Dave is making money. Don’t blame him.
I quit a company for this. We wouldn’t give our star performers raises, but they somehow managed to pull off a 7 million dollar one week party for the whole company. It would’ve been something like 100k per employee had they just handed out bonuses.
We lost a wave of talent after that and their stock dropped 80%. I’m glad I cashed out when I did.
7 million could’ve paid 100k per employee? Impressive for a 70 person company to host such an expensive party then.
Er…shit…was off by half…it was 50k an employee.
Don’t blame him because he’s just “making money”? Might as well not blame the execs with that logic. They’re also just making money, right?
With this particular concert, no, they’re spending company money (which otherwise could have gone to employees) for themselves.
Dave is making money. Don’t blame him.
Tf kinda brain dead excuse is this?
Acting immorally is okay if you’re making money?
This is truly mind-obliterating stupidity.
Ya… being paid to perform isn’t immoral. Honestly, I hope he took a ton of cash from Amazon for the show.
Amazon is the crowd doing evil crap. Their immorality doesn’t automatically spread to everyone they interact with. Especially, people that aren’t actually aiding their efforts. This one is corporate waste
FFs took a huge paycheck of blood money that they could’ve easily turned down. They’re in it too.
Yes…I’m sure FF is intimately involved in Amazon internal politics. I’m sure they were made aware of every person fired to pay for their show before it was booked last year.
It’s a gig. A highly paying gig. They don’t fucking care who’s in the audience.
Yeah plus it’s not like they’re a new band desperate for cash and a big break - without doing any maths, I’m pretty sure Dave & Co. could easily turn down evert corpo gig that comes their way from now until forever, and still be out there living the high life.
This is absurd. I can’t believe the amount of hate I’m seeing here. They did a gig. Fucking get over yourselves. Wow.
I’d say you need a better grip on reality, but that would imply you had one to start with
My guess is that the argument is that participating in society does not equal endorsement of the system we live in. This is how musicians make money. By playing music to who pays for it.
That said, I myself am of two minds about them taking the money.
It absolutely does equal endorsement.
I’ll make my life harder to avoid companies and people I don’t support.
Have a fucking backbone and stand up for what you believe in. Why should we contribute to the things we abhor?
Do you think you it’s justified perform for these people if they getting paid?
It would be easy for the Foo Fighters to not take that gig. They’re doing fine either way.
It’s also possible for musicians to take a stand for change.
He’s not your average guy working to put food on the table lol. For someone of his status, his image being hurt from this is far more expensive than whatever they’re paying them for.
The ruling class needs a very poignant reminder that their perceived value is entirely manufactured by the working class, on whose shoulders they stand. These people have no real value if the people they exploit are able exert their own agency.
Fuck these parasites. And as a matter of course, fuck the foo fighters.
Yeah, call me when consequences actually happen.
We have to all work together to give those consequences. Workers need to act as a united force to push back against the ruling class. Checking out hurt the movement. Help us show them the consequences.
History has a way of repeating itself. Best we can hope for is a soft reset. It will always be this way until human avarice is somehow ejected from our genome.
Most of the people in those concerts are employed. They’ll have stock with Amazon, as does everyone working for Amazon on a full time, permanent contract.
You do realise Amazon is a public company, don’t you? If your country allows fractional shares, you could become an owner of Amazon for £10.
Is the “ruling class” anyone who has a report at Amazon?
Oh well see that would actually require communication and commitment.
We don’t do that. Something about needing that job that they definitely won’t pull out from under us to pay those bills that never go up.
Oh look everyone it’s part of the problem.
Bayer is solving it a different way: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pharmaceutical-giant-bayer-getting-rid-111358398.html
Bayer is one of the evilst companies in the world. Responsible for millions of deaths from AIDS
The song “Dr. Aiden” by B.o.B. talks about this. I think it’s a good song.
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They aren’t “solving it”, yet. They’re desperate to do something to wake up the stock and for investors to have some, any belief in the future of the business.
Whether they’re actually solving anything remains to be seen.
It’ll be very amusing to see that company to go down in flames.
WWRATMD
… With a pocket full of shells.
Probably not what they tell them
They should pour out a piss bottle for the warehouse employees who couldn’t attend.
Don’t give the Foo Fighters a pass for doing corporate gigs for these assholes either. They knew exactly what they were doing.
It’s so disappointing.
They were the best, the best, the best bootlickers.
Is Dave Grohl’s PRarmor finally showing cracks?? I’m so excited!
Easily the least rock and roll thing a rock star can do is take a big check to play a private show for a wealthy corporation lmao.
🤘
You nailed it.
What would be extremely rock and roll-- punk rock, even – is donating all of the proceeds from that show to pro-union efforts.
#DonateItDave, or something
Blood money put to good use is still a karmic negative. Amazon dehumanizes people. Israel dehumanizes people. At some point the excuses aren’t enough anymore.
Maybe look at it this way: Foo Fighters effectively get Amazon to fund union activity by playing on stage for a couple of hours.
The difference between an artist and an entertainer
I remember seeing: Nick Cave is an artist.
I think I finally got what that is supposed to mean.
But is that statement even true lol
Right? Dave has always been a very sneaky raging narcissist. I’m glad he’s finally showing his true self.
Has he?
Yes, he absolutly has. He’s treated a couple friends of mine that work at a local amphitheater like shit. I’ve heard a lot about him otherwise, here and there. He just has a really good PR team.
I’m disappointed in Dave grohl
Eh, all he did was accept money to do exactly what he does: play a concert. Now if he canceled other concerts just for this, that would be a different story IMO. The Amazon execs would just buy a yacht or something instead if Dave declined.
Ah the ol’ “If I didn’t accept the money to do something unethical, then someone else would have done it.” argument.
Yeah, I can see how it could be seen that way. I’m thinking more along the lines of “Dave performs for money. Someone wants to pay a lot of money for a special performance, and it doesn’t affect any of his other shows so of course he would do it”. IMO what Dave did isn’t unethical, but I can see how it could be seen that way. But I also think if the article was “Amazon Execs bought a multi million dollar yacht after massive layoffs”, no one would be blaming the yacht manufacturer. Just the execs.
no one would be blaming the yacht manufacturer
I already don’t support yacht manufacturers. I own foo fighters albums. There is a massive difference in your example.
The yacht was a bad example. What I’m getting at is that not hating something is not the same as supporting it. I don’t support Dave doing this, but I don’t hate him for doing it either.
Fair as fuck
Here’s a better one: If the Amazon execs threw a private party, no one would be blaming the caterers.
Assuming they’re not already millionaires, correct.
So I won’t buy a yacht anytime soon. Good.
Perhaps it’s not against Dave Grohl’s ethics but it’s certainly against mine so all I can do is add the Foo Fighters to the ever growing list of people or companies that don’t get my attention or money.
To be honest I’m thankful all this stuff is out in the open as I’m saving a lot of money.
I don’t shop on Amazon, don’t use social media, don’t eat McD, don’t buy Foo Fighters albums, don’t watch Will Smith movies, etc.
Ah, the piecemeal approach to becoming a hermit. Eventually you’ll just add literally everything to your “failed my purity test” list.
I don’t know. Macklemore is a pretty stand up guy and will stand by his morals. Plenty of people ain’t selling out and plenty of people stand up for what they believe in.
Kinda strange all the back lash for my choice here but y’all won’t give the same backlash for FF choice. Double standards much.
I’m not talking to Dave Grohl, I’m talking to you.
Don’t expect perfection, or you’ll always be disappointed by people. Macklemore included lol
What did Will Smith do?
He assaulted a man on live TV and later was given an award and never faced any repercussions.
Also, over shadowed Samuel L Jackson’s night.
Ah, I see. I was thinking he might have done something else and didn’t hear about it.
LMAO reading this IMMEDIATELY after replying to a… slightly different vibe of comment:
Beauty & strength through diversity [of thought]!
Tbf it’s not like grohl needs the cash is it
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Fucking-A, Dave. At least Kurt never sold out.
I dunno. Man’s getting paid to play music. If he takes that money and does something better with it. That’s still a positive. Don’t be a hipster lol
Live a life of luxury with small portion going to annual donation for PR and tax purposes…
Bootlickers jfc
In case you haven’t noticed, EVERY SINGLE FOO FIGHTERS CONCERT SUPPORTED CORPORATE OVERLORDS. The tickets you bought? Corporate Overlord sold 'em to you. The tunes you bought? Corporate Overlord. The venue you went to? Sponsored by a corporate overlord. The Beer you drank at the venue, the fucking merch you bought, hell, even the fucking parking fee you coughed up went to a corporation. You don’t get to enjoy music anymore without supporting corporate overlords.
You’re being an antagonistic asshole and you know it. And you use the term bootlicker incorrectly.
Bro… I don’t go to concerts because fuck rent seeking parasites. Small venues only chief.
I don’t pay for corporate music. If I like the artist and they accept payments. I will pay direct.
I am sorry you can’t imagine a world without sucking some rich dudes’ dicks.
Simping for some celeb on here… I don’t even know who these clowns are. They had like one hit wonder in 2000s. Wtf is u so worked up over?
Your the one all worked up calling people corporate bootlickers. Pretend all you want that you don’t live in a world where you don’t support corporations to enjoy music. Pretend all you want that your not doing the same exact shit your complaining about. Your sucking off some rich dude just to for whatever reason avoid giving money to a corporation and instead give it straight to rich dudes pocket. Weirdo is acting like he doesn’t listen to his shitty music on YouTube music or Apple or whatever corpo platform. Keep pretending you would even know half the artists you do without corporations allowing them to advertise it on an app you use on your cellphone.
Jfc… You make so many assumptions that’s more telling about you than anything.
Protip: selfhosting and Yarr ;)
Protip2: don’t give money to gereatirc clowns, give money to up and coming talent who is a actually developing instead of milking their fame
Calm down their puddin, ain’t nobody trying to eat your pie.
Go on about yourself with your bootlicking antagonistic bullshit.
Every musician who releases music works with corporate overlords jackhole.
Tell me, what noncorporate music playing device do you listen to your tunes on?
When you buy a beverage at your non-corporate venues, whatcha drinkin’ their pal?
Dave Grohl didn’t steal your rent money & you have fucking clue rock & roll is, Junior.
So once a musician becomes popular, you switch to up and coming talent? Major hipster and superiority complex vibes from your posts.
Don’t research every small venue you visit to make sure it’s not part of some giant corporation?
You sound angry about the world.
Lemmy skews heavy 30+ so most people here will never understand. But I’m right there with you.
The tickets you bought? Corporate Overlord sold 'em to you.
Never bought them, i can sneak into anything worth being at.
The tunes you bought? Corporate Overlord.
Never bought them other than physical copies direct from the label that only has 5 artists.
The venue you went to? Sponsored by a corporate overlord.
Never went, any “venue” I’ve been to was come and go.
The Beer you drank at the venue
Didn’t buy it, made and brought it.
the fucking merch you bought
Never bought it
hell, even the fucking parking fee you coughed up went to a corporation.
I go to venues through piblic transit so i can get intoxicated
You don’t get to enjoy music anymore without supporting corporate overlords.
I’ve been contributing to small fedi artists just because they’re small fedi artists.
You’re being an antagonistic asshole and you know it. And you use the term bootlicker incorrectly.
If you even want to talk about you insecurities that you project, I won’t offer myself because you already made up your mind about who I am before you finished reading this. Get help. Twat.
Imagine if they gave some or all of it to an Amazon union drive. A prank of historical proportions
Die a hero or live long enough to become a villain. Kurt punched his card before it could happen to him too.
This is absurd. Dave is no villain. Y’all need to get some sunlight.
I see. Easier with bootlicking champ… Why is u worshiping another man like this. Its uncouth
Worship? Wow. You talk shit like a 10 year old. LMAO
Why is u mad tho
Oh not mad. Laughing at you bro. Take care.
Seriously. This is as shitty as the Right boycotting Budlight.
Go ahead & burn your FF tunes. Hell make a social media post about it. It’ll do good, we promise.
Why don’t you wait & see what Dave does with money? Anybody know what his charitable interests are?
Y’all just want to burn some one & you’ll burn your heroes as easily as your villains. Buncha fuckin’ assholes.
To be fair the right boycott things for being inclusive. I like to boycott things for being divisive or shitting on the little guy.
Does it matter? To the companies and people I boycott, probably not. But I know I’m not giving my money to people I don’t agree with.
I guess my point is, in what way is Foo Fighters playing for Amazon divisive?
Amazon was going to pay someone to perform at that show & that performer, regardless of whether it was FF, was not going to convince Amazon to give that money to employees that deserved it.
So what exactly did the Foo Fighters do to earn this level ire? You’d rather Amazon gave that money to another performer?
If everyone really feels that strongly about FF taking this gig, then start a campaign telling FF how you think the money should be spent.
I’d certainly consider that a better use of everyone’s anger.
Divisive. Just look at these comments.
The argument if it’s not them it’ll be someone else is pretty weak.
I may as well rob my neighbours house, if it isn’t me it might be someone else aye?
Yeah I’d rather they give it someone else if it goes against FF morals. I certainly would have turned it down if I were them.
Look, congratulations on being able to turn down a paycheck from Amazon. I myself would absolutely take that paycheck from Amazon.
But I digress… So, back to the topic at hand.
In what way is any of this FF’s fault? What have FF done to divide anyone? Perform?
Amazon wanted a concert. Amazon got a concert. Amazon was going to get a concert, regardless of who performed.
Your argument is that FF are fault because… because why? They should’ve turned it down?
Who should have performed for Amazon then?
If that argument is so weak, you go right on ahead and tell me who the ethical choice would be for an Amazon concert? Dua Lipa? Green Day? Chris Brown?
You know what? Your right. Every single established musical act should have displayed the mental fortitude & character to turn down Amazon’s money.
The key word there is SHOULD, but should isn’t always realistic.
Be mad at Amazon. I’m with you on that. But blaming a band because you don’t like person who signs their check is pretty self defeating in my opinion.
The Foo Fighters don’t owe any of us shit & our opinions on their income streams are irrelevant.
This post and all the threads are concerning. This is either being heavily moderated to appear this way, tons of bots or maybe I need to just unsubscribe from this community. WTF
Keep in mind the prevailing sentiments of any post are heavily influenced by who shows up first. In this case, a number of people showed up with opinions antagonistic to your beliefs. It’s not necessarily representative of the community, just the majority of the people in the comment section at that time. Those with beliefs that run contrary to the prevailing theme in the comment section may decide just not to comment instead of being involved in conflict, further reinforcing the bias.
The right boycotted bud light because they were being transphobic. We are simply calling attention to the fact that Dave Grohl does not need the money and doing a show for Amazon execs is a decision he didn’t have to make. I’m not boycotting him, I don’t suddenly hate him and want him to die or something. So please do not compare me to the bigots who decided that a few beer cans showing someone who is trans was basically the end of the world.
Many of us are critiquing his decision and some of you are really upset by it for some reason. We have that right and it’s a valid thing to point out. Would you not judge him for playing a trump rally?
Right, but you have no clue how FF will use that money & you’re willfully ignoring that Amazon has already infected the music industry.
Your moral outrage at FF completely ignores that the band lost a drummer & cancelled a tour on the heels of a global pandemic. You have no idea what their debt to cash ratio is and whether they intend to use that cash to keep costs down for fans or maybe even help Taylor’s family with it.
This thread has seen half of a story, chosen their villain, and are now willing to jump on anyone who might show a modicum of patience and empathy.
So go ahead, call out the Foo Fighters for taking dirty Amazon money… but you still only have a story.
I have a feeling Foo Fighters/Dave Grohl must mean a lot to you and this must be a very difficult discussion for you to have. I’m not really sure I deserve the snipes you are taking at me so I’ll just leave it there. Hopefully you’ll understand the response to it isn’t as binary as your making it out to be, and that you don’t need to be so angry/hostile for people questioning the decision of a successful musician. It’s just a discussion about what we perceive as social responsibility.
I’m not a fan of the Foo Fighters I think they’ve already sold out & while I don’t dislike them, I’m not a fan.
What’s difficult about this conversation is that everyone else has made it black & white, over whether Amazon’s money is tainted.
That’s everyone’s only argument, Amazon money is bad & the Foo Fighters shouldn’t have taken it.
But… that argument ignores the nuance I’m trying to point out.
That money was going to be given to a band or musician for concert full of gross Amazon execs. Full stop. That is all it was ever going to be used for by Amazon & neither you or I can stop it.
So if the Foo Fighters shouldn’t have taken that money, than who should have received it? What band would you prefer to have played for Amazon?
That concert was going down with it without the Foo Fighters. So if not them, then who?
Well for starters, he played a private show for Amazon execs.
Wow, such an exhaustive list you’ve put together. On behalf of everyone, i sincerely thank you for your service.
I have no skin in this game dude, I don’t hate Dave Grohl suddenly. I just think this performance was incredibly tacky. You’re way too defensive about this.
He’s a performer. Who he performs for does matter to some degree. If he played Trump’s inauguration, for instance, people would rightfully judge the decision.
It’s not like he needs the money at this point. He can be a little more discerning.
Man, you’re way over thinking it.
I have no problem criticizing the band. I agree it’s not the best look.
The nonsense above acting like the Foo Fighters / Dave Grohl should be burned at the stake is a bit much, no?
Agree 100%
I’m sure it was presented to the band like this “hey will you do a private show for a dump truck of money?” Of course the answer is yes. As if he has any way of knowing what’s going on inside a company, who’s specifically on the invite list - come on…. He’s a rock star - he plays shows for money, bitches, and blow. That’s all there is to it - he ain’t the villain here.
Rock probably died that day
It died a long time before that.
Didn’t he and the band literally promote AIDs conspiracy theories at concerts?
You are correct. 24 years ago the bassist got the band involved in the Alive and Well charity for nearly three years. The band decided they didn’t agree with the charity’s claims and quietly split ways.
So pretty much hitler /s
Yeah NBD at all! Lol
Imagine stanning for such a mid band
Kurt wasn’t offered millions for a private show.
Maybe to defend Dave, he thought that he was just doing a concert for amazon workers in general?
I’m sure they didn’t explicitly state that “this private concert is for execs only”
No pass granted. Amazon is currently hiring their anti-union lawyers as direct warehouse managers to fight the unionization efforts at KCVG Airhub. There is no excuse in 2024 to take a gig from this company and not understand who you are getting in bed with.
You think Dave keeps up with all of this?
That’s not an excuse.
Pathetic
I don’t care if he does or does not, the point is Amazon’s ruthless exploitation of the working class is not an unknown fact.
Ignorance is not an excuse.
Lmao
“Hey you can’t park here”
“There’s no signs saying that?”
“I don’t care if you know or not, don’t be ignorant”
Idk what point you’re trying to make. Are you saying we need to make signs for how Amazon abuses it’s employees?
Do you think every person on the planet knows this information?
Yes dude, piss bottles in the warehouse are a meme at this point. Working conditions in the warehouses have been making headlines since people died due to overheating way back in 2013.
Dave will have a manager that knows this stuff. Do you think Dave does all the administration that is required to set up a concert? The guy probably has a team of people. There is no way that they didn’t know. Amazon has a public reputation.
And you think his manager gives two shits about who he performs for? Money comes in, the manager books the gig.
You can’t blame Dave then, if as you said his manager set it up, which was my original point
You can’t blame Dave then.
If his manager set up a performance for neo-Nazis, you don’t think Dave still has a say?
Dave: “Oh no, my manager set up that performance for the group of sex offenders. You can’t blame me, I just play in the band.”
Please.
Stupid counter argument
Is it stamped on their heads that they are neo Nazis or sex offenders? Lmao, come on.
😂😂😂
So that’s who listens to this garbage…
If those dirty fucking workers had just worked harder they could have a Foo Fighters concert too.
Yeah I heard some of them had the gall to use the actual restroom on work hours. Like, get yourself a bigger bottle, and some better bootstraps! Amirite?
If those workers worked hard the execs could have had another concert after this one*
Best I can do is a YouTube video with ads for dick pills.
The real question is, how many pee bottles did they force Dave Grohl to fill in order to make his song quota in time?
ffs dave
Dave is a businessman first and foremost. I wonder how Pat is dealing with this sort of shit.
I wonder when “selling out” or being called a “sell out” stopped being a thing. It happened during my lifetime for sure. Now basically everyone everywhere you look in the music business not only is one, but the public seems to not even consider it an option to not sell out, and I think most people dream of being able to be a sell out themselves so much they pardon others preemptively and almost instinctively.
But like in this case, Dave Grohl is already a multimillionaire, does he really have to further prostitute himself for Amazon cash?
It fell victim to the “gig economy”, now it’s less “Selling out” and more “Get that bag”
I’ve got another confession to maaake
I’m kind of bewildered by it, like there wasn’t any expectations but this is the sort of thing a creatively spent band would do, one of their best (imo) albums came out last year they absolutely could’ve passed on this. I’m hoping they at least put on a dogshit show, “Corporate magazines still suck” on Rolling Stone type move.
they might be under contractual obligation to do what the record label says
🤷 and maybe someone was holding his dog hostage until he performed, but that pic doesn’t look like someone who is having a terrible time fulfilling his label obligations
i was never a fan anyway, couldn’t care less
I can’t find much about this gig online, but the Setlist.fm page lists this as a ‘private event’ for Amazon Web Services.
AWS is not the part of Amazon where employees have to piss in bottles. It’s their cloud hosting subsidiary, and the most profitable part of the company. I also can’t find any mention that it’s just the executives of AWS either. It seems more likely to me that this would have been open to the employees of AWS in general as it is the most profitable part of Amazon and the crowd in the pictures seems quite big if it were only made up of ‘AWS executives who like the Foo Fighters’.
The article says what part of Amazon it was for. It’s for logistics, not AWS, which is a separate division.
Its a yearly event that collect directors and above fork across the company to a week long “convention” that is supposed to be about building cohesive between leadership.
The author went in 2022, when they had bon jovi play, and said it was just a boozy networking event where leadership was dictated to by the execs with no actual exchange of ideas.
In 2022, Amazon made a record profits, but even then they were admonished to save money. Still, no layoffs.
This year? They also made record profits, but had record layoffs, yet the party goes on.
The authors overall point is that Amazon is successful by asking people to “lean in,” to go the extra mile. When you freeze wates and layoff 10,000s of thousands while threatening more and still throw you 10 million dollar party for yourself, you are telling good people to not only leave, but to lean right the fuck out before they do.
Bands do gigs. Everyone needs to relax. The amount of hate I’m seeing here for one of the nicest people who’s made it in the music industry is upsetting.
Wtf does this even mean?
Essentially, if you’re nice enough you’re allowed to do something bad once in a while.
It doesn’t make sense.
The hate is proportional to the level of betrayal people feel. These people are scum(Amazon execs). Dave and the band rewarded them with a special people only concert for being extra parasitic on society. Shame is not unwarranted here.
I mean, I’m not exactly giving FF a pass here but rewarded is factually incorrect considering FF was paid to do the gig. The show wasn’t some free pat on the back for the execs doing such a great job.
True but it’s not like it was a life-changing payoff. If they didn’t do this gig they could have been paid for a regular gig.
Again, not giving them a free pass. Just pointing out the terminology used is an overstatement.
lol
