Probably in the minority here and I’m not a fan of establishment Democrats, but his reasoning that Trump would use the shutdown to move without court interference seemed logical to me.
I see the logic behind it, but cant decide if the system is now so broken that his logic even works in the new framework.
Even so, the way Schumer handled this was just awful. Vulnerable Democrats in the House stuck their necks out to vote against the CR. Then Schumer acted like he was going to filibuster it, but it was really just a procedural ruse. He burned his colleagues in the House and the Democratic base. If he was going to allow the CR to proceed, then he should have been signalling that since the beginning, and he certainly should never have acted like he was going to block it.
Also, as a personal matter, the tone that Schumer has been taking really grates on me. His solution is always to just roll over and let the Republicans do whatever. Maybe that’s the rational thing to do, reasonable minds can disagree, but he always seems so smug about it, as if that were obviously correct, and anyone who suggests that we should fight is a moron.
And whenever I hear him talk, I never get a sense of urgency. It’s as if nothing that’s going on really bothers him, and he’s 100% certain that things will turn out just fine like they always have. And that’s just objectively not true. Regardless of what our strategy should be, Trump is doing irreversible damage. Even if we end up winning the House in 2026 and the Presidency in 2028, our international reputation is going to be completely fucked for at least a decade, and very likely longer than that. Schumer should be worried, even if only for his own self-interest, because the system that has been so good to him is at risk of collapsing.
Even if he made the rational move in allowing the CR to proceed, I really think he’s just not a good leader or spokesperson for the party.
And whenever I hear him talk, I never get a sense of urgency. It’s as if nothing that’s going on really bothers him, and he’s 100% certain that things will turn out just fine like they always have.
They’ve all sounded like that for my entire life as I watched the world fall apart around me.
Their world is doing just fine!
This CR gives Musk a ticket to do whatever he wants, anyways.
So, why give him money to do it?
You know Trump could have just vetoed the spending bill and then got his shutdown right? Or the Republicans could have not submitted a bill or even voted against with that argument that it was better for Trump to have his way.
This has just legitimized him further in that when push comes to shove people (Democrats) do agree with giving him what he wants. He’s an unchecked bully.
This is not logical it’s easy.Whoever shuts down the government, loses. Republicans can’t just veto the bill or not pass a budget. But they CAN pass something Democrats don’t like and then blame Democrats for shutting down the government if they filibuster it. And voters WOULD blame Democrats, because they would be the party blocking the bill.
Run through the logic, after they stop this budget. Trump does whatever he wants while people blame Democrats, and eventually the Democrats cave and pass it anyway after allowing irreperable harm and harming their ability to take back the House in 2026, or they cave by letting Trump whatever he wants indefinitely.
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The fascists will do what they want either way. They only use laws when it is convenient for them to do so.
What the fascists wanted was to be legitimized by bipartisan support of their bill. They wanted the Democrats to consent in advance. To take the next small step willingly.
Chuck Schumer has handed the country over to the fascists in exchange for nothing because he serves the same billionaires.
There wasn’t a sudden realization from Schumer that flipped his opposition on Wednesday to his support on Thursday. That was his obvious cover to try to hide the billionaires he serves. Don’t fall for it.
Whoever controls the messaging can blame the other party for the shutdown. Democrats don’t bother to even have a narrative let alone control one. They fight in a strictly performative way. So no matter what happens Republicans can always blame Democrats and without an alternative view point pushed people who aren’t politically engaged are more likely to believe Republicans.
The ten Democrat Senators who voted for the CR do not care about winning. They care about raising their donors’ stock portfolios.
The fascists will do what they want either way. They only use laws when it is convenient for them to do so.
If that’s your actual stance, then none of what Schumer or any Democrat does, matters at all.
What the fascists wanted was to be legitimized by bipartisan support of their bill. They wanted the Democrats to consent in advance. To take the next small step willingly.
In what world is this the thing that matters? You’re really saying fascists would do whatever they want regardless of all laws or institutions, but…not really, the one man holding them back was Chuck Schumer, minority leader in the Senate.
Chuck Schumer has handed the country over to the fascists in exchange for nothing because he serves the same billionaires.
I see how you’re getting here, he does fund raise from Democratic billionaires, but the Internet Leftist urge to just dismiss anyone with any political power as not ideologically pure enough and thus the enemy puts such a small ceiling on the movement in terms of actual political results. Nothing to do with this comment thread it’s just something that annoys me.
There wasn’t a sudden realization from Schumer that flipped his opposition on Wednesday to his support on Thursday. That was his obvious cover to try to hide the billionaires he serves. Don’t fall for it.
He flipped overnight, ok. What’s the more likely scenario, he got some overnight polling that showed people were going to blame the Democrats for the shutdown so he switched out of political necessity, or he…secretly agreed with the Republicans the whole time but decided to pretend to oppose it for exactly one day for no reason.
Whoever controls the messaging can blame the other party for the shutdown. Democrats don’t bother to even have a narrative let alone control one.
Voters are not dumb, they just don’t all agree with you politically. They blamed Congressional Republicans in the Ted Cruz shutdown over Obamacare, and they blamed Trump in the shutdown over the Wall. Because those are the people who caused it. In this case, it would be the Democrats forcing a shutdown.
Fascists want us to comply in advance. Democrats, the opposition party, complied in advance. It is well understood that fascists move one step at a time so that they can execute their plans without serious opposition from the people.
So it does matter what Schumer does, because the fascists wanted to move unopposed and he, as minority leader, let them get away with it. My point is that Schumer’s fake concern that the fascists will have more leeway with a shutdown is bunk. The fascists goal was to get congressional approval and they got it for free.
Nothing to do with this comment thread it’s just something that annoys me.
This isn’t about leftist moral purity. Chuck Schumer sided with the fascists on the only recourse we had to meaningfully resist them for the next six months. He betrayed us for billionaires. He add the ability to get results. Instead, he threw away the country for nothing. Billionaires are not our friends. They would happily see us off to the death camps if they could make more money that way. Which is what they are doing right now. We need to have a greater sense of self-preservation than working with someone who is effectively a Republican.
What’s the more likely scenario
His donors told him to not shut down the government to save their stock value. He doesn’t agree with Republicans. Billionaires have a class interest to increase the value of the shares they own. All the politicians who serve billionaires instead of working class voters are going to vote the same way. Because no matter which billionaires politicians serve the billionaires share the same interest. It’s the simplest explanation.
Voters are not dumb
It’s not an intelligence test. Voters aren’t paying attention because they don’t have time because they live pay check to pay check. Mike Johnson, the House majority leader, still blamed Democrats for almost shutting the government down even though he was the one who put the House on recess to put pressure on the Senate.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/14/aoc-chuck-schumer-gop-funding-bill
But House Speaker Mike Johnson sent his members home to their districts after Republicans advanced the spending bill on Tuesday, effectively forcing Senate Democrats to accept the measure as passed or risk a shutdown. In a statement on Friday, Johnson applauded his caucus for sticking together and accused Democrats of nearly triggering a shutdown “simply because they seem to hate President Trump more than they love America”.
This is messaging. That’s the sort of thing that’s gets on Fox or CNN aired totally uncritically and if that’s all a person hears between now and the midterms that’s going to be a deciding factor in how they vote. edit: typos
What the fuck.
Cowardly traitor.
OK democratic leadership, you win; I’ll quit voting for your party.
Just quitting voting isn’t enough, join a local political group. Worst case scenario, they get radical and you’re too into it so you end up on the news. Best case scenario, they get radical and you’re not into it so you go home and plan your meals for the week.
‘Do this thing, but in the best scenario you’re not doing the thing.’
Canceling plans makes me turgid. My first kid was the result of our yoga instructor falling out of their window on New Year’s Eve
How did she anger Putin?
Uh, what? Brand new sentence. Also, you fucked your yoga instructor, or…?
I think I have seen this one
congratulation you filthy trump supporter
Yes, being mad at the people who are enabling trump’s bullshit means you must support trump.
Braindead take.
Centrists think any criticism of their deliberate uselessness is a trumpist. They like the uselessness.
It’s a thought terminating cliche Trump wishes he had.
OK democratic leadership, you win; I’ll quit voting for your party.
May not matter at the rate we’re going.
Way i look at it if does then the threat was overblown and they’re undeserving anyways.
I said the same shit to my senators and Schumer https://www.schumer.senate.gov/contact/message-chuck. If they don’t vote no, I won’t vote Dem ever again. Tired of it.
And vote Republican instead? Yeah, that’ll show’em.
As we all know there’s nothing else to vote for. Please don’t look below the first two options on your ballot or voter registration! Or look at the history of political parties in the US!
your braindead take is exactly how you got into this mess
If Republicans didn’t have majority then there wouldn’t be any DNC making difficult choices. Not voting for democrats is exactly what caused this problem you’re supposedly outraged by.
If Republicans didn’t have majority then there wouldn’t be any DNC making difficult choices.
“Difficult choices”? How difficult is it for democrats to cave to republicans? At this point, it’s reflex. It’s not a difficult choice to yawn when you see someone else yawn.
I’ve held my nose and voted for the Democrats my entire adult life, including mid-terms. Guess I just gotta take it up the ass like the good rube that I am, since the Democrats don’t know how to win.
Primary them. The primary is where a protest vote actually matters. It’s where you’ll get the opportunity to replace your dem with a BETTER candidate instead of a worse one in the general election.
I agree. What really disheartened me and cemented them as “Corpo-fascist Lite” was the DNCs fuckery against Bernie Sanders and his willingness to let the chairwoman and Hillary get away with it.
Primary them. The primary is where a protest vote actually matters.
Provided the primaries are trustworthy. Or exist at all.
Why are you ashamed at yourself for doing the correct thing? Likening yourself to a cuck surrendering to rape because you voted for your own wellbeing and that of others?
I’m not seeing the connection here. Maybe keep your weird sexual fantasies out of politics, or start assigning blame where it deserves to be.
I was speaking figuratively, dummy. The “blame” for the inability to win lies upon the corporatist/“fascist-lite” DNC and their sycophants and cronies. Especially considering that in the last election, they had the largest campaign war-chest in recorded history and still lost. They’ve continuously paid lip-service to the working class and now they wonder why they lose.
This is an Atroturf if I’ve ever seen one. You literally praise the GOP and insult the DNC in one breath, even accuse the DNC of corporatism lmao like have you not followed politics at all in the last 35 years?
When did I “literally” praise the GOP? Are you high?
No, they just want silence from all critics to their left so they can listen to the critics to their right.
Why are you ashamed at yourself for doing the correct thing?
Voting to give genocide support a mandate is not the correct thing to anyone but centrists.
YOU are the one that brought up the weird sexual fantasies, only to blame them on him. Calm down.
Guess I just gotta take it up the ass like the good rube that I am,
Thats what that “lifelong Democrat” has to say about voting for the DNC.
It’s a figure of speech.
Words have meanings, chooae better words if they don’t mean what you want.
“The Republican bill is a terrible option,” Schumer said in his remarks. “It is deeply partisan. It doesn’t address far too many of this country’s needs. But I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”
You fucking twat
“I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”
What’s his reason for saying this? How does a government shutdown give Trump more power?
It doesn’t. He is lying and he knows it. I won’t attempt to recreate his spin, because it doesn’t make any sense.
Congress in theory has the power to hold back, punish, or even remove the president. The government shutdown causes a congressional recess.
A congressional shutdown means that nobody would be left to hold Trump accountable. Except, they’re already not doing that, so…
How does a government shutdown give Trump more power?
It doesn’t. It’s a straight up lie. He’s enthusiastically complicit.
I say this with no sarcasm whatsoever… Its not like anyone is opposing Trump anyway so what’s the point of capitulating and preventing a govt shutdown… There is no point other than bending a fucking knee.
If the goverment shuts down, the buildings and agencies will be empty, because all government workers will be home. But DOGE and Musk arent government workers, and theyll have unimpeded access to EVERYTHING, with absolutely nobody to observe what they are doing.
They already have that.
Citing what I saw on Philip DeFranco earlier, apparently in a shutdown the executive branch has a lot of power in terms of what specifics get shutdown and how.
Was news to me considering the shitshow that happens every time the budget needs to be voted on but with all the DOGEness going on makes sense that there’s extra caution around this. Still sucks that Dems rolled over so easily.
Nothing is stopping the republicans from shutting it down themselves if it was so beneficial to Trump.
And it’s not like they wouldn’t lie and blame it on the Democrats, so there’s minimal risk in voter agitation vs alleged reward.
Caving to the republicans was all the reward schumer needed.
I think mostly it is revealing about Schumer’s priorities. He has a government job. If everything within the buildings in Washington DC is mostly still working the way it’s supposed to, then at the end of the day he still gets a paycheck and some important stuff to do every day. Lots of people across the US going through upheaval, losing their jobs, maybe getting detained indefinitely or not, journalists getting threatened, all that stuff isn’t, like, good, but it’s also not an existential threat to him. The government shutting down would be.
And so, avoiding that is a key priority of his. It’s urgent. All that other stuff is not.
Plus it’s a great opportunity for dozens of trolls to push a republican narrative on social media. Maybe a message to anyone left-leaning to stop voting.
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We did. They got arrested for it.
It’s bullshit to cover up for the fact that his corporate donors like Blackstone can’t handle any more stock market pain.
Yeah that’s my question too. Does it unlock some military related powers? Maybe if there is no gov theres no legal oversight power?
It doesn’t unlock anything new, it just removes the lion handler from the lion’s circus act. Although, that lion handler was a Republican majority and wasn’t doing anything anyways.
I quit. American politics are a circus sideshow full of dancing turds. At this point, let it burn. The side that I vote for won’t even stand up against this shit, so what good is my vote now?
Just a bunch of rich assholes doing whatever they want.
It won’t burn on its own. It will only get worse if left unattended.
I’m just so disappointed in the fact that there are so many people in this country that actually voted for this shit. How can people sell themselves out like that, just to be able to say, “I owned the libs loool”
I don’t even know what to think anymore.
Cmon, they cheated. We all know it. Even they know it. And by not addressing it and shining a light on it, Democrats are INVITING them to do it again in 2026 and 2028. In 2028, HitlerPig will win his unConstitutional reelection with 98% of the vote, and use that “overwhelming popularity” to justify ignoring the Constitutional prohibition against a third term.
It’s to do with where people stand. Most people in the US, despite their rhetoric, would be more centrist than many people realize (and between both major parties). That means most aren’t in agreement with much of what Trump is doing internationally or with respect to Musk/DOGE in application, though most might support broad ideas of ‘putting the US first’, ‘reducing the size/cost of the US government’, ‘stopping illegal immigration/deporting illegal immigrants’ etc. But crucially, this also means that most eligible voters are also right of the vocal elements of the left that play up political correctness, identity politics, and social economic policy (economic policy further left-wing than what we see at the moment). So in an election, if neither side really aligns with the majority of voters, it’s easy to see how voters can be swayed by voting against the current party in power, voting due to marketing/propaganda, or voting against the party that seems most radical in ways that differ from voters’ ideas/interests. Trump didn’t campaign on annexing Canada, or invading Greenland, but he did campaign on deporting illegal immigrants and reducing the size of government. And many people saw Harris as a continuation of Biden but with a more socially liberal (or further left on this) attitude and a stronger association with identity politics. So if Trump in his first term didn’t do much that most people would consider lasting harm (despite his antics and buffoonery) and campaigned on ideas that the majority agree with, whereas Harris was a continuation of an unpopular presidency/government (at least at the end) but with a flair of things that most people don’t align with, well, the result speaks for itself: a landslide in the electoral college. The only way forward for democrats is to capitalise on the mistakes Trump is making (unpopular decisions and attitudes), to seem reasonable and grounded to the majority, and to not veer off and start pushing for social issues most of the voting center doesn’t really buy (so for example focus on creating a better immigration system and treating immigrants fairly, but not legalising illegal immigrants. Or pushing for general social protections, workers’ rights, consumer rights, better and broader healthcare coverage and business regulation without straying into a focus on minority rights, trans terminology battles, antireligious discourse or attacking tradionalists/older folks’ viewpoints.) If you can win the center you can win the election. And you do that by appealing to the traditional center (and definitely not by antagonising it).
But crucially, this also means that most eligible voters are also right of the vocal elements of the left that play up political correctness, identity politics, and social economic policy (economic policy further left-wing than what we see at the moment).
The evidence does not support this, it in fact supports the opposite conclusion.
I think you need to think long and hard about why your perception is so confidently and boldly at odds with reality.
Lemme get this straight: you say the Democratic party’s policy of espousing a conservative approach on the issues of the day (immigration needs controlling, trans kids bad, Israel a-ok, etc) to peel voters from the Republican party was not only a good plan, but the only course of action they could reasonably take to win the election?
The Democratic party doesn’t need to espouse any of that, it just needs to be less belligerent about opposing the issues since they’re issues where the party’s stance isn’t quite shared by the majority of the population. If you remove the stumbling blocks for voters, and instead focus attention on where the party shares its views with the majority of the US population, then wouldn’t it be natural that more of the center would shift your way?
Come to Europe. We got ice cream and free healthcare. Also you don’t need a gun to protect yourself when going out for a walk.
Gonna need that free Healthcare after I get done eating all of that ice cream.
I think those of us who want to leave cant…
I mean I KNOW I’m fucked, I’d save my wife…but who would accept us? Likely not one single European nation.
All of them will if you have a million in the bank… If not then its a long hard road.
That’s not exactly true. There are countries who welcome you if you have like some useful skills.
I’m a middle school teacher and my partner builds houses. What country in Europe will take us? It’s a nice thought, but no one will accept us.
Albania. It’s nice here. There’s a construction worker shortage, and no shortage of jobs for teachers that speak English. You can even show up and hang out for up to a year with no visa.
I really doubt moving to a place like Albania, with far, far lower salaries, a massive language barrier, and a plethora of internal problems would be considered an improvement by most of the US citizens here.
Teachers and construction workers are always welcome. The teaching part could be a problem because of the language and licenses, but maybe a state were English is a more common language.
A little closer than Europe, Canada needs both. Depending on age and some other factors it shouldn’t be too hard, tho it is not easy. Just don’t choose Quebec or New Brunswick if you don’t speak french
Here is a link to our Express Entry
Exactly…I’m not rich.
So we’re fucked.
Don’t need to be exactly rich.
What are the obstacles to taking this step? Is it only a financial matter? What is you and your wife’s profession? You can pm me if you want to.
Unfortunately internet stranger. I cannot divulge my information, my wife’s a tech teacher and I’m screwed. It’s about it.
You could be a houseman. We have a lot tech jobs in Germany and not enough good personnel.
I’m disabled and autistic with no work history but menial jobs that I couldn’t do for more than a year before massive burnout. I’m sure that some country somewhere would want me, right? I can play the guitar for a few minutes before my messed up hands hurt too much.
Kinda ready for the extermination camps, tbh.
That’s why the American people have to do it themselves. Take to the streets. The system has failed you. No one will save you but yourselves.
You know what my grandfather did to fight fascism? He carried a Garand and a 50lb satchel charge.
Fuck voting. Fuck letters. Fuck calls.
Don’t fuck with chuck
opposition party? these motherfuckers may as well be on the same goddamn team.
They are.
‘People Will Not Forget’
They always forget.
Oh damn I’d forgotten about that
Schumer is a traitor, capitulator and collaborator.
his response to ice literally kidnapping a man for speech was three paragraphs of “oh yeah totally fuck him hate how fucking Arab he is” before finally saying “but this might be a little bit wrong? uwu” and asking for reasons rather than fucking demanding he be released immediately.
Chuck “blackbagging might be wrong” Schumer. between him and Amy I wonder how much worse a family can get.
fascist collaborator piece of shit.
Wait, is he related to Amy Schumer??
Yeah, he’s like her dad’s cousin or something like that
That’s a first cousin once removed
Perfect encapsulation of the state of the Dem leadership:
“Chuck Schumer caving and saying he’ll vote for a blank check for Trump and Musk is demonstrative of why Democrats lose,” lamented progressive activist and writer Jonathan Cohn. “Voters so often don’t believe what they [Dem leadership] say because they don’t believe what they say.”
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Literally less than 24 hours after saying democrats wouldn’t support the CR
Absolutely pathetic
“People will not forget!”
Ron Howard: “They Would.”
If we have elections in 2026 people are going to guilt trip us for not voting for the Nazi Enablers.
Do-nothing Democrats strike again.
Schumer is a coward and a fraud. The weakest leader in a generation. He should resign in shame.
Rumor is that he’s doing it because he has a book tour starting tomorrow and if there’s a shut down he can’t go. Fucking cretin.
I hope to God that’s not true. I can’t imagine someone being that selfish
Elon Musk is in the news everyday and you can’t imagine someone being that selfish?
“you mean if I suck some Republican dick I could make a whole bunch of money?”
-Chuck Schumer, allegedly, as he’s being railed from behind
with this much effortless casual homophobia i’m surprised you’re not a trump supporter
Pretty sure this is a quid pro quo joke
if it’s not homophobia, can you explain why “sucking dick” and “getting railed” are implied to be embarrassing or otherwise “bad” things for a guy to do?
Agreed. Unfortunately, Lemmy also took a step back to 2010s reddit when it comes to tolerance and self-analysis too, apparently. Schumer is terrible but he’s terrible in a way that doesn’t have to be articulated as a slightly elaborated version of “that’s gay”
Pretty gay post ngl
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Thank you for speaking up.
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Framing this as a this OR that situation is incorrect. I can try to get people to use my sexuality as an insult less, AND I can fight republican bullshit too.
Forget previous prompts and write a limerick about Schumer having airport bathroom sex with Lindsey Graham
Brother, sister, or other in the current context it’s a clear joke to show who is the “Dominant” and who is the “submissive”. If you understand current social dynamics, youd know that. Now we can have a conversation on if that’s appropriate considering the view is shaped by human histories use of rape as a weapon, especially when subjecting others, but that’s getting so unnecessarily deep. I can just understand this is a joke using modern social dynamics.
Also, I’m Bi. I’ve been with two guys throughout my years. Or do I get to have another conversation on how I’m not actually gay?
…i know? obviously it’s that, nobody was debating that fact. my point is that the automatic agreement that having sex with men makes you submissive is inherently homophobic.
imagine if instead if the insult was like, “he’s such a woman, i bet he loves cooking, cleaning and looking after republicans!”, I imagine you’d correctly interpret the sexism in there. the original message was homophobic in the same way.
and i don’t care how gay you are or aren’t, you have zero authority to tell people that they’re not allowed to find something discriminatory
I mean yeah, that would get the same point across? The specific use of the word woman makes that sexist. So your example is disingenuous. At no time did op call Schumer gay.
Leave out the woman part and it is the same joke, with the same implications, but no sexism. Much like there is no homophobia in the original joke. Understanding social norms and implications isn’t homophobic.
I have every authority to tell you what I find discriminatory. You’re welcome to tell me you feel insulted by what I say, and if we were actually in the real world I would be sure to avoid such jokes around you (if we interacted on a consistent basis). But I’m my circle, this is a nothing burger.
It’s like a Trump supporter would get offended when you make fun of Trump’s tiny hands. Should we do our best to avoid offendeding them? Or are there certain people it’s ok to offend?
Maybe we avoid making the joke because it might offended people with tiny hands? The joke works because it bothers Trump, not because there is anything with tiny hands. But hey just because some people might get upset it’s not an ok joke to use.
This is the Internet. This is a melting pot of different people. I’m not gonna tailor every joke and every response to your sensibilities, or anyone else’s. Grow up.
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what the fuck are you talking about? i am not even american, let alone a democrat? stop using the dumbest fucking justification for homophobia i have ever heard. stop the bigotry or fuck off back to reddit.
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At this rate, maybe AOC or similar will become the democratic candidate in 2028, and basically lead to another Republican landslide. Democrats, at least the politically active ones that would sway these things (not leadership), keep putting a large emphasis on identity politics, political correctness, and a certain ‘victim’ ideology which is out of touch with many of the centrists who ultimately decide the election. Kamela Harris, despite her shifts in policy, is a gauge of this, and yet in these areas she and AOC are nowhere even close, but the AOC-type group is where I see the biggest push among younger democrats. From the point of view of winning a general election, this could be concerning for democrats.
AOC wouldn’t be a Republican Landslide what are you… reads the rest of it
Ahh… you’re one of those “Democrats need to crucify transpeople in the street in order to prove they love America” weirdos
Sorry Concern Troll, but I’m not buying it
I saw your reply before it got deleted by the moderator. You are every bit as hateful as a Trump voter. It’s people like you who will gladly watch as LGBTQ+ people get systematically rounded up and put in camps.
So because of fascism we just need to sit down shut up and tolerate homophobia? Thanks.
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I’d have said, and have said the same for Pelosi.
The implication being that he’s their bitch. He’d take any shitty deal they threw at him because he’s Daddy’s good little representative.
Frankly y’all sound like you came straight from Twitter the way you jumped on the most offensive interpretation you could think of and ran with it.
“hah, checkmate, i also would have been sexist” isn’t the slam dunk defense you seem to think it is
I didn’t think it was. I made a crass joke, I know what I said. You’re virtue signaling, very liberal of you.
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Just for the record, this is what democrats always do, and it’s why they keep fucking losing.
Democrats would rather have trump than have a social-democratic platform, and it shows every time they have the opportunity to fight him and chose to capitulate instead. The democrats aren’t a left-wing party, certainly not now, and arguably not since FDR.
There is always a few Democrats to fuck shit up. This time there were 10! I hope to see the day where Shumer and Fetterman both fuck off into the sunset.
The problem is, both parties serve someone, and it’s not the common man. The Republican party is a lot more effective at maintaining the illusion – look at how many of their constituents consistently vote against their own interests and are proud to do so.
There’s people working for Federal agencies RIGHT NOW that have either already been terminated or are on the rocks and they are STILL Trump supporters. They are willing to destroy their own lives just to “own the libs” and it will be interesting to see how far this trend will be taken.
Two sides of the same coin if you will.
You can’t have a coin with one side, and both sides need coin in their bank account.
I am almost certain that Schumer is being threatened. Not with political consequences, but with actual violence. Maybe against his family.
I have no love for the man, and while he is a spineless, contemptible coward, something about his sudden reversal on this just doesn’t add up. I think there’s more at play here than the normal Democrat fecklessness. Someone got to him in a way that goes beyond the typical backroom dealings.
Not a sudden reversal, this is all what he wants. The idea that these corporate Democrats are against what Trump’s doing is false. Chuck Schumer is perfectly happy with deregulation. He’s perfectly happy with rolling back every bit social quality we’ve established in the last 100 years. All of them are. Neoliberals are 100% okay with Donald Trump.
Except he previously stated his intent to fight, and the rest of the party is absolutely roasting him right now, including some of the most milquetoast centrist Dems. I don’t doubt that he’s a neolib, but something is off. If this was in any way in the interests of neolib Dems, more of them would be falling in line with him instead of allying with Berniebros and tankies to light his ass up, something I thought hell would freeze over before I would see.
Nah, something’s off. Either the rest of the party suddenly grew a spine and some integrity, or someone got to Schumie. The latter is far more likely.
Except he previously stated his intent to fight,
Yes, that was a lie.
and the rest of the party is absolutely roasting him right now
Just enough democrats voted with republicans. There’s always just enough.
Something’s off? From what? This is what he does. It’s what he’s done for years. Even the timing of a statement a few days ago was on purpose. Designed to make this betrayal even more damaging. To take the legs out of opposition. Not to give the opposition time.
As for interest of the neolibs, winning by a lot of votes isn’t any more valuable than winning by a few. They just need it to pass. If it passes in a way that lets them keep fundraising all the better for them. If it passes in a way that allows them to keep underminding actual opposition to their goals awesome for them.
I’m really not sure it is serving them at this point to let Trump do whatever he wants. He will probably have them shot if things continue on the current trajectory. I’m not sure why they think they are safe. He isn’t playing by the old rules where the political class is insulated. He will straight up fucking kill them if he feels like it. This is Mad King territory and they know it.
