Appeal to the Supreme Court and let them overturn the conviction on the History and Tradition grounds that there’s no historical precedent from infringing on the gun rights of people on crack. 5th Circuit already ruled on this matter and acquitted the defendant on similar grounds, in the case USA v. Daniels.
The supreme court is ready to drop everything and confirm the lower court’s ruling
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/22-60596/22-60596-2023-08-09.html
For anyone curious. I mean I disagree with these ridiculous overlay broad second amendment interpretations personally, but looks like he has an appeal argument based on how the courts have been treating the second amendment lately. I look forward to the mental gymnastics of the second amendment extremists on this case.
It was always spelled marihuana until they propagandized it.
Wikipedia suggests that the origin of the j in marijuana is a bit more obscure than that:
The origin of the word “marijuana” foreshadowed its current use. Historically, the earliest and most numerous group of users in the Americas were slaves from western Central Africa (modern Gabon to Angola. Their words for cannabis are now used in nearly all the places they (involuntarily) ended up during the 1700s and 1800s…Most notably, in Central America, the Kimbundu (Angolan) word mariamba became the Spanish word marihuana.
The word “marijuana” as we know it today did not appear until 1846 in Farmacopea Mexicana, though it was spelled “mariguana”. In most following instances, the word was spelled marihuana. In Chilean Spanish, mariguanza is the dance of a shaman in an altered state of consciousness.
Mary Hane just doesn’t have the same ring to it
It’s like they channeled their inner Hank Hill.
I might be wrong but doesn’t being drunk count against you too in this case, no more drinking and hunting
I’m definitely not voting for Hunter Biden now
Rrrrraaaahahhhhhhaaaa
People keep making this joke, but like, would you really not vote for him if he was the Dem nominee?
Our last two Dem nominees have been the wife of one president, and then the VP of the next Dem president. One of HW kids was president, and another came close despite neither having charisma or intelligence. Shit, like at RFK jr running around.
And people keep saying it doesn’t matter how bad the Dem is, republicans are worse.
So if Hunter is on the ballot in 2028 against a Republican, you really wouldn’t vote for him?
I wouldn’t, but having standards other than the letter by someone’s name isn’t a popular position here unless it’s hypothetical.
But I’d take a crackhead over someone that supports genocide. And if we’re taking someone that supports genocide over a Republican…
Doesnt the transitive property of logic thing mean we should vote vote for Hunter if the only other option is a Republican?
Why does everyone have standards when it’s hypothetical and doesn’t matter, but we throw them out the window when it’s real?
I don’t think your examples work. Hillary Clinton was also previously a Senator and Secretary of State, so she had experience in national politics. Joe Biden was Vice President and a Senator so he also had decades of experience.
Yeah. She was senator in NY…
A state she never lived in, and is rife with political corruption at the state level. A seat that was always going to go blue, but didn’t even have a primary?
NY state Dems are basically republicans.
And the SoS was an appointment.
Hillary won exactly one election in her life, and it was handed to her on a golden platter.
Joe Biden was Vice President and a Senator so he also had decades of experience.
Remember when that experience meant he could get republicans to support dem.policy?
That was the 2020 primary. And by January 2021 he was telling us it would be crazy to expect him to change a Dem senators mind so he wouldn’t try.
Sooo much experience he’s been trying to win the nomination for checks notes 32 years?
And the only reason he got it was about 5 candidates all dropped out less than 24 hours before Super Tuesday? After they’d spend millions on ads for Super Tuesday?
Oh yeah…
Such great candidates. /S
Hillary won exactly one election in her life, and it was handed to her on a golden platter.
You should fact check better, she was elected in 2000, and reelected for a second term in 2006.
Why ask questions about something completely irrelevsnt?
Trump’s kids were in the news because they had postitions in his administration and were potentionally going to get into politics. Hunter has zero relevance for Biden’s administration and has no interest in politics. Whether peolle would vote for Hunter is just a lame attempt to both sides completely different things.
While I see your point, it hinges on voting for Hunter Biden in lieu of Trump. I can’t say I would – I know little of Hunter Biden’s policy stances --, but I find it very far fetched to believe Hunter would get the nomination over another democratic politician, so it seems like the argument is pointless.
but I find it very far fetched to believe Hunter would get the nomination over another democratic politician
And Doc Brown was surprised Ronald Reagan ran. I was surprised Hillary came back in 2016 after 08, I was surprised trump was a candidate in 16, 20, and 24. I was surprised Biden was the nomine in 2020 when he’d been trying to win a presidential primary since 1988 and never made it to the general.
The party has been openly saying for like a decade they can not only rig the primary, they can just ignore results and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them
I’m just wondering what your think will change where all of a sudden candidates stop getting worse.
And why your line for Hunter is “smoked crack, lied about it, admitted it”.
While Biden is literally funding and assisting with a genocide, while lying about it and breaking US and international law. And is committing the same human rights abuses at our border, that we all complained about when Trump did.
Like, c’mon man. It’s just crack…
You think crack is worse than genocide and human rights abuses that are in violation of US and international law?
And Doc Brown was surprised Ronald Reagan ran.
You know that movie was a work of fiction and that was a joke, right?
Reagan had already been heavily involved in politics by 1955. He wasn’t running for office yet, but it wouldn’t have been a surprise at all. The only thing Doc Brown would have been surprised about was that Reagan supported things like nuclear escalation and was so against labor unions during his presidency.
You keep bringing up Genocide like it’s a factor?
Trump not only supports but encourages it. And wants to bring it here against the evil brown people…
People who think this way are either behaving irrationally or don’t understand electoral strategy. I will always vote for the better of the two candidates in the current system. If it was Trump vs Hitler, well damn, I guess I’m voting for Trump. It’s not an endorsement of anyone, it’s simply a matter of how to minimize the harm of the current system.
By the way, Trump supports genocide more than Biden, so if that’s your key issue, you should vote for Biden.
would you really not vote for him if he was the Dem nominee?
Absolutely. I prefer my lawmakers to not be convicted criminals.
Though, if your hypothetical had both candidates being convicted criminals, then I’d have to look closer at the alternatives, as well as examine how damaging the 2 criminals are likely to be going forward, shoukd they gain power.
convicted
Is that the important part?
Because, again, Biden is openly breaking US and international law and despite a shit ton of evidence, he just keeps denying it
We ratified it way back in 1988, the first year Biden tried to be president actually, so you’d think he’d remember it.
International law: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention
US law: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/2304
So do you deny that he’s providing aid to a nation committing a genocide?
Or are you ok with it until he’s convicted and then it’s an issue?
Because man, I don’t know how you haven’t noticed, but it’s pretty fucking hard to convict a president.
And if my choice was Hunter or Joe, I’d prefer the recovered crack user to the guy actively assisting in a genocide but won’t admit it’s a genocide.
Lesser of two evils, right?
How many dead innocent children has each Biden caused? I don’t think Hunter has been responsible for any deaths…
Again, Trump has PROMISED worse.
So how does genocide factor into your decision making?
And if your choice was Trump or Biden? What a stupid hypothetical “Hunter or Joe”. Come on out and directly say you’ll support Trump. All your word salad is basically saying “vote for Trump” or “don’t bother voting because both sides”.
I’m not willing to blame Biden for Netanyahu’s crimes.
There is no president in my lifetime that would have treated Israel signifigantly less kindly than the current administration has.
Lesser of two evils, right?
Yes, actually. Trump absolutely would have continued sucking up to the Israeligovernment, rather than attempting to have the combatants negotiate a cease fire.
I’m not willing to blame Biden for Netanyahu’s crimes
Providing material aid to a genocide is against US and international law tho…
Like, if you admit there’s a genocide going on, and you admit Biden is providing aid despite evidence of the genocide…
There’s not really any room for Biden to have not committed a crime.
So, Hunter is the “least of three evils”, and I was trying to find out why so many people consider him worse than his dad.
It doesn’t make logical sense.
Which is probably why no one has seriously tried to explain why Hunter is bad but Joe is fine.
If you could eat food from the pantry of a really rich person, but that person was a proponent of the holocaust, would you?
I mean since we’re talking about things not remotely related to the topic, why not ask you something as well.
Writing one sentence per paragraph.
Does not make you profound.
Or convince anyone of anything.
All it does is make it impossible to read.
And take up a lot of space.
That’s not a haiku.
Having one sentence per line.
Does not profound make.
that’s a haiku.
Though I’m not very good.
My haikus suck.
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“let me imagine a fictional universe to get mad at”
usually people just make up a fake type of guy to be mad at
So you expect Republicans to stop supporting terrible candidates but expect Democrats to support terrible candidates?
What?
Currently republicans are supporting terrible candidates, have been for decades…
but expect Democrats to support terrible candidates?
We’re currently running someone breaking US and international laws by providing munitions that are being used ina genocide…
Someone that even went around Congress to avoid a delay of just a couple days.
In my eyes, Hunter is the lesser of two evils when comparing him and his dad.
So I was hoping to understand why people say they’d never vote for a (recovered btw) crack addict.
Like, finally you all really think what Hunter did years ago is worse than what Joe is doing today?
Im not getting answers, just insults.
Which is disappointing, but not surprising anymore.
The right wings of both parties seem to have went off the deep end a long time ago. Which would be fine, except they were both driving the bus when they did it
Both the same is a tired attempt. Go back to Russia.
How much cocaine did GWB do? He was already elected president after admitting it.
So why not?
Hunter Biden is clearly well hung and fucks. That’s 2/3 of the requirements to be president right there.
(The last is be rich so Hunter Biden 2028?)
I legitimately want to know why this is so disqualifying to people.
We’d have to go pretty far back for this to be inexcusable for a member if either party.
Why is a felony used to deny their right to vote?
Because using felony convictions to punish people can easily be weaponized against minorities. They can also be ignored when it comes to rich white guys.
That’s all maga wanted!
Just another example of Joe Biden weaponizing the Department of Justice! …oh wait.
In all seriousness, most people could see this result coming from a mile away. The prosecution had a solid case against him. I expect the justice system to hold everyone accountable for their actions, regardless of who they are. Republicans expecting us to do backflips to defend Hunter Biden as some sort of “gotcha” are completely out of their gourd. He earned this conviction through his own deeds, just like how Trump earned his.
They don’t understand that we don’t worship Biden like they do Trump. Hell, most of us don’t even like him that much.
My sister was the victim of public enemy #1 in my state. She survived but there’s cyber stalking laws now because of her. Biden as a Senator sponsored her to speak to Congress. She’s the recipient of the Jefferson Award.
My sister doesn’t like his politics, she probably didn’t vote for him. But there’s no question that Joe Biden is a good person. He is
I think he’s a good person, but I agree with your sister and don’t like his politics.
I will most definitely be voting for him and anyone else who isn’t a Republican for the rest of my life, though.
I will most definitely be voting for him and anyone else who isn’t a Republican for the rest of my life, though.
I wish I had more years on this earth just so I could vote not Republican for longer than I’m going to be able to!
Ideally, there either won’t be any more Republican candidates to not vote for or they’ll somehow salvage themselves as a legitimate political party, but I doubt either of these things will happen in my lifetime.
I believe they can reform themselves, but like you I know I’ll be dead of old age before they possibly could.
Theyd have to stop being giant pussies and slightly less dumbass so yeah your lifetime probably not
It’s kind of a shitty law in the first place, but he was assuredly guilty of it. It’s still unusual that they went after him for it when it wasn’t connected to any other crime (which is usually when federal prosecutors use this law) and really unusual that the judge threw out the plea bargain.
I don’t really get this take. I’ve seen the same people wanting stricter gun control and also saying this is a dumb law. Most responsible gun owners who are pro gun rights would agree that we don’t want drug addicts to have guns. Why isn’t this something people can all agree on? Admittedly, this is hypocritical as hell because police don’t bother to follow up on felons who own guns, and even infrequent marijuana use prohibits people from purchasing firearms. But, it’s just good sense for someone who is addicted to crack to not own guns.
Even with the details of this case, my understanding is that it all started because he was on drugs, and didn’t have his gun safely stored and his then girlfriend, also a drug user, took it and threw it in a trash can in a public place, which is an excellent reason not to let drug users have guns.
Drug addicts need to defend themselves too! /s
“Drugs” are a pretty broad category of thing, it’s unlikely that you’re ever going to get an honest answer out of anyone, and it’s even more unlikely that anyone using illegal drugs who wants a gun is going to not buy a gun because of this. It’s just more war on drugs bullshit.
I’ll also add that if people were actually worried about the competency of people buying guns to own guns, then it would make far more sense to put the burden of proof on the person buying to prove their competency. But that’s not what this law is really about.
It was clearly used as a political tool in this case.
Republicans expecting us to do backflips to defend Hunter Biden as some sort of “gotcha” are completely out of their gourd. He earned this conviction through his own deeds, just like how Trump earned his.
Look at all the tears I’m crying because of my blind loyalty to the Biden family! Ah wait, actually I figure if he did those things then justice was served. Sorry magas.
So far a fair number have actually come out against the verdict, including Lindsay Graham… which makes me think there are a number of Republican legislators who own guns and enjoy partaking in a little nose candy from time to time, as well.
Whoop de fucking doo.
Since this was never actually newsworthy, can he go away now?
I don’t give a fuck about any Biden beyond my firm-but-disheartening vote for Joe, but this particular law is bullshit. That question ought to be removed from the federal form.
What upsets me is that it’s pretty much never actually enforced except as an add-on for violent criminals.
I used to sell guns, and people would attempt to illegally buy guns from my store all the time and the Feds didn’t do shit. I had convicted felons on camera outside the store giving cash to people to go buy guns for them, and law enforcement didn’t care.
But THIS they’ll prosecute.
Side question: Should’t it also be illegal for Hallie Biden to dispose of an illegal firearm by putting it in a trash can outside a grocery store for a random person to find? That seems like a very irresponsible way to handle a firearm and evidence.
Should’t it also be illegal for Hallie Biden to dispose of an illegal firearm by putting it in a trash can outside a grocery store for a random person to find?
It likely IS illegal to do so but she’ll never be prosecuted for it.
Rigged Witch Hunt Scam third world two tiered justice system /s
We livE IN a BAnANa REpUbLIc!!!111
Speak for yourself, I live in a J.Crew
Good
Surely now the NRA will come out and protest this flagrant violation of Hunter Biden’s second amendment rights!
There is a strong argument on constitutional grounds here, it’s why it’s almost never charged.
You can drink and buy a gun.
Do a little crack?
(Okay, a lot of crack)
As long as you don’t smoke crack or drink with the gun, it’s okay by me.
Look, my gun likes to have fun. He’s not loaded so we can’t get too out of control. Plus we don’t want to relive the lampshade incident.
Always practice safe sex folks.
🤣
Ah yes, they finally caught the Biden Crime Family, surely they will be forced to yield to the all powerful might of the very strong and handsome Trump. He’s a shoe in to win the election now, no Russian or Chinese meddling or rioting to overturn the results needed!
Are you telling me that a white rich person was convicted of a gun crime, in America?
Ironically if he wasnt a rich white guy, then he would have either gotten away with it entirely, or would have got a misdemeanour plea deal.
Literally the only reason this became a felony conviction is because his name is Biden.
Exactly, it’s sad.
No. It’s what should happen. Because then us rich white people can get our heads around the fact that these laws are fucking barbaric.
I’m genuinely confused as to why I’m supposed to care? Yay, good for you, conservatives! They got trump, so YOU got Hunter Biden. Wow, good job! Anyway…
This wasn’t political as much as Fox News might want it to be.
Actually it kind of was.
This is what they could dig up on the Biden’s after giving a special prosecutor near-carte-blanch to look for dirt on President Biden (and the rest of his family.) this, and the tax stuff.
Even then, they would have had a plea deal, which was more inline with normal sentencing and shit, except that, it wasn’t “enough” so the prosecution decided to fuck around.
As for the tax stuff also being brought in California… that’s been settled by the IRS and still being prosecuted all the same. Because politics.
So what’s the typical sentence?
I’ve read a few opinions, and they appear to agree that since he’s a rehabilitated first time offender, he might not go to prison, but a 1-2 year sentence is possible.
Under federal sentencing guideline recommendations, he could be sentenced to over a year in prison
I know multiple people, several of them fine upstanding Republicans that have violated this same law by lying on this same form. Hell, one of them has done it repeatedly in order to straw purchase firearms for his son, a convicted felon.
Wouldn’t it be unfortunate if someone reported that kind of thing? Which one should do, since we’re talking about a convicted felon possessing firearms.
we had one around here who shot up highland and whos bussiness went bust. Its funny how the community does not appreciate such loving family behaviour.
Highland Park, IL? I know someone who was there and had to hide in doorways on the street just below the shooter before sprinting away, while his friend was in the crowd being targeted.
yup. was not there thankfully but man I don’t get how stupid people can be. Its pretty obvious if you have a son like that you don’t help them get a gun.
I get that the law is the law, and the jury has to rule as such (barring nullification), but this is such a stupid law.
None of our other constitutional rights are contingent on not using controlled substances.
Serious question: are there other constitutional rights that can provide the direct means to kill?
Non-serious answer: depends on how sharp your insults are.
