The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.

“I keep asking them, ‘who are you? What are you doing here? What’s happening,’” she said. “And they said, ‘we have a warrant for the house, a search warrant.’”

She said they ordered her and her daughters outside into the rain before they could even put on clothes.

“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments—her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear.”

Marisa said the names on the search warrant were not hers or anyone in her family.

“We just moved here from Maryland,” she said. “We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens.”

She said the agents didn’t care.

“They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless,” she said. “I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything.”

Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and what few belongings they had, seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”

“I told them before they left, I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” she said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”

Before they left, Marisa said one of the agents made a comment.

“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”

Now, Marisa said they have, quite literally, nothing.

“I said, ‘when are we going to get our stuff back?’ They said it could be days or it could be months,” she said.

Marisa said she is left with nothing but questions.

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          I mean he is a non-citizen (by their standards) who has committed serious crimes in our country. He should be at the top of their list.

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            You don’t need to put the “by their standards”

            He is an immigrant who lied in his application, worked with an invalid status and overstayed his student visa to start his criminal career

            His acquired citizenship needs to be stripped and deported to El Salvador

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          Use a fake number generator for phone numbers as well as name generators. Also do it on a public computer and not your own device. If you must use a device you have. Do not do it from home and use a VPN combined with Tor network.

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      People should claim to be ICE agents and go rob the homes of actual ICE agents. Accuse them of being illegal immigrants and disappear them off to fates unknown. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Give them a taste of their own medicine.

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        They should be added last, so that we don’t cripple them while they do a fantastic job looting MAGA houses.

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    I’m sorry but at this point I would be too embarrased to be an American citizen and migrate the F out lmao, a second term Donald Trump? So embarrassing 😭🤦🏻‍♂️💩💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

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      That’s kind of an asshole take. As a US citizen, there’s no country that would take me in right now. I’m just not eligible to work in any of the other countries I’ve looked at.

      First, I only know English. I know a bit of French because my parents paid for lessons when I was a kid, but I’ve had zero chance to practice after college. Many Americans have no foreign language experience at all.

      Second, what skills can a typical American market? If you don’t have any good skills, it’s hard to apply for work visa in another country. You could try applying for asylum, but other countries don’t really see things as bad enough to take in Americans yet.

      Third, how long would it take to apply? A year is typical. Again, you could try asylum which may have an initial time allocation to stay until your hearing. But that only works once countries start accepting Americans’ asylum claims.

      A lot of people can’t afford to move.

      And a lot of people want to stay and fight.

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        In November I woke up ready to bail. but upon reviewing my options, I determined that nowhere was really better.

        There seem to be precious few countries that aren’t flirting with authoritarian parties right now and leaving this one, where I have my social safety net (friends and family, if not government aid) and at least a small amount of power to vote for my values, to go somewhere where I am an immigrant or refugee and lose the power to change policy seemed to be a poor choice. so far. I’m white, straight and middle class, though, so that may be entirely different math for other people.

        I’m choosing to stay and fight.

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        And that’s what the rich want! The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer! It’s the new American way sadly!

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    steals their life savings

    Everything new is a forgotten old, Wallenstein’s turn.

    But yeah, more such stories, more rougher reactions.

    I think Lemmy public will reconsider their gun rights stance after a couple of years.

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      I think Lemmy public will reconsider their gun rights stance after a couple of years

      I used to think anti gun people would face reality at some point. Then January 6th happened, and blue conservatives still wanted to disarm the people.

      Even after repeatedly demonstrating they or the justice system will never defend us. We are on our own.

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        And yet, those who want easy access to guns argue its to protect themselves from tyrannical power. They are also not doing that. Perhaps, in part, because the power disparity between military, police, and a civilian gun owner makes personal guns little more than display pieces.

        Gun ownership is a hobby. Most of the dialogue around them is theater. Those who enjoy guns own far more than is needed for ‘defense’, because it’s enjoying ownership that they’re actually defending.

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          Perhaps, in part, because the power disparity between military, police, and a civilian gun owner makes personal guns little more than display pieces.

          So it’s better to let it grow more, right?

          Gun ownership is a hobby. Most of the dialogue around them is theater. Those who enjoy guns own far more than is needed for ‘defense’, because it’s enjoying ownership that they’re actually defending.

          That’s obvious, hard to do a lot of what you don’t enjoy if you can avoid it. Of course it’s theater. Most of the dialogue around karate is theater. It still somewhat prepares one physically for various events.

          I wrote a Gemini (small web) client in the last 2 days, of course it’s theater, I don’t have a modus of using Gemini yet, but it was useful. At least I have a client convenient for me personally, I’ve gained some experience (ok, it’s a simple task, but), some self-confidence.

          With guns - of course it’s mostly a very cool toy, people also do historical fencing with swords. But they also learn things about military history and something about using small arms. Better than nothing, sniper rifles still have a place in warfare, even if typical “assault rifles” are almost like a bayonet in WWII, still has uses, but very secondary.

          Learning is the root of any achievement. Learning is helped by joy. Why should this be different for defense?

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      It should be illegal…

      But with alternating between Republicans and neoliberals for 50 years, no one has ever actually put in serious effort to reign in police. Asset seizure is 100% legal and since they’re “charging” the money/property there’s no presumed innocence.

      Biden didn’t fix policing, Obama didn’t, and under Clinton it got worse in large part due to a bill Biden wrote.

      Obviously Republicans have been worse, but the point is shit doesn’t ever get better.

      We have a good DNC now, that won’t block good candidates, but that’s a very recent development

      Quick edit:

      This meant to be a reply to someone else, but something weird is happening

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        We have a good DNC now, that won’t block good candidates, but that’s a very recent development

        Wouldn’t be so sure about that. Ken Martin is out there trying to stop David Hogg from primarying incumbents.

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          Good, Hogg has no traction and never will win an election. He should be the last choice for the left.

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            Huh? He’s not running for election; he’s using his PAC to support young progressives primarying Dem incumbents in safe blue seats.

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                The bigger issue is that you felt it necessary to comment via assumptions rather than even doing a cursory google search. Without knowing anything about charisma or policy you said he should be the last choice for the left? Do you think the incumbents are doing a good job?

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                  No I don’t think incumbents are doing a good job, but I know David Hogg, his policy positions, and public outlook. He is not a good candidate in my opinion. I was surprised and thought he was running with the way he worded his comment.

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    In all seriousness these are the stories that have actually been reported, which means there are probably a lot more that have not been reported. Hope people start to rise up.

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      MSMS intentionally dont report certain news that are too critical of trump, they probably are sitting on a ton of reports like these, but selective to gear it towards for the sake of a republican that happens to watch the news.

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        Some people haven’t experienced anything bad yet, so they don’t care. Some people realize that once the fighting starts we’re all fucked for the next few decades at minimum and for a few centuries worst-case. And some people are positively thrilled by what’s happening and are cheering everything on.

        Hence why there’s no rioting, yet. I hope it’s coming, that we don’t just roll over like the Iranians and the Russians did for their autocrats, but I also fear that it is coming.

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          the tariffs hasnt hit most peoples stores yet, so its out of sight of mind. also because they think something will stop it down the line.

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    Illegal search and seizure. Where’s the nra? The various groups that swore to uphold the constitution?

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      cloud is ridiculous. just set up some mini servers with friends or family. rsync your stuff with them over wireguard every now and then. The cloud should absolutely never ever be trusted.

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        If they can get a warrant to steal your shit, they can steal shit from your friends and family if they can show that you have files on their property as well. All this will result in is your family members having all their computers stolen as well.

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          This is true. But they will have to send people out to get that drive and you will know about it. In the cloud, a government can take that data and the provider is forbidden from telling you.

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      Don’t store data on other people’s computers. Use encryption locally and store an encrypted backup at a friend’s house, or in a bank safe if you must.

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        The problem with this is that anywhere you can store a file or place a backup then becomes a legal target for an ICE raid. They get a warrant to steal all your stuff, regardless of where it may be. When they steal your computers, they’ll find records of your system sending files off to an offsite backup somewhere. They can then use that as legal justification to go raid your friend’s house, and they’ll steal not only your backup drive, but all your friend’s computers as well.

        The only way this doesn’t work is if the files are stored on the servers of a giant multinational or an offshore cloud provider. ICE isn’t going to be breaking into data centers and physically carting off hard drives. They instead would simply request a copy of the data, and the cloud provider would share it with them.

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          I understood the worry to be about storage devices being stolen from home. In which case it would be safe at a friend’s house. Putting an encryptes backup anywhere online is partially okay, but most people trust their cloud solution software for encryption, which is about as good as sensing your unencrypted data to that company.

          Even with encrypted backups the risk is that totalitarian regimes / corporations store data forever. And if your encyption keys ever leak, or the algorithm is broken, you’re fucked in retrospect.

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      My NAS encrypts my Backups and transfers them to some hetzner webspace on a server in Sweden. For email and day to day cloud usage I use mailbox.org. They are from Germany and put a focus on privacy and security, yearly payments are no problem.

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        I would considering moving that data to Germany since they are trying to bypass an anti encryption law in Sweden

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      A well placed encrypted backup on two separately located microSD cards (in case mice eat the other), located within a few hundred meters of your actual residence, should be beyond the ability of common goons (ICE, cops, impatient FBI agents) to locate. They’d have to engage in long-term surveillance.

      If curious kids find one, it’s still encrypted and you still have the other, and curious kids won’t take your primary data carrier by raiding your house either. You just replace the backup then and put it elsewhere.

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          Even 1 TB is arduous. Don’t back up your movie collection, let the feds have it if they want. Back up your code, correspondence and encryption keys. :)

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      I know nothing about tech but couldn’t someone wiser than me create the ability to decentralize people’s information. Scattering bits around the world on personal servers. Similar to how the fediverse works. I don’t honestly know shit about this so maybe I’m talking out my ass.

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        Added context for the non-tech crowd to explain the downvotes. Proton checks all the boxes, EU based (swiss), good platform that is working towards being a unified google services replacemnt. For most people I do still recommend them, I quite like their software.

        But for the socially concious nerd, their CEO put their foot in their mouth on the artist formerly known as twitter late last year, and that damaged their user bases trust in them (no policy changed, they just stated opinions that were very out of touch with their user base)

        There is a lot of nuance to the issue, im glossing over a lot and I feel it gets blown out of proportions on Lemmy.

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      Amazing that the top comment is this crap spam sock puppet nonsense. Come on this account is 23 hours old. I get not wanting to support us companies, but the flood of brand new accounts posting stupid questions about it is ridiculous.

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    Remember folks, every vote counts. We did this to ourselves.

    I’ve said it before elsewhere but it needs to be heard…

    It’s just wild to me continually seeing posts not understanding how this all works, and how it would play out. It’s like the people who thought China paid the tariffs…

    The house is almost tied. That’s who passes bills, handles impeachments, some of the most powerful committees are, and who impeaches Presidents…

    218 Republicans, 213 Democrats.

    Let’s see, take New York for example.

    26 representatives total, 19 Democrat and 7 Republican.

    5 of those were within 2 points last time their seat was up.

    People who think that New York is blue, their vote doesn’t matter, skips the votes for the House and Senate and end up losing a Blue house seat but later complain that nothing changes are literally the fucking problem.

    Every. Fucking. State. Is. Like. This.

    Apathetic morons who don’t realize that the president is only held accountable by the other branch of government then wave their hands around when they did jack shit to help put people in place to, are the fucking problem.

    District 3 of California was lost by 24,000 votes. District 22 was lost by 3,000.

    Those two seats in the house, along with the close ones in New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Washington, hell every state… Are what makes the House of Representatives or breaks it.

    So, if you think that your vote for president doesn’t matter, so you skip voting and let these other seats slip, yes, you’re a fucking moron who can’t grasp basic concepts of government that are taught in 4th grade.

    And don’t get me started on the State House/Senates, how they define voting laws and voting zones and engage in gerrymandering.

    Every fucking vote counts.

    And until the country realizes it, and starts acting on it, we’ll keep getting the shit we deserve.

    House needs a simple majority, and two thirds of the Senate.

    Democrats would need ~18 seats.

    First, that won’t happen in 2026.

    Even the best cases make it hard to win enough by 2028. Which is why impeachment is just not something we can hold out for.

    Gerrymandering is part of why this is a problem, which is done at the local level, and again why every vote counts.

    How could it play out? Assuming some absurdly weird upside down world just opposite of what we’re living in, this is the only path just looking at the numbers…

    Again, Democrats would need to gain 18 net seats. Seats Potentially in Play (Republican Incumbents): This requires looking at seats up in upcoming cycles.

    • Class 1 Seats (Up in 2026):
      • Highly Competitive Targets: These would be the first priority. States where Democrats have won statewide recently or that lean only slightly Republican. Examples based on recent political history might include:
        • North Carolina (Budd-R)
        • Alaska (Sullivan-R) - Unique dynamics with ranked-choice voting.
      • Stretch Targets: States that are more Republican but could potentially flip under exceptionally favorable conditions (like the hypothetical turnout).
        • Iowa (Ernst-R)
        • Montana (Daines-R) - Depends heavily on candidate matchups.
        • Kentucky (McConnell-R’s seat - potential retirement changes dynamics)
        • Kansas (Marshall-R)
        • South Carolina (Graham-R)
      • Very Difficult Targets: Solidly Republican states requiring overwhelming Democratic turnout and significant shifts among other voters.
        • Texas (Cornyn-R)
        • Mississippi (Wicker-R)
        • Alabama (Tuberville-R)
        • West Virginia (Capito-R)
        • Oklahoma (Mullin-R - Special election winner)
        • Wyoming (Lummis-R)
        • Idaho (Risch-R)
        • Arkansas (Cotton-R)
        • Nebraska (Ricketts-R)
        • South Dakota (Rounds-R)
        • Louisiana (Cassidy-R) - Jungle primary system.
    • Class 2 Seats (Up in 2028): (Looking further ahead)
      • Highly Competitive Targets:
        • Maine (Collins-R) - Often competitive, depends on matchup.
        • Georgia (Perdue/Ossoff dynamic showed competitiveness, depends who holds it after '26 potentially) - Assuming GOP holds a seat here.
      • Stretch Targets:
        • Michigan (Peters-D currently, but listing potential GOP flips back if one happened hypothetically before 2028) - Generally leans D, but could be contested.
        • New Hampshire (Shaheen-D currently) - Generally leans D, but listing potential GOP flips back.
      • Very Difficult Targets: (Many solidly Republican states)
        • Tennessee (Hagerty-R)
        • Alaska (Murkowski-R historically, depends on dynamics)
        • North Carolina (Tillis-R)
        • Iowa (Grassley-R seat potentially)
        • Texas (Cruz-R)
        • Kentucky (Paul-R)
        • And many others similar to the 2026 list (SC, AL, MS, WY, ID, NE, SD, KS, WV, OK).

    It’s going to take an absolutely historic level of pain to both drive enough people to vote MAGA out to make this change though.

    The amount that’s being excused, sanewashed, and just drowned out with other absurdities…

    We’re on all on this shit ride until some new wildcard comes into play.

    No impeachment, no Supreme Court, no guardrail is going to change that.

    Something new and unaccounted for is the only feasible catalyst.

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      It is true, every vote counts, but not for the Democrats. They have approved Trumps household and supported him in other legislation already. Biden continued much of Trumps legacy of deportations, wall building and raiding innocent people. The laws around “civil forfeiture” have been expanded by Democrats on state level and upheld by Democrats on the federal level throughout the past 30ish years.

      Unless the leadership and party elites of the past decades are purged from the party it will never be a vehicle of change, only of maintaining the decline at a slower rate than under the Republicans.

      EDIT: Another example of the Democrats making sure that progressives that could challenge Trump are blocked as much as possible on their way. https://www.jezebel.com/75-year-old-democrat-who-beat-aoc-for-key-role-resigns-after-4-months

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      I wish people didn’t vote against Bernie in the primaries.

      I’d vote to support progressive candidates, but neo-liberals can legitimately go fuck themselves.

      We should unite and convince people to stop voting for establishment candidates. It’s their turn to fall in line since progressives aren’t doing it.

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      every vote counts

      Ummm, not to be an ass but no. The usa has some of the highest number of disenfranchisement in the world. Then you have people like me who’s vote does not count at all in american elections (there are dozens of us!).

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        Confidently incorrect.

        Like I said, every single local election, from city BOE and councils, to county boards to state officials count.

        The local elections are who draw the districts are who disenfranchise.

        The county courts, the district courts who are elected are who rule in favor of gerrymandering.

        So if you skip a vote, if you are too busy, too tired, too hungover, that’s it. It’s on you.

        If you can’t grasp that, it’s on you.

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          Not be that guy, but the person you’re replying to isn’t exactly wrong in saying “every vote counts is wrong” in some cases.

          Being pedantically literal, yes, every vote is counted.

          The reality of First Past The Post voting and the Electoral College is that the only votes that “count” insofar that they actually affect the outcome of an election are votes for the winning party. Now add on to that the common understanding that both major parties only care about what their corporate donors have to say, and that individual voter participation isn’t likely to influence anything other than the party campaign strategy for the next election.

          That means that if enough people vote as a collective to flip which party wins, then and only then does their vote count for anything meaningful. People should vote anyways, but it’s not hard to see why someone might be just a little bit disenfranchised when their participation in the democratic process seems to result in nothing but wasted time because they live next to a bunch of a conservative hicks.

          You are absolutely right about smaller state and local elections, though. Those are where each vote actually has a chance to be meaningful.

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            Or you live in DC, or Puerto Rico or any other US territory, or are a felon, or an immigrant. I am really shocked that anyone can look at the usa and see a democracy in this day and age.

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          I am not american, and if I was one of approximately 5.1 million (that is about 1 out of 44 or so people) who have lost the ability to vote, no I don’t have a say in any level of us politics.

          You are as a nation well past the “lesser evil” party saving you. You are full on into the sort of terrible collapse shown in the subject of the article you are promoting. As a side note, with how the silly two teams system of yours works, the dems if back in power will forever be a little worse then before trump.

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            And it’s the local smaller elections that form the basis of the “parties” that put those candidates up.

            The DNC and RNC, all those people sent from the states to nominate who the Democrat or Republican runner is, they’re all locals.

            If people stepped up and replaced those ignorant twats, we’d get something different.

            But instead, we whine that it doesn’t matter and don’t do anything and wonder why it doesn’t change.

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          Was it deleted? It seems fine on my end though I might be missing something. My best guess and the only logical thing to suspect. Is that pointing out fascists would gleefully kill anyone who resists them was somehow mistaken as call for violence. Not just simply acknowledging the behavior of fascists.

          I’m not a big advocate for arming in general. In a just Civil Society there should be no need for weapons and guns. However we don’t live in such a society at this point. And I think it’s a good idea for everyone especially the vulnerable and minorities to arm themselves in the face of the fascist. But I certainly will not scold them for not doing so. Because it absolutely could escalate things and cost them their life. It’s going to happen at some point though. I don’t want it to, but if people keep failing to put the fascists down. It will

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            Might have been “because repost.”

            To your other points, everything good must be backed up with “We’ll fight you to the death over this if we have to.”

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        “Woman with no active warrants shot by police searching for illegal immigrant gang members”

        –Mass media

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          “South American shot after opening fire on police searching for illegal immigrant gang members”

          FTFY

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          “Woman with no active warrants shot by police searching during search for illegal immigrant gang members”

          I think this is how it would likely be reported. Making it a more passive action would shield responsibility.

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          The fecklessness of the mass media, and anyone that believes journalism is just repeating/reporting on what was said is certainly without end. Any journalist or Outlet that frets over access to groups or individuals because of their reporting aren’t involved in journalism. Just complicit in aiding propaganda. And we’ve just described almost every last bit of a media sadly.

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    Curious how they felt they were entitled to seize their electronics and savings. AFAIK “search warrants” are typically isolated to specific people and property, not a free-for-all where they can just take anything they feel like taking. However, I saw it mentioned in a previous post about this that these agents aren’t even getting search warrants but a “writ” and that agents are intentionally conflating the two in the media in order to provide a false sense of legitimacy to their illegal and unconstitutional actions.

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      Welcome to the world of civil asset forfeiture. That family will have to prove that that money was not the proceeds of a crime to get it back. And yes, that is a reversal of the standard: the money is guilty until proven innocent.

      The US justice system has been subverted long before Trump to enable absurd shit like this that are obviously in violation of the 4th amendment.