So 4chan that said they wouldn’t pay the UK fine as the UK doesn’t have jurisdiction over companies based in the USA is going to sue UK over stuff that 4chan can’t be responsible for?
4chan will sue the UK trying to hold them responsible for UK law, in US court. Foreign judgement limiting freedom of speech. Seems to be in line with their strategy of not being an UK company so not paying fines: “Your laws don’t apply to us. Hell, they aren’t even constitutional!”.
It’s more than that. They argue that the whole network that we call the Internet was invented and is currently maintained by America (and they are not wrong), that other nations failed to invent and deploy competitive solutions and UK trying to enforce some rulings on an American network is absurd.
the Internet was invented and is currently maintained by America
why do I expect anything from 4chan?
Well, technically, if you look at
- who manages and sells IP addresses allocations IANA
- which organization controls domain name systems, top level domain naming and registrar assignments ICANN the USA has critical foothold in controlling the internet.
Hey, downvoteers, go read the first page of the lawsuit. Thank you.
Do you think the UK government even considered that? Do you think the Tories, who passed this law, or labour, who are full-throatedly supporting this law, even considered this?
They didn’t even consider vpns. We literally have a member of the House of lords talking about VPNs as if they were some obscure technology. She literally said “Have your heard of VPN”, one referring to it as if it was some sort of singular service.
Heartbreaking: the worst person you know just made a great point
And it’s kinda funny to see it breaks so many people’s brain.
Is it really so complicated to support them suing UK over OSA, without supporting the sites themselves?
NO, there has to be a good guy who only does good things and a bad guy who only does bad things!
–Lemmy
if kiwi farms was a person I would bully the crap out of it until it shit it’s pants and then I’d lock it in a closet with its shitpants
If kiwi farms was a person, I’d throw them off a bridge and shit on their broken corpse
Wow.
You must be a fan, to be so light and kind about it.
Literally the worst possible champions of this cause.
First they came for my tendies…
Sir this is a Wednesday’s
Wendy’s sells tendies and i got GBP to spend
They come for the things nobody would be caught dead defending (often even people who privately engage in it) first. Look at how during the thing with payment processors and porn games, some people were saying they didn’t mind if it were just the rape games being banned. Those are used as justification for speech restrictions to the public.
(I don’t even think KiwiFarms should be legal personally, Chris Chan’s story should be considered evidence enough that they’re a harassment forum)
One of the games that was removed was a horror game about a stalker, which was made to raise awareness of sexual violence. Is that a rape game?
I’m just saying like I oppose the death penalty, but there are certain cases where I’m not going to die on that particular hill. I don’t believe they should be killed, but the context of the moment is going to alienate more people than it convinces.
Same thing here. I oppose identification laws but making that argument in defense of those two is going to make folks think it’s a fanatical position rather than a reasonable one.
It’s far better to argue from a reasonable position and then extend that to other cases than just argue these places should be allowed to continue to weaponize anonymity.
One I heard recently is a murder case. I’d say it sounds like murder but fuck it he deserved to die
slightly better (less bad?) champions of the cause are stuck in electoralism.
Who cares? Nobody else is fighting this crap.
Wikipedia also sued but lost
Wikipedia’s case was odd. They tried to fight that the act was illegal rather than them being caught by it was wrong (good for them), but did so by arguing that the Minister was uninformed and acted irrationally, which is a non starter.
The judge said that they can still contest whether they should be caught by the act. It sounded like the judge felt they’d have a decent case.
Now 4chan becomes the face of resistance to this shit, and people will think it is only being opposed by a bunch of deplorable incels. It delegitimizes the entire opposition - you can’t speak out against it any more without being associated with 4chan and whatever the fuck kiwi farm is.
At least that’s the risk, and that’s why I wish these sites would go die in a hole rather than involve themselves with things I care about.
Tbh, I don’t know why a push by more left leaning sites hasn’t happened? This would at the very least show the broader unpopularity of the age verification law among pretty much both sides.
What’s a left leaning site that has lots of ‘adult’ or ‘harmful’ content?
I guess the parts of the fediverse that allows adult content. There’s a lot of people on the fediverse dedicated to supporting sex workers and stuff like that. None of these sites or users are in a position to sue the UK though, I’m just giving a pedantic answer to your question.
You’re right.
Yeah, everyone and their dog should jump on this.
Because they have too much shame.
It takes the shameless to stand for freedom most of the time.
Which means frequently it’s the worse kinds of people, the loudest and the most shameless. Who start. Others then follow once the ice is broken.
whatever the fuck kiwi farm is.
Nazis.
Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently.
Wait until they sue Mississippi
nazi porn-enjoyers vs nazi government ultimate showdown
The complaint is hilarious. So on brand.
I guess they’ll win. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens then.
Oh no, they might dox the PM, call him a lolcow, and SWAT 10 Downing.
Their lawsuit will fail for the simple reason they only have to age verify UK citizens, not everyone. But it does go to show how stupid this law actually is. If the UK wanted to block 4chan (for example) to under 18s, then ISPs should provide optional filtering software with every account that can be enabled per device to do it. It would be far more effective than expecting websites around the world to police the UK’s own laws.
Hey 4Chan was a big reason behind no one taking Scientology seriously anymore
While Project Chanology has roots to 4chan, it was more of a collaborative effort between various other “chan” boards, the SomethingAwful forums, and various other pre-reddit forums, under the Anonymous banner. Also, about a few months into those protests, a lot of the 4chan kids specifically thought it was becoming cringe and bounced.
Project 2025 and Curtis Yarvin have direct ties to 4chan as well. Maybe not the horse you wanna hitch to.
Direct ties? They’ve trip-fagged once on it or something?
Who the fuck is Curtis Yarvin? And what the shit does P25 have to do with 4Chan?
Those are great questions to start with on your search engine of choice! If you’re more of an audio person, I find this podcast to be a great overview.
The polite version of lmgtfy
No thank you, I don’t do podcasts
lucky for you, most information on the internet is in the form of text.
Well, then my favorite search engines are Kagi and DuckDuckGo.
He’s the philosopher of choice for people like Peter Thiel and JD Vance. He advocates for moving to a neofeudalist system, arguing that democracy is a failed project. Beyond this, he holds some truly repugnant views that are woven throughout his ideology
As an ancap whose views have been called repugnant too, I say you could be more specific and say he’s racist, misogynist and mixes up social prowess, intelligence and wisdom, while these are three different things.
I still can’t believe ancaps are real lmao. It’s the most obviously flawed ideology o have ever seen.
Just look outside and see that this but worse is a terrible idea.
It’s the most obviously flawed ideology o have ever seen.
It’s the exact opposite. It’s the only one incorporating all the basic necessary principles.
Which is why Cato institute is the only ideological authority which I can read without starting to curse.
And I’m certain you don’t know shit about ancap just like every other person I’ve met saying this. Maybe you should LYAO over how you repeat one and the same statement on it never providing arguments. Laugh over yourself, you know.
It’s the point which all decent ideologies approach. Left or right, doesn’t matter.
If you don’t have private property, then you have group property, which in human nature means group leader’s property (and also decisions made in a group don’t make anything better, might read about Khmer Rouge, they didn’t have such a strict vertical hierarchy, the results were not nicer from that). If you don’t have non-aggression as a principle, then you make it acceptable to attack those you (or your group) decide to be wrong people (say, suppose you’re a white supremacist commune), and forfeit any moral justification of tolerance to your own ideology. If you don’t have natural law as a principle, then your ideology is self-contradictory and you’ll have violence as the main justification anyway (also see USA as a nation, all liberal and moralist around except when it’s about natives’ rights). If you don’t have personal responsibility and freedom of choice as a principle, then you erode any idea of obligation and decency, since obligations and decisions will be imposed by various jerks upon you left and right and you’ll learn to discard them. And if you compare imaginary heaven of some ideology to today’s real world and think that the result of such a comparison is an indicator of anything, you should see a therapist.
Just look outside and see that this but worse is a terrible idea.
This doesn’t mean anything. I pity you if it does for you.
Your large paragraph has so many fallacies I genuinely don’t think you’re being serious.
Also go fuck yourself my rights are literally being stripped away so that corporations can own the government more.
I ain’t readin all that
Free Palestine
US representative democracy may be a failed system, but it was designed in the 18th century when travel and long range communications was time consuming. Needs a major revamp for the digital world, and we are getting to the point where that could be possible (technology, at least).
JD Vance unironically believes in a Neo Feudalist?!
Who’s Peter Thiel
Peter Thiel
A right-wing billionaire who is responsible for a lot modern evils, but he sometimes likes to pull the “I’m not evil or racist, I am gay, so I can’t be”.
You may have heard of Facebook, or Palantir, or JD Vance.
Ah Milo Yiannapolous tried similar shit
I have not heard of Palantir
Is there some way they could both lose?
Uk loses the case, both Kiwi and 4chan go into debt from legal fees? (They’re definitely not making bank)
Where’s that worst person you know makes a good point headline when you need it
Thanks for pointing this out. Where IS the ‘Worst person you know makes a good point’-reference? Well, more like ‘The scum of the scum of the scum scum has a good point’…
I don’t really get this.
Whether I like the UK’s act, they are free to set the laws of their land. So if foreign websites don’t want to comply, the UK is also free to order its ISPs to block the site.
Which kids will then circumvent with VPN.
And so on …
Whether I like the UK’s act, they are free to set the laws of their land. So if foreign websites don’t want to comply, the UK is also free to order its ISPs to block the site.
Yes, and 4chan is an asshole, if you want to do business in a country you need to respect the country’s laws even if your company in not in that country.
What 4chan can do (and it is the only thing) is to block people from UK. Or find a way to convince a UK court that the law is unconstitutional (or the UK equivalent) but I would not bet on this.
Yes despite my downvotes I’ll stick my neck out to agree with you.
If a US company wanted to sell liquor online in the UK, they’d have to follow U.K. laws for alcohol licensing and age-verified delivery.
I don’t know why age verification is any different. That’s the UK law (which I disagree with for what it’s worth, certainly in its current implementation) and if you want to operate in the UK (and for a website that means be accessible to U.K. audiences) you follow U.K. laws while here.
From what I’ve read about this lawsuit is that the UK isn’t blocking the site, they are sending them daily fines for not IDing every user. The 2 sites are arguing back that they aren’t UK companies and don’t even have any business/physical presence in the UK, so as they have nothing to do with anything of the UK then UK laws and legal threats have no meaning to them. Which I agree with here.
I think they are seeking legal lawsuits like this to help prevent any future issues (like having arrest warrants issued for them in the UK, preventing them from ever being there, or the risk of other countries arresting them and shipping them to the UK to face the fines/charges).
Passing laws like this disproportionately affects smaller websites that are independent from big tech. A law like this HAD to come from big tech, where tech bros are exchanging money with the government for total wrangling and control of every step of their users / citizens.
As an analogy, currently in some countries tobacco and vape products can only be sold in certain stores in a certain way, hidden behind a counter, think tobacco stores, corner stores, gas stations or mom&pop depanneurs. Suddenly some government official receives bribes (through lobbying or otherwise) from a cartel of big-box stores and security-service providers that prompts them to propose a bill to mandate a security guard at every small store to act as a bouncer against letting children into the store. As a small business owner not only does this require you to hire a security guard and pay their salary + the overhead going towards big-sec, you are also losing revenue from potential customers (children) that would come into your store to buy chips, pop, ice cream or bag of milk (yes, bag). And I didn’t even get to the analogy of control aspect yet, just that of the smb.
It’s a stupid law and for a stupid reason (FOR THE CHILDREN!!) and I hope more, serious businesses pile on such a lawsuit and hopefully kneecaps anyone ever thinking about implementing such an idiocy. I’m looking at you Steam, GOG, Epic, etc.
Edit: to go further on the control side of the analogy, the security guard has to ask for the ID of every person wishing to enter the store, jot it down in their logbook and submit the logbook to their parent company hourly. The big-sec parent company now has this data for sale to anyone willing to offer. Including the government, who can then enact further control on their citizens based on the data obtained on their habits.
They don’t just block it, they try to fine the companies first, legal smothering.
The nihilist school shooters of the world are way more litigious than I thought possible.
Who is even running 4chan nowadays?
Last I heard 4chan-ers were referring to the owner as “Jap-moot”
I heard it was a hacker named 4chan.
did hacker go by this name prior to successfully taking over 4chan? that’s the question
I assume the FBI or CIA
Its a recruitment portal, basically.
Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel and current owner of 2ch.sc
