencies are actively working against their intended purposes, so losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil.
losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil.
Standards are low. We can easily do better if we break these legacy political parties duoopoly on the electoral system.
Okay, but that’s not going to happen by October or whenever the funding deadline is.
You gotta have a plan that’s actually actionable in the short term, or else you’re just indulging in pointless wankery.
Schumer et al: “best we can do is write some sternly worded letters”
This is offensive. They also had signs.
Ah yes I almost forgot about those ping pong paddles…
“Send us money to keep first past the post voting safe and the two party system intact!”
They need to shut it down AND call for a nationwide general strike. And then we don’t stop until every Republican has been removed from government, gerrymandering has been outlawed and fixed, and RCV is the law of the land.
Seriously. That’s what’s lacking from nearly all Democratic politicians. They don’t want to lead, they just want resistance to materialize externally, do some tone policing, and then take credit for any successes. When you’re systematically powerless, you should be building your power to impact the system from external sources.
They’re going to let the shutdown happen but they’re not going to point the blame where it needs to go. They’re going to be spineless and let the Republicans blame them for the shutdown.
They absolutely have to shut it down. That said, if they lose the messaging game (they will) they will absolutely lose this fight.
Shutting it down would be giving him what he wants: expanded powers and no one to answer to (because the government is shut down).
oh good. its on him then.
Make Fascism Great Again
I wish they were radical left.
Yep. They might actually do something.
According to the very special imperial political spectrum created by the USA, they are leftists! Of course this has no bearing on reality, a perfect fit for our country the United Scammers and Assholes.
Or even regular left.
Id settle if they just left all together.
Or left light, or left light classic.
It’s just left zero.
Are they crystal left?
They are, I’m afraid, new left.
Ah yes, right.
Man that shit got cancelled so fast and hard Tipper Gore put a warning label on it. This shit is like Kroger-brand diet Pibleft.
How do you shut something down that isn’t working?
Things can always get worse.
If he will call you radical left anyway, then why not try to be the radical left he calls you for just a day?
What would the donors think?
Americans about to be sitting on a worlds supply of soybeans:
Like he voluntarily meets black people or Jewish people who don’t suck his dick.
Calling it. Something about “but muh federal works don’t deserve this” wiping away tears with $100 bills.
Shut down the government. Fascism is based on one part greed, and if the lowest arent getting paid maybe they’ll stop being able to do as much damaging stuff.
Watch the 2 corrupt dems fumble again.
Why would Trump need to meet with democrats to avoid a government shutdown? Democrats are not in control of any chamber of Congress. Is Trump admitting that he does not command the loyalty of the Congressional Republicans that do control Congress?
A normal funding bill would require 60 Senate votes. They don’t have that.
Out of reconciliation bills for the year already?
I dunno. I think they can do a continuing without any Dems but - maybe not
