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COULD YOU PLEASE STOP SHOUTING I HEAR YOU VERY WELL WITHOUT THAT, THANK YOU.
“Military sites”
They’re residential buildings.
They’ll be hitting hospitals next with the same pretext.
We’ve already gone over this
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/86caaa7e-5328-4dc1-adda-a75f42ed8514.jpeg
Man Iran is such a destabilizing force in the region.
I think you dropped this /s
Uncritical support of Iran please kick in the face of Israel and USA
Followed predictably by Iran directly attacking Tel Aviv.
no f ing shit
Iran has the right to defend itself.
The exact copy paste comment is weird
yeah. It was when genocide apologists were saying it about netanyahu’s genocidal apartheid regime, too. So get used to it.
Iran has the right to defend itself.
Iran has the right to defend itself.
Iran has the right to defend itself.
Wake up babe, hot new axis of terror just dropped.
posting on lemmy from 1948… wow
It’s an old one. The US has been aligned wirh Israel for decades.
When people point out the west is far from being the “good guys” shit like this is what they have in mind. USA and Europe supported israel and armed it to teeth making possible for the fascist israel government to conduct such attacks. If you don’t accept that our governments are as much rigged and evil as russia or china these useless war will never cease.
Why would you think people in the west would be upset about this?
If anything, the west has armed the shit out of Israel so they can do exactly this. Iran is a major Russian ally/puppet and an Islamic theocracy having nukes would be a very bad thing indeed. That’s not to say Israel hasn’t lied about why they’ve done this, because the footage of burning buildings in the middle of cities speak for themselves. They don’t look like no “nuclear research facilities” I’ve ever seen, so we’re clearly back to just bombing entire buildings to kill one person (if they were even there).
Iran knew full well what the response would be when they armed Hamas for the October attacks. It would mean Gaza being wiped off the map. Sure, those attacks hurt Israel, but they hurt Palestinians a whole lot more. Iran was just hoping that the resulting genocide stopped the west funding them.
If people in the west want this to stop (and lets be honest, any voting choices are pointless because all our major parties support war in the middle east), then we need to stop using oil and gas, so this whole area can go back to being a chunk of irrelevant desert so that all major players can take their fucking fingers out of it.
What do you want Iran to do when they get imposed heavy sanctions from everywhere they have no option but to rely on Russian again. Iran could have been a normal country with good relation will all country but the west interfered and organized a coup to back up a dictator.
Iran autocracy is an internal affair no foreign countries government has to interfere. We can just as people protest the theocracy but not supporting killing Iranians under the pretext of democracy like we did in Iran.
If you really cared about democracy you would have also pretested american support for Saudi arabia
so we’re clearly back to just bombing entire buildings to kill one person (if they were even there).
To me it sound like after admitting a war crime you are still pretending to be one of the good guys.
Iran knew full well what the response would be when they armed Hamas for the October attacks. It would mean Gaza being wiped off the map.
And so does israel government. They are aware that attacking iran may result in a war where thousand civilians may die but they don’t give a shit about it.
then we need to stop using oil and gas, so this whole area can go back to being a chunk of irrelevant desert so that all major players can take their fucking fingers out of it.
The area house some of the oldest cultures in the world, read its history. We should indeed stop using oil and gas and that’s something “extremists” have preach for decades warning us against global warming and conflicts.
To me it sound like after admitting a war crime you are still pretending to be one of the good guys.
Don’t mistake me pointing out what they’re doing for support of that “tactic”. Iran does not have infinite resources to build new facilities. You blow those labs up, it’s gone. Blow it up in the day, so were those nuclear scientists. Israeli intel is pretty damn good, even if their military are inhumane savages. They know where the facilities are, and they can knock them out whenever they want.
There is exactly one regional threat to Israel’s existence, and it’s a nuclear armed Iran.
And they do indeed have some of the oldest cultures in the world, but it all got a hell of a lot worse when we found oil under it.
Israeli intel is pretty damn good
It’s not good at all. Israel forces have been murdering so many civilians that collateral damage has become part of their plans. What they are doing won’t result in any peace or safety, they are setting the ground for even more conflicts which is exactly what those in power want. They are pretty damn good at serving their fascist ruler.
You two are talking past each other. None of what you wrote has any connection to what the other person wrote. In fact, you guys probably don’t disagree about anything. OP is just giving an explanatory description, not a normative essay.
It’s not good at all. Israel forces have been murdering so many civilians that collateral damage has become part of their plans.
So… you must know that the atrocities committed have nothing to do with the quality of their intel.
In other words, the comment makes 0 sense as a reply. I mean it’s a fine comment on its own, it’s just not at all a reply to what you quoted. I really only bring it up for your benefit, because being unrelated to the quote like that makes the comment seem dishonest, which makes the rest of your message less credible.
I don’t work for any fascist government so i’m not much familiar with how they operates, does intel/intelligence only collects data or do they also plan operations? I was referring to their strategies and tactics.
Anyway to stay on the topic even their intel that just collect data is not that “good”. Israel government run mass surveillance programs that affect just everyone.
I’d argue that a nuclear Iran is not the only threat to Israel. Pretty much every other nation in the region hates their guts and wants them wiped off the map, and Israel has only stopped this from happening due to western support for their military. Iran nuking them is definitely a threat. But the other big threat Israel must contend with is losing Western support and munitions. Without that, a coalition of Arab states would overrun Israel in a conventional war.
My bet: Israel knows it is losing the war of public opinion in the West. So it is trying to start a war with Iran to get the West to support it again. Your ally committing genocide against an enemy that has almost no resources and no means of escape is a difficult stance to maintain. But supporting your ally in a war against your sworn enemy has a lot more public appeal - or so Israel hopes.
I have to say this I don’t buy this constant nuclear threat. Iran supposedly started their nuclear program 30 years ago. Either they have a bomb or they will never get it. It doesn’t take that long to replicate what other countries did in a few years.
Nuking israel would mean harming palestinians too. This will never happen. Iran is not crazy to nuje any other countries just lime all the current nuclear powers
You seem to be entirely ignoring comtinual efforts to prevent them from becoming so empowered including murdering their scientists, bribing their leaders, drawing up agreements and them just not pushing it because the natural and expected results is war.
It is reasonable to expect that any given year the US would rather kill them all rather than let them have nukes.
What makes you think any arab nation cares about the Palestinians’ well-being?
The same point stands. What makes you think the Persians care about Palestinians?
i can’t debate an idiot who think iran is an arab country
Oh they hate them, but they can’t do anything about them. Egypt had a go (with a load of Soviet Union support, back when that meant something), and after 6 days they’d lost a huge amount of their own country. Syria still haven’t got all their land back even now.
This attack appears to be timed to coincide with Trump’s 60 day deadline for whatever nonsense he thought they were going to agree to, so there’s a good chance the US told them to do it and when.
Right. My point is that the Arab states lost to Israel because Israel was backed by the West. Without western support, a tiny Jewish state with almost no natural resources and a small population would be hard-pressed to stand its ground against a coalition of Arab states with a much larger population, oil money, and possible Russian backing. All the Arab states would need to do is keep taking pot shots at Israel while their superior military technology degrades and their stockpiles dwindle. A modern fighter jet relies on thousands of hyper-specific, high precision parts which can only be sources from western manufacturers. One part breaks and your whole plane is grounded. Even if the Arab states are not in great shape themselves, they win a war of attrition handily - especially once the average Israeli sees the inevitable and flees, depriving Israel of its soldiers and intellectual economy.
Otoh, your timeline argument is reasonable, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t a coincidence in one way or another.
There are structural and cultural issues behind the military failures of Israel’s Arab neighbors that have nothing to do with Western support.
They only really need the support of one western state, and it’s a big one. They are not going to abandon the precious “Holy Land” any time soon. I don’t know what the average American thinks is going on out there, but it ain’t that.
It wasn’t on the table during the election, and I doubt it will be in the future either. It’s practically a US outpost, and frankly, this should be considered a US attack on Iran. Nothing will be done about it either way.
I’d be OK with attacking “nuclear, military sites”, but from the videos it looks like a load of apartments buildings bombed.
You’re ok with wars of aggression?
Well it’s been going on for about 40 years so far… Military targets are valid targets (and certainly better than carpet bombing civilians, which Israel also do a lot of), and to be clear, Iran are not interested in nuclear for it’s clean energy potential.
Nobody wants nuclear proliferation but a religious fundamentalist state (and the US and Pakistan and even North Korea, for all their insanity, at least stop short of that) having them would be Bad Times.
What next you are going to advocate to hit china military target and bring death and destruction to your own country?
God westerners are hypocrites. I’m guessing you still whine about Russia breaking international law even though you’re just straight up admitting you don’t care about international law at all.
Please don’t put that guys opinion on all westeners. Most Danes agree that Israel are way out of line for instance, and our prime minister has officially denounced their behavior in Gaza.
The world is nuanced, and generalizing about large populations of people is never right. When you do that you are putting blame on a lot of innocent people, and demonizing people only makes it harder to work towards a better world.
Oh they “call for” do they? Are they going to send a strongly worded letter next?
Meanwhile they continue to materially support Israel, and even their token objection is just to ask Israel to let more aid into the blasted killing fields, not to actually stop the genocide.
The sexist and homophobic ISLAMIC Republic of Iran sends arms to Russia to aid in their invasion and attempted conquest of Ukraine, and their continued occupation of parts of Ukraine.
I oppose the genocide of Gazans, but Iran’s whining about Israel attacking their regime rings a bit hollow for me.
And Ukraine supports Israel. So does Ukraine’s whining about Russia attacking their regime also ring hollow for you? Or are you just a racist hypocrite?
So, you’re going with the rascist hypocrite option
You imposed heavy sanctions on iran because they didn’t want to be a western puppet then you wonder why they have to go support russia. What next you will ask to bomb china next and start a world war 3?
The genocidals imperial western power support a terrorist jewish state ruked by extremist occupting palestine for 57 years
Do you support what Russia is doing in Ukraine?
Do you support the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran’s sexism and homophobia?
So why grieve when some mullarch or Reactionary Guard leader bites the dust?
Europe was for the most part an antisemitic genocidal shit-hole for Jews before they were arguably dumped in Palestine where they could at least be safe; and the USSR was the first country to recognize Israel.
Do you support what Russia is doing in Ukraine?
No I don’t unlike you supporting the terrorist state occupation Palestinians for 57 years
Do you support the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran’s sexism and homophobia?
No , i support Iranians themselves deal with the regime . I don’t support killing Iranians under the pretext of helping democracy
So why grieve when some mullarch or Reactionary Guard leader bites the dust?
Because the terrorist state of Israel is a genocidal state currently committing a genocide and like to kill the most number of civilians
Europe was for the most part an antisemitic genocidal shit-hole for Jews before they were arguably dumped in Palestine where they could at least be safe; and the USSR was the first country to recognize Israel.
You are so stupid to think that enforcing a state on local people would make jew safe anywhere that have nothing to do with the holocaust . After Nazism was defeated jews was going to live safe where they was.
Uh, apartments are small and house parents with their children… aka a nuclear family. So, checkmate, library.
/s (jesus christ it’s depressing that’s necessary)
Fuck Israel and their bs
Fuck sexist and homophobic theocracy.
Fuck pinkwashing apartheid.
I agree, fuck Israel!
Which one? They’re all like that.
Indeed, though Mosaddegh lived over 70 years ago and I’ve read nothing bad about him on that issue, so I’ll give him a pass for now.
Why the united snake don’t bomb saudis then?
Probably because their foreign policy is hypocritical.
because you are the hypocrite
Prove it.
People just have to read your comment to know that you are
What comment?
I wonder why Iran has a theocracy instead of a democracy. They used to have a democracy, what happened to it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d’%C3%A9tat
Mosaddegh was overthrown.
About 25 years after that, the Shah was overthrown by a sexist and homophobic theocracy.
If Iran’s mode of government were really the casus belli of Israel’s attacks, they would be providing support for revolutionary movements within Iran, not bombing their capital city including civilian apartment buildings and claiming that they’re only targeting nuclear sites. If having a government that denies equal rights to certain groups is justification enough for attacks on civilian populations in the capital, think about what that means for Tel Aviv.
For the record, I don’t really support these strikes, but neither am I terribly passionate in opposing them for reasons I’ve stated.
If Iran’s mode of government were really the casus belli of Israel’s attacks, they would be providing support for revolutionary movements within Iran,
I wouldn’t be too surprised if the US and Israel were doing a little of such, though the contributions would hardly be significant.
wp:International Railroad for Queer Refugees doesn’t seem to be getting much support from Israel.
not bombing their capital city including civilian apartment buildings and claiming that they’re only targeting nuclear sites.
Such places might have stuff and people of interest, but yeah, they’ve been saying that a lot about their targets in Gaza.
If having a government that denies equal rights to certain groups is justification enough for attacks on civilian populations in the capital, think about what that means for Tel Aviv.
and if Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et al narrowed their attacks to just soldiers, cops, many of the politicians, and settlers, I wouldn’t have much of a problem with it.
For the record, I don’t really support these strikes, but neither am I terribly passionate in opposing them for reasons I’ve stated.
You should be more passionate in opposing them because this shit is the closest we’ve ever been to WW3 and Israel only seems interested in further escalation.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if the US and Israel were doing a little of such, though the contributions would hardly be significant.
wp:International Railroad for Queer Refugees doesn’t seem to be getting much support from Israel.
Gee, I wonder why that is. It couldn’t be that Israel doesn’t give a shit about equal rights, being a fascist ethnostate themselves, surely. This isn’t a “both sides” situation, Israel is clearly the aggressor, and no good can possibly come from this.
Such places might have stuff and people of interest, but yeah, they’ve been saying that a lot about their targets in Gaza.
It’s interesting that your instinct is to assume some level of good faith on Israel’s part. Perhaps you should examine that?
and if Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et al narrowed their attacks to just soldiers, cops, many of the politicians, and settlers, I wouldn’t have much of a problem with it.
The standard of violence is set by the oppressor. It’s a clear double standard that you speak charitably about Israel’s attacks on civilians immediately before dismissing others for theirs. Not to mention the massive difference in scale.
You should be more passionate in opposing them because this shit is the closest we’ve ever been to WW3 and Israel only seems interested in further escalation.
We’ve been far closer to WWIII in the past.
Iran is not (enough of) a Russian ally.
Gee, I wonder why that is. It couldn’t be that Israel doesn’t give a shit about equal rights, being a fascist ethnostate themselves, surely. This isn’t a “both sides” situation, Israel is clearly the aggressor, and no good can possibly come from this.
Iran has been helping Israel’s enemies—Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Assad gang—and chanting “Death to Israel” (and “Death to America”) for decades. When it comes to needlessly killing Arabs, I’m not sure who’s worse: US or Iran.
It’s interesting that your instinct is to assume some level of good faith on Israel’s part.
I don’t really: at least not these past several years.
Perhaps you should examine that?
Perhaps I should.
The standard of violence is set by the oppressor. It’s a clear double standard that you speak charitably about Israel’s attacks on civilians immediately before dismissing others for theirs.
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
Not to mention the massive difference in scale.
You might have an argument there: the legitimate-targets-to-innocent-civilian ratio of Hamas on 7 October 2023 versus Israel’s response.
As shitty as this is, I think Iran is a paper tiger. Israel has been beating the shit out of them for years now. I don’t think they’re going to be able to successfully counterattack in any meaningful way.
Israel is the snot-nosed brat who runs and screams to the US while causing problems for everyone. If the US stopped propping up that sequel to nazi germany, we’d see who’s the real paper tiger.
Right, so more genocide?
Iran is one of the biggest instigators of genocide in the Middle East. Their proxy terrorist groups have been systematically wiping out religious minorities for decades now.
No, western proxies did that. Not resistance groups fighting an occupying force
I think some resistance can be genocidal.
Resistance can’t be genocidal because the only goal is stopping the oppressor from oppressing the oppressed . The only genocidal state in the middle east is israel
Some Kurds might differ from you.
Ditto some women who think that they are entitled to the same rights as menfolk have, as well as the LGBTQI2Ss.
Just to be clear. You aren’t saying Genocide justifies Genocide right?
No, that’s not what I’m saying. How did you even get that from what I said?
You replied to Bristlecone asking:
Right, so more genocide?
With some information about how Iran does genocide, does that not imply it?
Or do you just randomly post history in threads for no reason?
Do you have a brand new account because your last one got banned for trolling?
No sadly my old account was on lemme.ee, which was shutdown due to lack of admins stepping up. I was a member in good standing as far as I know.
Wait a second. You think this is trolling? How long have you been on the internet for?
Unless you don’t think I’m trolling, but you are embarrassed because I correctly called you out. And now you’re trying to distract everyone from your bad position by pointing a finger at me.
Who knows?
How does the attacked country being a “paper tiger” influence your judgement of whether it’s shitty or not to attack it? Is it less shitty to attack a country because it’s perceived as being weaker? Is it only shitty when the attacked country is able to defend itself? Why? That would make the Israeli genocide on Palestinians “less shitty” too, since you know, “Israel has been beating the shit out of them for years now.”
It’s an interesting moral compass you’ve got there.
How does the attacked country being a “paper tiger” influence your judgement of whether it’s shitty or not to attack it?
It’s the “I’m the center of the world and this does not look like it’s going to affect ME so everything is alright” point of view
Let see what happen when china interests get significally harmed and a world war 3 would happen
I read his post as “as shitty as this is, it’s not likely to break out into a full scale war we’ll get pulled into”. It’s not about it being morally okay, or at least I didn’t take it that way.
Ahh, ok, got it. So it’s out of an extraordinary callous attitude where bombing of people is shitty when and only when they impact my life.
I think you’re putting words in their mouth with that view. That’s not what was said at all.
Exactly. Israel (and the US) will bully Iran but it’s not going to turn into WW3, as some commenters are suggesting. Iran just isn’t very threatening militarily anymore.
Until russian and china interests get too much affected
They literally proved they had munitions that could defeat Israel’s air defenses just a few months ago.
They are attacking Israel all the time, who do you think is funding Hamas?
Let’s talk about who do you think is RECRUITING for Hamas first.
who do you think is funding Hamas?
Israel and Iran.
You guys remember when you woke up and our biggest problem was Disney disappointing people with its Star Wars trilogy?
Kinda miss those times now.
Not to ruin your moment, but both the Rwandan genocide and the Bosnian genocide happened several years before the star wars prequels
I’m not trying to scare you, but the 90s was over two decades ago… I know I’m still in denial too
Yes or finding out the next installment of your favorite game was delayed again
Still waiting for the next Elder Scrolls game
I remember the time before everyone and their mother lived chronically online and were constantly bombarded with (fake) news. Terrible stuff - wars, famine, whatnot - has always happened, now we just know about it instantly.
The Last Jedi and and Rise of Skywalker came out during Trump’s first term, UK had triggered article 50, natural disasters, North Korea was ramping up nuclear testing, a new age of fake news was taking shape, trade war, rise of Hindu nationalism… you know what you’re right, I do miss those times compared to now… But you know maybe this is the second act when things are most dire before… Well depends on the story arc 😅
Inshallah, Trump abandons Israel to deal with Iran by themselves because he doesn’t want to be blamed for WWIII.
There won’t be a WWIII because Iran can’t do anything to Israel
Trump abandon Israel because he’s a coward who only barks behind the fence.
You think he has that forethought? Or thought at all?
that’s almost certainly how he plays it for at least a day. but who knows when that message will flip and then flop back. and who knows when any messages will line up with any actions.
and besides all that, regardless of what americans say or do, what will the iranians do to the Americans?
