• IndescribablySad@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
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      Just quitting voting isn’t enough, join a local political group. Worst case scenario, they get radical and you’re too into it so you end up on the news. Best case scenario, they get radical and you’re not into it so you go home and plan your meals for the week.

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      If Republicans didn’t have majority then there wouldn’t be any DNC making difficult choices. Not voting for democrats is exactly what caused this problem you’re supposedly outraged by.

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        I’ve held my nose and voted for the Democrats my entire adult life, including mid-terms. Guess I just gotta take it up the ass like the good rube that I am, since the Democrats don’t know how to win.

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          Primary them. The primary is where a protest vote actually matters. It’s where you’ll get the opportunity to replace your dem with a BETTER candidate instead of a worse one in the general election.

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            I agree. What really disheartened me and cemented them as “Corpo-fascist Lite” was the DNCs fuckery against Bernie Sanders and his willingness to let the chairwoman and Hillary get away with it.

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            Primary them. The primary is where a protest vote actually matters.

            Provided the primaries are trustworthy. Or exist at all.

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          Why are you ashamed at yourself for doing the correct thing? Likening yourself to a cuck surrendering to rape because you voted for your own wellbeing and that of others?

          I’m not seeing the connection here. Maybe keep your weird sexual fantasies out of politics, or start assigning blame where it deserves to be.

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            Why are you ashamed at yourself for doing the correct thing?

            Voting to give genocide support a mandate is not the correct thing to anyone but centrists.

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            YOU are the one that brought up the weird sexual fantasies, only to blame them on him. Calm down.

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            I was speaking figuratively, dummy. The “blame” for the inability to win lies upon the corporatist/“fascist-lite” DNC and their sycophants and cronies. Especially considering that in the last election, they had the largest campaign war-chest in recorded history and still lost. They’ve continuously paid lip-service to the working class and now they wonder why they lose.

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              This is an Atroturf if I’ve ever seen one. You literally praise the GOP and insult the DNC in one breath, even accuse the DNC of corporatism lmao like have you not followed politics at all in the last 35 years?

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        If Republicans didn’t have majority then there wouldn’t be any DNC making difficult choices.

        “Difficult choices”? How difficult is it for democrats to cave to republicans? At this point, it’s reflex. It’s not a difficult choice to yawn when you see someone else yawn.

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      OK democratic leadership, you win; I’ll quit voting for your party.

      May not matter at the rate we’re going.

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        Way i look at it if does then the threat was overblown and they’re undeserving anyways.

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    “The Republican bill is a terrible option,” Schumer said in his remarks. “It is deeply partisan. It doesn’t address far too many of this country’s needs. But I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”

    You fucking twat

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    “I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”

    What’s his reason for saying this? How does a government shutdown give Trump more power?

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      It doesn’t. He is lying and he knows it. I won’t attempt to recreate his spin, because it doesn’t make any sense.

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        Congress in theory has the power to hold back, punish, or even remove the president. The government shutdown causes a congressional recess.

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      I say this with no sarcasm whatsoever… Its not like anyone is opposing Trump anyway so what’s the point of capitulating and preventing a govt shutdown… There is no point other than bending a fucking knee.

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      It’s bullshit to cover up for the fact that his corporate donors like Blackstone can’t handle any more stock market pain.

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      If the goverment shuts down, the buildings and agencies will be empty, because all government workers will be home. But DOGE and Musk arent government workers, and theyll have unimpeded access to EVERYTHING, with absolutely nobody to observe what they are doing.

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      Citing what I saw on Philip DeFranco earlier, apparently in a shutdown the executive branch has a lot of power in terms of what specifics get shutdown and how.

      Was news to me considering the shitshow that happens every time the budget needs to be voted on but with all the DOGEness going on makes sense that there’s extra caution around this. Still sucks that Dems rolled over so easily.

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        Nothing is stopping the republicans from shutting it down themselves if it was so beneficial to Trump.

        And it’s not like they wouldn’t lie and blame it on the Democrats, so there’s minimal risk in voter agitation vs alleged reward.

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          I think mostly it is revealing about Schumer’s priorities. He has a government job. If everything within the buildings in Washington DC is mostly still working the way it’s supposed to, then at the end of the day he still gets a paycheck and some important stuff to do every day. Lots of people across the US going through upheaval, losing their jobs, maybe getting detained indefinitely or not, journalists getting threatened, all that stuff isn’t, like, good, but it’s also not an existential threat to him. The government shutting down would be.

          And so, avoiding that is a key priority of his. It’s urgent. All that other stuff is not.

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          Plus it’s a great opportunity for dozens of trolls to push a republican narrative on social media. Maybe a message to anyone left-leaning to stop voting.

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      How does a government shutdown give Trump more power?

      It doesn’t. It’s a straight up lie. He’s enthusiastically complicit.

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      Yeah that’s my question too. Does it unlock some military related powers? Maybe if there is no gov theres no legal oversight power?

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        It doesn’t unlock anything new, it just removes the lion handler from the lion’s circus act. Although, that lion handler was a Republican majority and wasn’t doing anything anyways.

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      A congressional shutdown means that nobody would be left to hold Trump accountable. Except, they’re already not doing that, so…

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    I quit. American politics are a circus sideshow full of dancing turds. At this point, let it burn. The side that I vote for won’t even stand up against this shit, so what good is my vote now?

    Just a bunch of rich assholes doing whatever they want.

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      That’s why the American people have to do it themselves. Take to the streets. The system has failed you. No one will save you but yourselves.

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        I’m just so disappointed in the fact that there are so many people in this country that actually voted for this shit. How can people sell themselves out like that, just to be able to say, “I owned the libs loool”

        I don’t even know what to think anymore.

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          Cmon, they cheated. We all know it. Even they know it. And by not addressing it and shining a light on it, Democrats are INVITING them to do it again in 2026 and 2028. In 2028, HitlerPig will win his unConstitutional reelection with 98% of the vote, and use that “overwhelming popularity” to justify ignoring the Constitutional prohibition against a third term.

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          It’s to do with where people stand. Most people in the US, despite their rhetoric, would be more centrist than many people realize (and between both major parties). That means most aren’t in agreement with much of what Trump is doing internationally or with respect to Musk/DOGE in application, though most might support broad ideas of ‘putting the US first’, ‘reducing the size/cost of the US government’, ‘stopping illegal immigration/deporting illegal immigrants’ etc. But crucially, this also means that most eligible voters are also right of the vocal elements of the left that play up political correctness, identity politics, and social economic policy (economic policy further left-wing than what we see at the moment). So in an election, if neither side really aligns with the majority of voters, it’s easy to see how voters can be swayed by voting against the current party in power, voting due to marketing/propaganda, or voting against the party that seems most radical in ways that differ from voters’ ideas/interests. Trump didn’t campaign on annexing Canada, or invading Greenland, but he did campaign on deporting illegal immigrants and reducing the size of government. And many people saw Harris as a continuation of Biden but with a more socially liberal (or further left on this) attitude and a stronger association with identity politics. So if Trump in his first term didn’t do much that most people would consider lasting harm (despite his antics and buffoonery) and campaigned on ideas that the majority agree with, whereas Harris was a continuation of an unpopular presidency/government (at least at the end) but with a flair of things that most people don’t align with, well, the result speaks for itself: a landslide in the electoral college. The only way forward for democrats is to capitalise on the mistakes Trump is making (unpopular decisions and attitudes), to seem reasonable and grounded to the majority, and to not veer off and start pushing for social issues most of the voting center doesn’t really buy (so for example focus on creating a better immigration system and treating immigrants fairly, but not legalising illegal immigrants. Or pushing for general social protections, workers’ rights, consumer rights, better and broader healthcare coverage and business regulation without straying into a focus on minority rights, trans terminology battles, antireligious discourse or attacking tradionalists/older folks’ viewpoints.) If you can win the center you can win the election. And you do that by appealing to the traditional center (and definitely not by antagonising it).

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            But crucially, this also means that most eligible voters are also right of the vocal elements of the left that play up political correctness, identity politics, and social economic policy (economic policy further left-wing than what we see at the moment).

            The evidence does not support this, it in fact supports the opposite conclusion.

            I think you need to think long and hard about why your perception is so confidently and boldly at odds with reality.

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            Lemme get this straight: you say the Democratic party’s policy of espousing a conservative approach on the issues of the day (immigration needs controlling, trans kids bad, Israel a-ok, etc) to peel voters from the Republican party was not only a good plan, but the only course of action they could reasonably take to win the election?

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              The Democratic party doesn’t need to espouse any of that, it just needs to be less belligerent about opposing the issues since they’re issues where the party’s stance isn’t quite shared by the majority of the population. If you remove the stumbling blocks for voters, and instead focus attention on where the party shares its views with the majority of the US population, then wouldn’t it be natural that more of the center would shift your way?

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      Come to Europe. We got ice cream and free healthcare. Also you don’t need a gun to protect yourself when going out for a walk.

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        I think those of us who want to leave cant…

        I mean I KNOW I’m fucked, I’d save my wife…but who would accept us? Likely not one single European nation.

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          All of them will if you have a million in the bank… If not then its a long hard road.

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              Don’t need to be exactly rich.

              What are the obstacles to taking this step? Is it only a financial matter? What is you and your wife’s profession? You can pm me if you want to.

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                Unfortunately internet stranger. I cannot divulge my information, my wife’s a tech teacher and I’m screwed. It’s about it.

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              I’m a middle school teacher and my partner builds houses. What country in Europe will take us? It’s a nice thought, but no one will accept us.

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                Teachers and construction workers are always welcome. The teaching part could be a problem because of the language and licenses, but maybe a state were English is a more common language.

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                Albania. It’s nice here. There’s a construction worker shortage, and no shortage of jobs for teachers that speak English. You can even show up and hang out for up to a year with no visa.

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                  I really doubt moving to a place like Albania, with far, far lower salaries, a massive language barrier, and a plethora of internal problems would be considered an improvement by most of the US citizens here.

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                A little closer than Europe, Canada needs both. Depending on age and some other factors it shouldn’t be too hard, tho it is not easy. Just don’t choose Quebec or New Brunswick if you don’t speak french

                Here is a link to our Express Entry

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          I’m disabled and autistic with no work history but menial jobs that I couldn’t do for more than a year before massive burnout. I’m sure that some country somewhere would want me, right? I can play the guitar for a few minutes before my messed up hands hurt too much.

          Kinda ready for the extermination camps, tbh.

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      Trump has been making threats like that since before the election. If Schummer didn’t think he could do his job, he should have stepped down.

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    Schumer is a traitor, capitulator and collaborator.

    his response to ice literally kidnapping a man for speech was three paragraphs of “oh yeah totally fuck him hate how fucking Arab he is” before finally saying “but this might be a little bit wrong? uwu” and asking for reasons rather than fucking demanding he be released immediately.

    Chuck “blackbagging might be wrong” Schumer. between him and Amy I wonder how much worse a family can get.

    fascist collaborator piece of shit.

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    Perfect encapsulation of the state of the Dem leadership:

    “Chuck Schumer caving and saying he’ll vote for a blank check for Trump and Musk is demonstrative of why Democrats lose,” lamented progressive activist and writer Jonathan Cohn. “Voters so often don’t believe what they [Dem leadership] say because they don’t believe what they say.”

    (Emphasis and clarification in brackets mine)

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      Literally less than 24 hours after saying democrats wouldn’t support the CR

      Absolutely pathetic

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        The TEA Party, apart from being funded by oligarchs, relied upon their target audience’s patriotism.

        The left has no patriotism because we know history, so it won’t work on us.

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    First they came for trans, and I spoke up because I am not a fascist.

    Then they came for the undocumented and I spoke up because I am not a fascist.

    Then they came for Chuck Schumer, meh, two out of threes not bad.