Kilmar Abrego Garcia said he suffered severe beatings, severe sleep deprivation and psychological torture in the notorious El Salvador prison the Trump administration had deported him to in March, according to court documents filed Wednesday.
He said he was kicked and hit so often after arrival that by the following day, he had visible bruises and lumps all over his body. He said he and 20 others were forced to kneel all night long and guards hit anyone who fell.
I feel so bad for this man, because even if he’s acquitted of all the charges, the insane right wingers will never let him have peace. They’ll hound him and his family forever.
Heck, even if he is guilty and the jury determines as such, it’s still not an excuse to torture him to death either.
Too many Americans seriously believe failure to carry state documentation makes you legally a non-person. And being undocumented while brown flags you as part of an invading army.
He’s no better than an Arab, a Russian, or one of the dreaded Chinese and deserves to die in misery as an example to others
It’s a torture camp, explicitly known for being a torture camp, and used by Trump’s administration for that purpose.
“Coming to the US? We might pay El Salvador to torture you.”
Remember when Trump swore he was a member of “MS13” and our “news media” helped him out by publishing obviously photoshopped pictures of his hands with “MS13” tattooed on his knuckles?
Let’s get some follow-up pictures of his hands and see if that tattoo is still there.
They weren’t even photoshopped. They were literally just indicating the meaning of each tattoo. Which they of course said were MS13.
With respect, you are wrong.
Didn’t trump say this not the media? he’s just so dumb he didn’t even know
Yup. Trump saw the superimposed letters and numbers and thought they were actually on his knuckles.
So many people will hopefully sue and get settlements down the line, i just wish the global community could punish the US for all this bullshit
If a Presidential candidate ran on the platform of “we’re going to join the Hauge, and give up our veto power at the UN” I would vote for them.
Speedrun to getting assassinated by the CIA
Eh… We just need to get rid of veto powers and have an actual enforcement arm.
Right? The Federation is a long shot but we’re not even getting the backstory from The Expanse at this point
Can’t sue. They were “official acts”. So, everyone in the federal government who is a Reich Winger has qualified immunity for anything they do.
The supreme court’s ruling about official acts only applies to the president. (The president does have pardon powers for others, but pardon powers aren’t new.)
So, we all know that the entire administration can get away with whatever they like, and only Donald as the arbitrator of what is legal then, right?
You don’t have to be on the Left to not be on the Reich
I feel like a lot of people miss this point
I feel like anyone working in concert with a fascist state is a part of the fascist state. I feel like a lot of people miss this point.
The official acts ruling refers only to criminal charges, not civil suits. (afaik, idoanal, etc)
idoanal
😂
Qualified immunity applies to civil suits as well. Which is why we cannot sue cops.
Nuremberg
First has to be a WWIII…
This problem was made by the US for the US. World cannot save US from themselves. Just as US does not have any jurisdiction over El Salvador. They are just exploiting it for personal psychopathy. Which is a step beyond even Hitler.
This is exactly why they didn’t want him to return, and charged him the minute he landed. This story will be testimony for the cruel and unusual punishment that the US has subjected 275+ migrants to with the deportations to CECOT. We just need them to get it in front of SCOTUS.
I also can’t imagine this will bode well for Bukele, given that El Salvador is a member of the ICC, and these actions are very clearly forbidden by the Rome Statute.
We just need them to get it in front of SCOTUS.
What do you think that would accomplish? Case gets to SCOTUS, SCOTUS rules the administration was 100% correct, they are all terrorists, and anyone who defended them is also able to be denaturalized and deported to CECOT.
Ten bucks nothing happens.
No thanks. I don’t need to waste my money.
We just need them to get it in front of SCOTUS.
…you’re joking, right? It’s clear whose side they’re on and it isn’t the side of “I’m worried what history books will say about me.” There’s only three sane justices out of nine.
Who knows with the SC? They throw out a reasonable judgement every 3rd or 4th time. Sort of like insurance companies, gotta pay some claims to get good reviews.
Yeah I don’t think it’s a given they will support the president in everything. In fact, I foresee a future showdown with the Supreme Court that has potential to cause a constitutional crisis.
Court says one thing… executive ignores and does another… what happens? The legitimacy of the government is hanging by a thread. The next couple years will decide the next 20
In fact, I foresee a future showdown with the Supreme Court that has potential to cause a constitutional crisis.
What evidence do you have for this? Honestly asking here.
I mean, the SCOTUS basically ruled the federal level electeds, appointeds, and hirees all have qualified immunity for “official acts”, and “official acts” are anything Trump says. The SCOTUS also ruled the courts cannot stop the POTUS from doing anything, except in extremely narrow ways. The SCOTUS also ruled that every regulation is a government overreach. The SCOTUS also ruled money is speech. The SCOTUS also ruled that Trump can, at will, deploy the military on US soil to wage war against it’s citizens.
For a recent example, they said the president cannot deport people under the Alien Enemies Act and that the government needs to give people a reasonable timeline to get a lawyer and mount a legal defense.
The federal government lost that one (for now at least… they sent the question of Alien Enemies Act back to lower courts… but not habeus corpus)
What happens if in a couple of months, the federal government just sends some people to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act- directly ignoring the SC?
This would fit in with the administration’s strategy. Do legally dubious things to cause chaos. Ie sending troops into LA totally unnecessarily. Why? Cause protests, legal doubts about whether or not federal government has a right to use military against domestic citizens.
Or the military parade… or the tariffs… defunding NOAA hoping for a destructive hurricane, etc. It’s chaos for the sake of chaos. Same reason they deported the Venezuelans in the first place without habeas corpus.
It’s a concerted and consistent effort to weaken the public institutions until they feel like enough is enough and deal the final blow. The moment where they finally roll the die and cross the Rubicon.
The SC is the only one that has the potential to stand up to the administration. I firmly believe there will be a showdown.
Note- The “official acts” thing has more nuance although that can of worms is not something I have time for. But when that ruling happened, I read the opinions the justices.
Not everything counts as an official act. For example Reagan’s Iran Contra business would not have fallen under the definition.
You or I may not agree with the SC on every ruling. But the individuals on there, for the most part, are scholars of the constitution and hold a deep respect for it. It’s why even people like Kavanaugh who was appointed by Trump will sometimes rule against his interests.
We may disagree on some interpretations but these people genuinely believe in the rule of law. This will inevitably clash with the administration.
For a recent example, they said the president cannot deport people under the Alien Enemies Act and that the government needs to give people a reasonable timeline to get a lawyer and mount a legal defense.
And then said,“But we can’t make him stop ignoring us”
What happens if in a couple of months, the federal government just sends some people to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act- directly ignoring the SC?
Nothing at all.
Or the military parade… or the tariffs… defunding NOAA hoping for a destructive hurricane, etc. It’s chaos for the sake of chaos. Same reason they deported the Venezuelans in the first place without habeas corpus.
I think it’s more about building up the dictatorship, so nothing stands in his way.
You or I may not agree with the SC on every ruling. But the individuals on there, for the most part, are scholars of the constitution and hold a deep respect for it. It’s why even people like Kavanaugh who was appointed by Trump will sometimes rule against his interests.
This is a fucking laughable joke. You’re kidding, right?
We may disagree on some interpretations but these people genuinely believe in the rule of law. This will inevitably clash with the administration.
lol, ok. Which law? Bible law? Trump law?
Your response provides very little substance. If I were you I’d ask myself why am I spending my valuable time discussing things online if I’m not really engaging.
You really only hurt yourself in the long run with this type of attitude. I hope you’re a teenager because then it’s understandable. Either way unless you engage more than a “lol ok” I’ll save my toilet time for something else.
That’s not entirely correct. “Official acts” are to be determined by the judge presiding over the case. Since no charges against the President have been filed or heard, “official acts” have yet to be legally defined.
So, official acts are going to be determined by judges appointed by Trump? How do you think that will work out?
BTW, charges were laid against Trump, and he was convicted. And then, served no jail time, and the sentence was commuted.
You’re talking about two different things. The charges that were heard, resulting in Trump’s conviction, were NYS charges. The federal charges have yet to be heard.
Trump cannot pardon state charges, so a state judge can determine an official act if there are new state charges.
Ah got it so do nothing because it’s all pointless right? I’m sure that’ll yield them exactly the results they want.
reading their scathing dissents is one of the things that helps me stay sane; god bless the work they do–I don’t know how I’d put up with going to work having to deal with blatant gaslighting for the rest of my life
They’re not just scathing, they’re instructional. Justice Sotomayor outlined how to challenge the recent SCOTUS ruling on nationwide injunctions. A new injunction based on her guidance was filed three hours after the ruling.
His own lawyer requested to keep him in jail because they fear the moment he is released he will be immediately deported again.
Our system is so broken that sitting in jail is preferable to being on release because of DHS.
And our fellow Democrats will insist that it’s soleless because of the Republicans and to vote blue no matter who
That’s true. Unfortunately the Democrats have been practically useless but as I’m beginning to see they have always been kind of practically useless
it’s not just democrats; it’s americans in general. they have a difficult time accepting that they’ve been propagandized so thoroughly, they even deleted the comment you’re responding to for trolling even though it’s 100% the truth.
Yeah thats also a problem. Living in the Imperial core definitely has some disadvantages.
– but not for enough people to cause change.
I disagree. Plenty of people want change but just don’t know where to go.
I’m creating a local communist group to help with that. 😄
Cheers comrade
Not voting will surely help.
Voting didn’t. We ended up with a guy who invited an insurrection.
So “not voting” must surely be the answer.
Hey, jackass. I voted for Harris
The pound is that it wouldn’t have mattered because by that time the Dems had fucked up so bad they had to switch their candidate mid race
That’s what fucking happened.
Not voting happens in every election with the same fucking results. We just happened to have Hitler 2.0 to take advantage of it.
Think before you type
I’d rather vote 3rd party than for a Corprocrat. They’ve done nothing but shine the shoes of fascists, which is even less than I expected of them. They normalize pure evil and pretend that they haven’t already lost America, because without the illusion of liberalism, they have no power.
Unless the Democrat has the guts to take a stronger stance against fascism than democratic socialism, they’re less than worthless. They’re not even liberals at this point, but spineless neo-feudalists with no soul or heart.
I’d rather vote 3rd party than for a Corprocrat.
Many I remember my late teens when I thought this was sooo edgy…
I say this shit knowing full well the cost of third parties. I know they vote split and I know our system punishes it. Yet I’ve learned a valuable lesson from the death of our liberal democratic system: the Democrats will never change. They lost the election by ignoring the youth, assuming they would always have that support even if they repeatedly told us that our opinions don’t matter. They pretended the economy was fine and that people shouldn’t complain because their measure for a healthy economy was far beyond what people could actually tolerate. They chose capitalism over democracy; simple as that.
Call me an edgy kid, but I’ve been a voter from the day I was eligible; someone who never missed an opportunity to fulfill my civic duty. And yet I’m the now the one saying that the Democrats are not people we can work with. I’m the one saying that they’re closer to the Vichy government than the resistance. We need to break from them because working with them will bear no fruit. They only do good things to serve their own interests, not as payment for left wing support.
People haven’t learned anything, huh?
If you think the Democrats will change without serious challenges to their hegemony, then you really haven’t learned. They’ve taken the wrong lessons from the last election, and doubling down on following fascism rightwards. They kick out people trying to reform the party while dismantling environmental protections at the state level where they still have power. They’re increasingly throwing minorities under the bus and serve capitalism harder than ever because they’ve taken this loss as an excuse to be worse, not a call to improve.
I’ve been a long proponent of damage mitigation, which is why I don’t advocate not voting. Unfortunately, the Democrats’ response to this has actively made the situation worse by making people believe that voting for them can change things. Even with a large majority in both houses, Trump is already equipped to override their will using everything from the yesmen courts to his personal Gestapo.
I’ll repeat the sad truth of our situation till the day I get shipped off to a death camp: Trump’s death is the only thing that will stop him. We’re in the endgame, and there is no snapping the people he’ll kill back to life.
Trump is a symptom. If he is gone, ghouls like Thiel will gladly place another puppet into the role.
The GOP and its backers, all of them need to hang together. Otherwise, they will take the intermittent loss of their fellows as an opportunity to climb the ladder on the backs of their dead, rather than as a warning.
You misunderstand Trump. He might be a symptom, but he is not a sustainable strategy. He rode the wave and no one else will be able to; that is how strongman dictatorships tend to pan out. Everyone from billionaires to normal people will be sick of fascism after this. The billionaires will want a yes man who doesn’t extort them or make business volatile, while everyday people will want peace and safety.
In that environment, everyone will want the return of liberal democracy, only US institutions will be permanently weakened. We can’t know how the situation will unfold, but oligarchs will seek to solidify their gains while only restoring what benefits them. I personally think a feudal era will occur, with a weak central government that eventually allows for fiefdoms, which could eventually lead to actual civil wars.
If you think the Democrats will change without serious challenges to their hegemony, then you really haven’t learned.
Correct. Not sure what that has to do with voting for 3rd parties with no chance of winning though. That’s not even close to a serious challenge, and all it does is strengthen the hegemony of the actual fascist party.
Look. The Dem and Republican ghouls don’t want a third party. Who knew? Selfish fucks
I’m doing my didn’t!
Its nice when people make it obvious you should just block them.
They’re so terrible at it that they’ll have to learn in the next 18 months. It’s gonna get worse.
