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The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.
“I keep asking them, ‘who are you? What are you doing here? What’s happening,’” she said. “And they said, ‘we have a warrant for the house, a search warrant.’”
She said they ordered her and her daughters outside into the rain before they could even put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments—her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear.”
Marisa said the names on the search warrant were not hers or anyone in her family.
“We just moved here from Maryland,” she said. “We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens.”
She said the agents didn’t care.
“They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless,” she said. “I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything.”
Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and what few belongings they had, seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”
“I told them before they left, I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” she said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
Before they left, Marisa said one of the agents made a comment.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Now, Marisa said they have, quite literally, nothing.
“I said, ‘when are we going to get our stuff back?’ They said it could be days or it could be months,” she said.
Marisa said she is left with nothing but questions.
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Sounds more like a typical homeinvasion robbery using ice disguises
Is there any difference anymore for thr Americans?
In the military we referred to this as PILLAGING. It’s illegal for US soldiers to do it to foreign nationals in Iraq and Afghanistan and if they get caught they get court-martialed. I guess if you work for Trump and you do it to Americans, it’s okay though.
The term used for it in law enforcement is “civil asset forfeiture”. For her to get it back, her property is going to have to get a lawyer to defend that it is probably not used in a crime or purchased with funds obtained through criminal activity. Doing that is not cheap.
If anyone thinks Schadrach is being a troll, they’re not. CAF is really fucked up when you look into its use and what it takes to get it back.
Yeah, wasn’t trolling. They literally start a court case against the property to determine if that property was used in or purchased through the proceeds of a crime, and the standard is a preponderance of the evidence. Hiring a lawyer to defend your property against the allegation it was bought with drug money or w/e often costs more than replacing it would. Which is the point.
ICE is going to finance itself by stealing any money they can find. It’s Mob rules from the government under Trump.
Just like the Gestapo and the SS did
Mistakes do happen, there’s no need to overreact or blow things out of proportion.
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If I break into your house, force you into the street at gunpoint and steal everything of value, will you be happy with a “it was just a mistake, shit happens, get over it”? Grow some fucking empathy for fucks sake. It isn’t that fucking hard.
Go to hell you fascist piece of shit.
Ah yes, the “mistake” of deliberately stealing an entire family’s belongings. Easy mistake to make.
Is this sarcasm or are you a psychopath?
Why aren’t ice agents getting popped by now?
Because their fellow nazis will retalliate in force
And then promptly shoot each other in the face.
It shouldn’t be important, but do we know their race? I read the article, but I may have missed it. I am assuming they are Hispanic.
The video states the names are pseudonymous. So the answer would be, no.
Sooner or later they’ll break in a house with someone similar to them that will welcome them with a semi automatic…
Oh I really want to see them go busting into a home of a 2A gun nut hillbilly. I don’t say this often, but I’d root for the hillbilly.
Gatling guns are legal. Look into it.
Why in the hell would one move to a shitty red run welfare state? ICE is the neo Gestapo or NKVD.
Definitely cant see any comparisons to the SS there 👍
some fucking gestapo shit
Civil Asset Forfeiture. It’s legal in most states, but some are better than others. Oklahoma is dog shit:
https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit-3/?state=OK
Seriously people, don’t move to Oklahoma, or really most southern states.
Do not move anywhere in the US, just move out.
LMAO why do people always say this.
If it were that easy, the entire population of every authoritarian country would have already moved out.
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That’s my biggest issue with taking in americans. This isn’t something new, it just wasn’t done so overtly before. The people fleeing it may not agree with what is happening now, but they carry the fundamental issue with them. This is a problem with what america was built on, the freedom to not give half a shit about anyone else, and while a lot of people aren’t like that, and very well may integrate well into european cultures, a lot of other people want to get out because this time it wasn’t in their favour, and learn absolutely fuck all from it.
Does not apply to DHS agents.
If you think that’ll stop them, I have a bridge to sell you. In case you hadn’t noticed, the law doesn’t mean anything any more to the people in power.
Police in Oklahoma kicked me out of my house at my ex’s request. No police report, no idea why.
You mentioned southern states, but I just checked a few other states, because I was thinking maybe they’re blue, liberal, and it may be better:
HI: D- IL: D- MA: F WA: D-
Oops!!!
For comparison: OK: D- TX: D+
TX scored the highest out of these states. We’re fucked!
Yeah unfortunately it’s no guarantee that blue states are better. Many are, but not all. Colorado, California, and New York all score a ‘C’, still not great but much better.
At this point if I ever have the displeasure of meeting an ice terrorist I’m going to shoot him/her
You gotta be smart, use obscure language embrace missed messaging.
Exhibit A, Your Honor.
IANAL, TINLA, but: Don’t publish plans to commit crimes.
If they are standing their ground it might be up for debate.
steals their life savings
Everything new is a forgotten old, Wallenstein’s turn.
But yeah, more such stories, more rougher reactions.
I think Lemmy public will reconsider their gun rights stance after a couple of years.
I think Lemmy public will reconsider their gun rights stance after a couple of years
I used to think anti gun people would face reality at some point. Then January 6th happened, and blue conservatives still wanted to disarm the people.
Even after repeatedly demonstrating they or the justice system will never defend us. We are on our own.
And yet, those who want easy access to guns argue its to protect themselves from tyrannical power. They are also not doing that. Perhaps, in part, because the power disparity between military, police, and a civilian gun owner makes personal guns little more than display pieces.
Gun ownership is a hobby. Most of the dialogue around them is theater. Those who enjoy guns own far more than is needed for ‘defense’, because it’s enjoying ownership that they’re actually defending.
Perhaps, in part, because the power disparity between military, police, and a civilian gun owner makes personal guns little more than display pieces.
So it’s better to let it grow more, right?
Gun ownership is a hobby. Most of the dialogue around them is theater. Those who enjoy guns own far more than is needed for ‘defense’, because it’s enjoying ownership that they’re actually defending.
That’s obvious, hard to do a lot of what you don’t enjoy if you can avoid it. Of course it’s theater. Most of the dialogue around karate is theater. It still somewhat prepares one physically for various events.
I wrote a Gemini (small web) client in the last 2 days, of course it’s theater, I don’t have a modus of using Gemini yet, but it was useful. At least I have a client convenient for me personally, I’ve gained some experience (ok, it’s a simple task, but), some self-confidence.
With guns - of course it’s mostly a very cool toy, people also do historical fencing with swords. But they also learn things about military history and something about using small arms. Better than nothing, sniper rifles still have a place in warfare, even if typical “assault rifles” are almost like a bayonet in WWII, still has uses, but very secondary.
Learning is the root of any achievement. Learning is helped by joy. Why should this be different for defense?
I’m sorry but at this point I would be too embarrased to be an American citizen and migrate the F out lmao, a second term Donald Trump? So embarrassing 😭🤦🏻♂️💩💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
What country are you in, and what have you done to make it easier for people to claim asylum there?
That’s kind of an asshole take. As a US citizen, there’s no country that would take me in right now. I’m just not eligible to work in any of the other countries I’ve looked at.
First, I only know English. I know a bit of French because my parents paid for lessons when I was a kid, but I’ve had zero chance to practice after college. Many Americans have no foreign language experience at all.
Second, what skills can a typical American market? If you don’t have any good skills, it’s hard to apply for work visa in another country. You could try applying for asylum, but other countries don’t really see things as bad enough to take in Americans yet.
Third, how long would it take to apply? A year is typical. Again, you could try asylum which may have an initial time allocation to stay until your hearing. But that only works once countries start accepting Americans’ asylum claims.
A lot of people can’t afford to move.
And a lot of people want to stay and fight.
We are the illegal immigrants now.
In November I woke up ready to bail. but upon reviewing my options, I determined that nowhere was really better.
There seem to be precious few countries that aren’t flirting with authoritarian parties right now and leaving this one, where I have my social safety net (friends and family, if not government aid) and at least a small amount of power to vote for my values, to go somewhere where I am an immigrant or refugee and lose the power to change policy seemed to be a poor choice. so far. I’m white, straight and middle class, though, so that may be entirely different math for other people.
I’m choosing to stay and fight.
I am embarrassed to be American. But I’m also too poor to do anything about it
And that’s what the rich want! The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer! It’s the new American way sadly!
If only it were that easy.
everyone needs to remember that if/when this is over, anyone who supported this or participated in it needs to be shunned for the rest of their lives.
People who support this shit should be tarred and feathered.
shunned? they need to be imprisoned
Imprisoned? They need to bee branded.
Which is probably not going to happen. we could have a government of just democrats and they wouldn’t convict these people.
No, they need to be made examples of. There need to be mass Nuremberg trials, no Nazis left alone, no scientists spared, no business deals.
No mercy.
No. They need to be convicted and held to account.
held to account
in mass graves
I’m on your side. Giver.
Stop answering doors and answer them with guns. Start shooting first and figure out who’s alive after. That is my suggestion.
They were asleep
