The 23-year-old was pulled out of the van, placed in handcuffs, and detained for about 25 minutes while the agent searched him. When the agents finally found his ID confirming his citizenship, the agents let him go — without offering any explanation or apology.
A 23-year-old electrician from Brentwood is speaking out after a disturbing encounter with federal immigration agents left him handcuffed and shaken, despite being a U.S. citizen.
Elzon Lemus says he was on the job, driving in a work van with his co-worker in Westbury when they were pulled over by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents. The incident was recorded on Lemus’ phone.
“What’s up, guys? Can I see your ID, please?” an agent asks in the video.
When Lemus questions why they’re being stopped, the agent replies vaguely, “Cause you look like someone I’m looking for. Can I see your ID?”
Lemus continues, “Who are you looking for exactly? Because it’s definitely not me.”
The agent then warns him, “This is going to go one of two ways here. I need to see your ID — if you’re not the guy I’m looking for, you’re not the guy I’m looking for. But we need your ID.”
When Lemus continues to question why he’s being stopped the agent escalates and says “If we don’t get your ID we are going to need to figure out another way to ID you and that may not work out well for you.”
trump is looking for anyone to deport, hes trying to surpass obama dn bidens numbers.
Isn’t illegally detaining folks a violation of their civil rights/freedoms? Pretty sure that one that isn’t protected by qualified immunity… fucking scum
Welcome to the Diapered States of America, papers please.
Family lives near Brentwood want I can absolutely see ICE thugs doing this to them.
“You look like someone I’m looking for” seems to be a recurring quote from these guys.
removes wig
removes prosthetic teeth
removes rubber nose
removes lifts
removes muscle suit
“Do I still look like them?”holds up color chart “Yeah, you’re still a dead ringer.”
“You fit the profile”
Next is Stop and Frisk nationwide followed by “Papers Please”
Based on the latest reports, no way they would be polite enough to say “please”
I’ve yet to see these guys looking for a middle aged white male or female.
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One? … all the headlines highlight mass arrests of any kind of brown non-white person everywhere … dozens, even hundreds of them. I’m sure there are white people being added to that list somewhere but they are few and far between, while the majority of the masses being attacked are brown minority groups and individuals.
Can’t sat it’s something I’d root for but is black/brown face still bad if you use it to waste cops and ice’s time?
Imagine having this in your car on a card and when ICE asks for your ID you pull this out.
Man, tfw I’m an immigrant, but I’m pale as the fucking moon so I can’t do this
They really hit the nail on the head with that cutaway
the last one is almost VANTA BLACK.
Quotas for DEI initiatives bad: no merit for chosen employees
Quotas for ICE good: no merit for those arrested in order to meet quota…
I know I know, you don’t logic a Magoo. There is none to be had…
The scary part is that there absolutely is logic to it. They’re still just slightly short of being willing to say that part out loud.
DO NOT PULL OVER FOR NAZIS
DeSantis has a tip for those whose cars are surrounded in a threatening manner.
That’s a great way to give then grounds to actually arrest you. Or maybe just crash your car and kill you.
For the love of God, SUE!!!
Good luck. The government has pretty consistently ruled that the government is immune from liability in situations like this.
So spend money to do what exactly?
SUE
“Papers, please” - just like Soviet Russia and the other Soviet-bloc countries.
Glory to Arstotzka!
No reasonable, articulable suspicion of crime? No ID.
You are required to show your driver’s license if you’re asked for it by law enforcement while driving in New York state.
The US really does seem less “free” than most western countries honestly.
I can’t even remember ever being asked for my ID by police inside the EU
Say it a third time , maybe you’ll get a different answer
Law enforcement is not permitted to randomly pull over vehicles. They provided no justification. This is clearly illegal.
Random would actually be more ethical! They obviously saw a person that was not lilly-white, and pulled him over. That’s literally policy guided by racism!
Cops can always find a reason to pull you over. Also, they have no obligation to tell you why they did so. 1 mph over the speed limit? Valid traffic stop. You slowly drifted from the right side of the lane to the left side? Valid traffic stop in the eyes of the law.
Is it bullshit? Yes. Illegal? No.
Is the driver in the OP still required to provide his license when pulled over?
Yes.
“You look like someone we’re looking for” will get them pretty far in the courts. They don’t have to tell you who that person is, but by the time you sue and you’re going through the court process, they’ll find someone on their list who looks like you so that they can say “oh yeah it was this guy we were looking for, we promise” and the case gets dismissed.
“Papers, please!”
No wait, they are not that polite…
“Papers!”
Wait, they didn’t even lead with asking about his papers?
Damn…
“Submit to the skintone inspection!”
Can they legally ask if you aren’t suspected of a crime? Surely, driving to work is not a crime.
They said he looked like a suspect. Cough cough.
That’s not a reasonable suspicion of a crime.
Maybe being the guy that maybe did a crime isn’t good enough.
More to the point, being undocumented isn’t generally a crime- it’s a civil offense. The majority of people are either asylum seekers or people who’ve overstayed visas, rather than entering illegally.
Entering illegally is a misdemeanor, but over staying is not.
Bold of you to assume the law applies to them.
Bold of you to assume the Federal government still follows the law.
Yes, if you are driving you’re required by law in New York state to provide your driver’s license if asked.
If you’re walking to work you don’t have to carry ID, and you only have to identify yourself if they have a reasonable suspicion that you’re committing a crime.
Edit: Holy shit y’all are insane. I knew Lemmy was an echo chamber but mass downvoting simple, factual information like this really makes me think less of you.
Yeah, they don’t really care about facts, logic, or reason. They also don’t see how that makes them like the people they hate.
Yes, if you are driving you’re required by law in New York state to provide your driver’s license if asked.
During a legal traffic stop, yes. They need a reason to pull you over, and that reason can’t be “I want to see your ID.”
All of what you said, but also, can ICE conduct traffic stops? Like only state and local police can enforce traffic laws in their own states and jurisdictions right? Maybe if it’s an interstate highway… but I would think they need a reason to pull you over and actually be able to show that they planned to enforce some traffic infraction. I doubt ICE writes speeding tickets, so I think they are breaking some law here.
They can’t enforce traffic laws, no. So they need some reasonable suspicion that falls under their jurisdiction, which is why I mentioned that they need evidence that an illegal immigrant is in the vehicle. Actual reasonable suspicion, not just a hunch. Just like a traffic cop can’t legally pull you over unless they actually witness you breaking a traffic law.
Short answer, yes they can.
Long answer, it’s really going to depend on the state and the laws there.
That said, common etiquette would be not to unless, as someone else pointed out, they had a very specific reason to suspect an illegal immigrant is in the vehicle. Usually, LEOs stick to their specific jurisdiction’s unless they are asked to assist in another.
Typical federal agencies would notify and work with law enforcement, but sanctuary states have directed state and local law enforcement not to.
They are breaking the law and violating a US citizens constitutional rights, that’s where America is right now.
ICE can conduct traffic stops within 100 miles of the boarder. Entire USA coastline is considered a boarder.
And within a hundred miles of an international airport. So basically everywhere. The 4th amendment died during W. Bush’s administration. I’ve been screaming about it since then and everyone called me a conspiracy theorist.
Lawsuit time and this one is legit.
Yes, the democracy is crumbling but at least some people will get paid.
Profiting from dictatorship must be the most American thing ever.
What? 🤣
And he might get justice in ten years.
And?
This is PAYDAY. Open and shut slam dunk.
I wish my rights were this clearly violated.
It’s payday… In ten years.
Assuming the laws don’t change.
And assuming ICE doesn’t kill him to stop the lawsuit.
Your cynicism is makes impossible to have a rational discussion.
Everything’s going to be back bite with some little sarcastic pissy remark and I just am exhausted by this kind of dialogue.
It’s payday if a judge in 10 years gives a shit about constitutional violations, or if judges are still non-partisan by then. The dude also looks Latino, so his odds are even worse. I am an outsider looking in, but I wouldn’t trust that shit hole country to uphold any sense of the law after what I’ve seen over the last few weeks. Fuckin’ embarrassing mess down there.
Agreed, this is a clear cut Constitutional violation. Should be worth millions.
Yes but he looks foreign which I think is enough these days
/S maybe.
What does “look foreign” even mean in a place like the US? I think you mean he didn’t look white enough.
ICE has been directly and illegally ordered to violate the fourth amendment and are doing it every day.
