OK, now what?
Trump is a criminal, no one should be surprised that he is ignoring the rule of law.
Not only is there no evidence they’re following her order, there is proactive evidence of them defying her order.
This is when the judge issues an arrest warrant for Trump/Elon and then deputizes everyone who is willing to try to take him in.
Then they is arrested and we start adding years to their prison sentences for every obstruction.
Criminal contempt can be pardoned by the president.
Civil contempt cannot.
Charge them each a million dollars a day.
Charge them the operating budget of ICE per day, plus 10%. None of those jackbooted thugs should get paid until each person is returned to the US.
There isn’t going to be a legal way to hold them accountable.
Try $1B/day. A million to Trump is like an ok steak dinner, while to Musk, it’s like the dollar menu.
Do it to the Ice agents, attorneys, anyone involved.
Make it financial suicide to carry out their orders.
Unfortunately the only way to arrest a president is the impeachment process. Which wont happen with a republican super majority. Unless you can get Republicans to grow a spine there is no other legal process to hold the President accountable.
However I’m not sure about those employed by in his administration. But then again if he’s willing to pardon Jan 6th rioters he will definitely pardon people in his administration…
I mean I think at least in theory the court has the ability to use the US Marshalls to enforce a court order. And I also believe they can deputize others to enforce those orders instead in case the Marshalls end up answering to the DoJ instead of the judges.
Actually the only way to arrest anyone is with physical restraints. Trump can blather all he wants once the cuffs are on, but hogtied is hogtied no matter how you slice him.
Sure. But the same is NOT true for everyone below the president. More people might push back on Trump’s illegal orders if they know there’s actual consequences for it.
The first part is still right. In a sane world, this is where the court starts to enforce that it is a co equal branch, per the constitution.
But we left the sane world a decade ago so… who knows.
Idk if those rules apply anymore.
It doesn’t seem like rules apply in this country anymore, and whoever wins the current war will decide what was legal retroactively.
The article is actually really badly written because it completely ignores a key point. The Supreme court itself said that the government needed to act internationally. It’s there in the text of the decision.
In other words, this isn’t the government against some low-level judge. It’s Trump telling the Supreme Court to go to hell. I hope some judges somewhere will actually stand up and lock people up for depriving people of their civil rights, but so far it doesn’t look like any of them have the courage to do so.
That’s the thing though, the judiciary has never had real power. The best they can do is issue decisions which are promptly ignored.
At this point a SCOTUS ruling seems to have as much power as a UN Resolution
Wake up. Your courts haven’t been able to help you long before the cheeto was in power and was flaunting his many felonies. The courts literally gave him unlimited power already. There have been zero repercussions for him his entire life while you all cheered him on and brought him to power not once but twice.
In 2022 there were 161.42 million eligible voters in the US (latest number I could find)
Trump got 77,284,118 votes
There is 340.1 million people in the US.
I’d say that far from all.
But otherwise yeah I already know the Supreme Court pretty much gave him unlimited power.
Yes all. No one stood up or this guy would not be in office. Like you said above only 77,000,000 voted for him. And the other 263 million allowed those few fascist lovers even have a say.
He was honest and open (oddly enough) about his plans for dictatorship years in advance. Your complete society allowed this to happen. No one could have stopped it but the citizens of your country. No one can still stop it but you. Yet in years of knowing no one has organized any resistance at all. Again allowing it to happen.
He put his Nazi goons in your capitol buildings and still no one did anything. He was convicted of dozens of crimes. He’s flaunted the law his entire life. He’s been a grifter and a cheat his entire life but you all have him one of the most popular tv shows of its time and thus a very loud voice within your celebrity culture that dominates your news cycles. You propped up his celebrity status and cheered him on for being a dickhead to people. You’ve watched him openly destroy his own businesses and bank accounts on whims multiple times yet remain extremely wealthy. No one did anything the entire time.
Yes I blame American society as a whole, and that includes you, for encouraging and allowing this to happen from the very beginning.
You don’t know how to math. 77 million voted for Trump sure but plenty didn’t. Yes non voters suck but they aren’t 263 million.
Your comment is false and really doesn’t help. At all.
Yes non voters suck but they aren’t 263 million.
No, in fact; they are 91 million. Which is plenty enough to have made a difference between a win and a loss for democracy.
Their comment is not false. If enough non voters voted, things would be very different now.
They didn’t vote for him but they also didn’t prevent him from getting on that ballot again after he openly tried to overthrow your government, openly courted Nazis, declared himself a dictator, stacked your highest court in favor of himself with bribes and payments, was convicted of dozens of crimes and, and, and…
Who was supposed to stop that? Me? A Canadian? Maybe you expected the French anarchists to protect you. Or the Mexican drug cartels. I don’t know. Who was supposed to stop the fascists from rising to power in your country and start killing your own countrymen?
I believe that would be you. I’m pretty sure it’s not me. I have my own country’s fascism problems to deal with having bled over the border from the shithole to the south of us.
We “allowed” them. Which ignores the fact that people have a RIGHT to vote for who they WANT.but yeah that’s not important to you.
Have fun in your delusions. Bye
Enjoy your death camps. He tried to forcefully overthrow your government but you ALLOWED him on the ballot again. Yes allowed. You. Your family. Your neighbors. Your friends. You.
One guy seemingly tried. Took a few shakey shots. He tried. Not sure what hellhole they dropped him in, probably dead . That guy I’ll give credit to, even though he missed. He tried.
When are you going to start blaming yourself? You’ve had so much fun blaming 300 million people, and if you’ve gone that far, why not put one more on the list?
That’s your American exceptionalism showing through. Expecting everyone else to manage your bullshit.
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No kidding your honor. The question is what exactly are you or any other judge going to do about it?
I don’t mean that in a Trump is right kind of way. I mean it in a this is something the judiciary needs to be seriously looking into sooner rather than later.
This guy’s already dead.
Court: issues order
Trump Admin: flat out says they will not follow the orders
Court: I don’t think the admin is following my orders.
the courts need to form a militaristic arm to carry out their needs.
They have the Marshals, and the judge could indeed order a government official arrested.
In sane times, yes. But US Marshalls are a part of the Dept of Justice, which answers to the Executive. So I’ll let you guess how that would play out if they were ordered to arrest Trump or anyone else in his circle.
The court needs to do this and see what happens. A civil war may be the only way out of this.
Give them two weeks to do something. We’ll see, then what if they don’t provide? Another 2 weeks? They will just say he is dead or died in transit and it’s out of their hands. Then what happens? Let me guess.
Fucking nothing.
This whole case has collapsed into a handful of choices:
- Judge doesn’t declare the Trump admin in Contempt of Court (i.e. does nothing). This sets precedent that Trump’s administration enjoys full immunity from the judiciary, officially turning the US into a dictatorship. This is what has been happening for weeks and remains by far the most likely scenario.
- Judge declares Trump in Contempt of Court, but is unable to enforce it. This is equivalent to scenario 1.
- Judge declares the Trump admin in Contempt of Court and deputizes state police to enforce the ruling and arrest, if not Trump, at least some officials. This would be legal and remains the only constitutional solution, but would almost certainly trigger an armed response from the regime. Democracy doesn’t go down without a fight, but the end result is uncertain.
- Pro-democracy factions use illegal/violent means to force Trump to comply (military coup, sudden Luigi’s Mansion remake, etc.). However it would seem that the masks fell off and despite decades of propaganda to the contrary, literally not a single living American is willing to put their life on the line to protect Democracy.
- Dude’s dead and has been
The administration will just apply for an appeal to the decision - 6 months - then if it is approved it goes to a one man Supreme Court ruling (18 months), then they appeal again (12 months) and it goes to the full bench (24 months) who will declare its now outside the scope of action.
Didn’t this already go to the Supreme Court and come back? I think that decision was already made.
Because they made the poor and uneducated afraid. That’s why all the guns. Fear of that which they do not understand. They were fed endless propaganda about how Trump cares for the working class. Republican Corporate media let them keep their guns as long as they had an enemy to point them at that wasn’t them. Keep them scared and afraid of their allies, their fellow working class.
1a. Judge goes on a Holiday in Cambodia, so to speak, and is replaced. See option 1.
Well now I’ve gotta listen to some Dead Kennedys so thanks
I feel like a lot of lemmy users should read those lyrics and think on them for a bit.
- Admin complies
- Abrego suddenly ends up dead during that time. Essentially means admin would be complying.
We have to send monitors to that prison immediately until he’s safely back home
There’s a serious chance they’ll have the guy killed to get the judge off their back without having to be seen backing down, and to show judges what happens when they try to challenge the regime on a deportation case.
Which would definitely be contempt of court when the whole thing leaks because they added another goddamned reporter to the signal conversation about it
And then we get to watch Fox News talk about how brilliant and righteous the regime is
The Orange Turd is a criminal. I would expect nothing less from him.
Contempt of court when?
Doesn’t matter, they’ll ignore that too.
They need to have the bailiff already standing behind the regime lawyers right when it’s declared.
I’ve got an idea! Let’s sit around jerking each other off for two weeks while we build a case that Trump will just ignore anyways! Who’s with me (besides the Court)???
