Once China takes the semiconductor crown, the US isn’t getting it back.
Glad I get to be alive to witness communism beat capitalism. While the US ruling class wastes its money on dumb shit like “space tourism,” the Chinese ruling class has been investing vehemently into its own populace.
I’m intrigued……
- Why and how do you think China will take the semiconductor crown?
- in what way will communism “beat” capitalism?
- You think China has been investing in its own people? The wealth gap in China between the 1% and the rest is enormous and growing - that’s how all communism ends up lol. Chinas ruling class treat the rest of the population like garbage.
that’s how all communism ends up lol.
You do know, that China is a capitalistic country labeling themselves as communist?
Apart from that you’re right.
The PRC is also quickly catching up in semiconductors, and they actually build infrastructure, unlike the US. Sure, they have a massive wealth disparity and very obviously aren’t communist, but they’re doing a few things right.
Guess it depends which part of the graph you are on.
So China has a smaller percentage of its population below 10k USD net worth despite having a 45% lower cost of living? That’s a pretty big difference in the number of people who can live comfortably. I’m willing to sacrifice people’s ability to be ludicrously rich for that.
And of course the miraculous Chinese GPUs won’t have any tracking inside, none at all!
just like their smartphones and networking devices, right?
Capitalism is a system of whores. And there’s nothing wrong with whores, but a whore is a whore. Good luck. It’s going to be like trying to hold a bar of soap that’s slipping out of your hands. You can keep grabbing at it, but it’s just going to keep slipping. I just recall when America leaked nuclear secrets because soldiers were using a private private flashcard program and they forgot to check mark the box that said private. And so they ended up leaking all these secrets all over the internet. And let’s not forget. The open source information that was used from some snot-nosed person on an osint account on twitter for targeting a supposed underground base, that cost the lives of innocent civilians via the Palantir and Peter Thiel’s stupid AI. They did not get an underground base. They just wasted millions of dollars on something that wasn’t there.
It’s like their plans are dystopic and terrifying, but they’re not going to be able to implement them in a way that’s worth a damn. And also, their actual product that they produce is so stupid that it’s even more terrifying than the original idea. It’s just straight up fucking madness. It’s like, look mom, no hands. Then you fall off the goddamn bike and you’re sitting there crying.
This still remains. There is so much corruption and greed in this country that we can’t even function as an empire. We can’t even get a chip’s factory figured out. We don’t make shit. Everybody in this country is so goddamn lazy and stupid. I can’t even find a noble cause because I feel like I’m just enabling stupid people. I’m sure we just operate off of bare necessities. Like the need to just stay alive one more day. But it gets to the point where it’s like, what’s the fucking point? This country is nonsensical. It’s absurd. It’s laughable. It’s weak. It’s limp dicked. And this happened way before Joe Biden or Trump. This has been a continuation ever since I’ve been alive for 40 fucking dumb ass years.
What the fuck is your metaphor with whores all about??
Yeah right, a couple of my good friends used to be sex workers so
but a whore is a whore
just seems ignorant and misogynist to me.
Its just a phrase about managing expectations. You can replace whore with literally any profession and its the same message.
A sex worker can be a honest whore. Nothing wrong with being a honest whore.
Now being a sales weasel and making backroom deals, that’s a lying whore.
Your comment feels like “a honest black person can be a good nigga, no wrong with that, but if hes not nice he’s a ***** nigga” IDK you just sound bad as hell.
It’s probably the word ‘whore’. Similar to ‘cunt’, it hits a little different from ‘prostitute’ or ‘pussy’.
Culturally, ‘whore’ is an acceptable word for me to use. Any permutation of the N word is not.
I’ve spent a fair amount of time among drag queens(not necessarily sex workers but there is overlap), strippers, prostitutes and crack whores. Most of them are decent folks in hard times. It is rare that people willingly choose sex work, instead, it’s usually desperation and addiction. A desperate population does desperate things like petty crime.
Everything you say feels A-ok (except you americans have a weird way forbidding words) but I think you missed my point. Whore is a way more loaded word than cunt, and in many ways, it’s not just an insult but also misogynist and so on, if used as an insult. So you can throw it around when it isn’t (my little cookie whore! or something I guess) but you can’t balance that off with the insult part, because it’s just too raw and bad IMO.
Sorry for the word salad!
Whore isn’t really gendered? There are more female whores than male whores in sex work but there are more male whores in politics than female. It is an insult about submission and service with a sexual connotation.
I think you’re seeing a difference in cultural weighting of common profanity. I’m from the deep south of the US.
I’m used to cunt being considered more offensive than whore. Whore is a milder obscenity than fuck, shit, or cunt. It is similar to slut, dick, or piss.
Between this, the tarrifs and the brain drain, why would any manufacturers consider operating in the US anymore?
Why would any manufacturer want access to the biggest market in the world? Hmmm let me think about that……
They’ll still want access to Americans coz there are profits to be had, and they can price gouge under a fascist kleptocracy many orders of magnitude harder than elsewhere.
What they don’t understand is that the fascist leadership will backstab many/most of them eventually, especially if they possess any moral fiber whatsoever. Luckily for them, capitalism has already purged corporate leadership of morality and ethics.
But if we don’t have as much money due to increased prices on life essentials and assistance cuts, how are we supposed to buy all these things? Bad logic on their part, if this is their approach.
There is no bottom. They’ll continue crushing the working class all the way to slavery and feudalism.
Stop expecting logic. MAGA and fascism is a severely psychotic mental illness that is empirically a dead end. A death cult.
schizo
Nah you pretty much established the death cult in 2020. The first hundred days of this in administration you went about doing the most harm to the world that you possibly could in order to save a couple pennies to give back to rich people. The Republican Party is a death cult. Everyone obsessed with some nuanced return to slavery, ending healthcare, and poisoning everything you can. For a smol profitorino
i wish you were wrong so fuckin bad :(
There’s no real push for that to happen. This is about crashing an economy, stealing wealth and creating a a massive almost slave labor class at the bottom.
So it’s about communism? No the other guys wanted that.
Communism is exactly the opposite of that. You’re thinking of late stage capitalism.
Stealing wealth and creating a slave class is what happens in communism. Every. Single. Time.
Sounds like US capitalism in 2025… tax the poor (slave class) to give more money to the rich.
Remember the slaves with 12+ holidays a years, 20+ holidays, free healthcare, free education, free child care and price controls for rent and food and no billionaires?
Where?
East Germany and pretty much all other eastern block countries till ~1990.
Yea I’ll share some down votes. I was laughing because the president was just threatening an American company yesterday, telling it how to operate. Telling it where to operate. Like isn’t this what they screeched legendary communist Obama would do? We just switched to a centralized planned economy over night. Welcome to USSR2
Somebody needs to learn to use Wikipedia.
Someone needs to learn not to blindly believe Wikipedia.
Which communist countries/states is this not the case btw?
Somebody needs to learn not to blindly believe a century of capitalist propaganda. At least Wikipedia cites sources.
You made the claim. You said every single time. Citation required.
Which other guys? The couple thousand people who voted third party because they didn’t view Harris as an acceptable compromise between fascism and humanity?
That’s some weird shit
Fascists are weird little guys. There is a podcast about that, it’s true.
Why would they make their own products illegal in Europe?
People will just make custom firmware and drivers.
Or desolder the gps module
It would be wonderful if this pushes develpment of noveau drivers. But i don’t get my hopes up…
INB4 the US outlaws Free Software drivers and mandates DRM and locked firmware in all new PCs.
How would that even work? But aside from that, I should probably upgrade my GPU before this goes into effect, even if the GPU I want will probably not be affected.
Just did the same. My pc was 7 years old. This may be my final ever upgrade.
I’d back up as many versions of the drivers as well (different oses, different releases). I feel like this will be implemented drm style with forced network connections baked in the drivers
Yeah, that’s the only way I can see this work. I use Linux with the Mesa drivers, that are part of the kernel, anyway, so there’s not really a need for me to make driver backups.
I use Linux
Believe it or not, straight to CECOT.
why dont they just ask huwei to give them some spying tech.
And how do they plan to do this? even if they add (GPS) tracking hardware the Chinese will just cut the connection to the Antenna and the GPU is gone. If they do it in software (like driver) it will just be patched out.
Sure, but now a new company selling Geo tracking shit for GPUs is making billions per year. Problem solved!
…okay, so invest in Chinese GPU companies? Invest in Chinese GPU companies.
Look like there’s lots of Chinese mini pcs using the 395+ Max APU
AMD is awesome ^^ they’ll rule the land of x86 for quire some while imho. But the problem of supporting hegemony is obvious.
AMDs upcoming GPUs are purportedly on par with NVIDIAs Maxwell, but as long as the prices are the same, we’re in the same boat.
Luckily the prices have been falling, largely because NPUs are replacing GPUs as the primary handler of AI workloads - since it’s more performative and saves on electricity costs.
But, in a “free market” competition mui importante.
I looked into those recently, actually expected the GPUs to be a lot farther behind than they are. The things that are really pushing them back are the drivers and the outdated process node, but there are already GPUs comparable to the lower end current generation cards from the 3 big manufacturers on paper (and even those have 16GB of VRAM, Nvidia 😤).
They’re a loooooong way off being able to match any nvida card from the last like 7 years, at least.
You have been dead wrong with every reply. Why are you still trying?
Where are these Chinese GPUs with anything that can match DLSS and any RTX card?
DLSS and RTX are not why these bans are happening bud
Who said they are? What an odd thing to say.
I said that theyre Chinese GPUs cant even match any RTX cards or DLSS. Where did I say they were banned because of that?
the entire topic is an article about geo tracking cards to avoid china getting around bans, and the larger context of that is AI; not gaming
DLSS is entirely off-topic and irrelevant to workloads other than games, and thus the discussion here
I have him tagged. I see him everywhere, and continues to be wrong all the time. No idea why she even spends her time doing this.
Aww cute. Rent free.
The image of China as an uncreative, uneducated backwards nation of drones good only for assembling phones, hasn’t been the reality for at least a decade.
A lot of people in the West don’t realize this because to this day there’s a vicious cycle of people only import cheap Chinese crap because China has a reputation for only making cheap crap because people only import the cheap crap. They don’t realize that China is also making top tier products, because nobody’s trying to import top tier Chinese products.
because nobody’s trying to import top tier Chinese products
oh, but they do, they import it rebranded with western logos
Yeah that is fun and all but I can at least guarantee you that that shit won’t fly in Europe, and likely neither in Canada. I can only imagine other countries will be penning their own laws outlawing this.
So tech giants then have the option to either go for separate chipsets for those countries or stip selling there.
Also, how do you want to implement this? Have the GPU request GPS data from the computer? That won’t be hard to forgr., but let’s say you ge that, then what?
You need to send that info somewhere or it’ll be useless. How? Over the Internet? Ahw, my firewall told you to go fuck yourself. Over its own GPS line? A little bit of aluminum foil can do miracles.
So what are you going to do then? Require an active internet connection for your GPU to work? Bwhahahahha. Have you seen gamers responses to games that require active internet connections to play? You won’t sell shit.
This is again a law designed by absolutely.emoty headed idiots tompleae some other empty headed idiots.
This will surely complete the final step of the master plan - the world craves those superior American made goods.
Thanks but no thanks!
I can’t imagine this would be effective at all. Assuming it uses GPS, big datacenters could simply spoof the GPS signal, and consumers could block the GPU from receiving the signal (a fully metal PC case is almost a Faraday cage already).
not just that. but GPS is one way communication. how will it call home to HQ?
That’s why they need to be able to monitor everything on the internet.
Not for anything fascist, we promise.
You had me worried there for a second.
Senator Tom Cotton
Ah. Yeah, that tracks.
Care to tell more?
Famously he declared that slavery was justified because it was necessary to create the US:
IMHO there are a few, very few, things that Usa should forbid their own people to say.
Glorifying slavery might be one of them. But sadly they are not ready for that, yet.
When Americans were supporting ISIS we look at them like they are crazy, but when they are supporting the confederacy, we give them high up political posts.
Also lied about being a ranger. Stolen valor anyone?
