it’s like you believe you can tariff them expecting they won’t do the same. Why do you believe the rest of the world is not going to retaliate and why do you believe America can prosper without the rest of the world?

What’s the point of having a military alliance with countries you puts tariffs on? That’s unfriendly to say the least.

  • FooBarrington@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    The answer is disappointingly simple: emotional satisfaction.

    For decades, these people have been told that they are incredibly generous towards their allies, and that they get nothing in return. That their allies are abusing their relationships. Of course this is false, but they’ve been told so every day.

    Now they get to abuse their “abusers” right back.

    • LuckyPierre@lemm.eeEnglish
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      4 months ago

      Sadly true. We actively searched for alternatives when we realised other channels were getting too manipulative and full of hate. Those who stayed haven’t even realised it.

    • Pumpkin Escobar@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      4 months ago

      OP’s also not going to get an answer that’s interesting or helpful out of them even if you go to where they live and ask and don’t get immediately flamed for asking.

      There’s no acceptable answer for it. I have plenty of conservative friends and I could make sense of voting for Trump the first time. Not for me, FUCK that, but not all Trump v1 supporters were racists and there were valid conservative reasons to vote for him. He was definitely an unknown, nobody could have told you with certainty how he would act once in office. I could have told you what I expected and it was about as horrible as I expected, but people often see things in politicians that they want to see, rather than seeing what’s really there.

      But any of the “OK to vote for Trump v1” falls apart completely for Trump v2. We saw what his first term was like and especially how it ended. His campaign in 2024 was even more unhinged and less grounded in reality than in 2016. Voting for him in 2024 is really inexcusable.

      The US will be unimaginably worse off by the time Trump leaves office this time, tariffs and tax cuts for the rich and inflation, it’s going to be bad for Americans on an individual level. On a global level, Trump will have shredded alliances and any goodwill we had built up over the past decades, while also validating and confirming the world’s worst concerns about us.

      And when Trump does finally leave office, the people you want to hear from will largely feel like it was a phenomenal presidency. It is a cult and logic and reason don’t have anything to do with it.

      • folkrav@lemmy.ca
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        4 months ago

        I’d love to believe this, but cynical me is thinking about those conservatives that look at Milei in Argentina and legitimately think it’s going great.

      • remotelove@lemmy.ca
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        4 months ago

        I have my doubts about that. Most of the mass posters are too “conservative” and lean extremely hard into stereotypes. They take racism and bigotry just a bit too far in many cases and it doesn’t quite align with actual conservative bigots and racists that I know.

        It wouldn’t be surprising if most of the “conservative” communities are part of the same troll farm that lives primarily on other instances.

        This is all speculation, of course. But, organized campaigns to spread discourse on social media are real and some of these trolls are really good at what they do.

  • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    So that when the oligarchs assume full unchecked control of the US, no one will lift a finger to help the rest of us.

  • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    They don’t care about cooperation, everything is a deal to them. If some other country has something, we don’t. The entire worldview of Republicans is just capitalism, if something can’t be framed in terms of profit it’s not worth pursuing.

    They’re fucking Ferengis

  • esc27@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Simple bully logic. If you are bigger than someone else, simply hit and threatening them to get whatever you want. Works really well until all the victims gang up and fight back together.

  • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    I don’t even think the majority of American conservatives are on board with most of what’s happening. Some are, but they’re especially stupid and usually ideologically oriented to Trump rather than to the traditional brand of US conservatism.

    • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      4 months ago

      they’re especially stupid

      You know, I always try to avoid thinking that people with different opinions to mine are “stupid”, but it’s getting more and more difficult to credit republicans with being reasonable.

    • meyotch@slrpnk.net
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      4 months ago

      The traditional conservatives are suspiciously quiet right now, so I count them as fully complicit.

      • letsgo@lemm.eeEnglish
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        4 months ago

        To be fair to them though, they did just get comprehensively voted out from everywhere. They don’t have a single majority to make any difference to anything. If I were them I’d be sitting back with a large bowl of popcorn going “yal’l voted for this, or at least didn’t vote against it, hope you enjoy getting the full force of this orange idiot right in the face”. But from the headlines I’ve read it would appear they’ve had a few things to say about Fart’s latest hot smelly air.

        • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          4 months ago

          They’d still rather stay silent than break with Trump and ally with leftists. To be really fair, they deserve no fucking credit whatsoever.

        • meyotch@slrpnk.net
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          4 months ago

          That is factually untrue. They did not get voted out everywhere and it is somewhat silly to say so.

          House: R- 218, D- 215 Senate: R- 53, D- 47

          That is what I call a fair fight.

          Your position is indefensible.

          • letsgo@lemm.eeEnglish
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            4 months ago

            I did a bit of maths at school and I know 218>215, and 53>47.

            That is what I call a minority in both places. If all D get together and say “no”, and all R get together and say “yes”, then where a simple majority is required it’ll be an R victory. Any D victory will need some Rs to either swing (and likely get fired), or abstain. Of course if a 2/3 majority is needed for something then R will need some D support to get it through.

  • Majorllama@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Echo chamber problems lol.

    Y’all have banned or bullied every single Republican or conservative person off this website.

    You can’t talk to people who aren’t here.

    • kat@orbi.camp
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      4 months ago

      Aren’t you a conservative? Are you banned? Is this real?

      • Majorllama@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago
        1. Not a conservative.
        2. I am currently banned from like 30 different subs and like 10 of them I don’t think I even interacted with whatsoever.
        3. Is anything real? Won’t know till we die.
            • FiremanEdsRevenge@lemmy.world
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              4 months ago

              Y’all have banned or bullied every single Republican or conservative person off this website.

              On this dumbass claim of yours. Or are you admitting that it’s complete bullshit now and then?

              • Majorllama@lemmy.world
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                4 months ago

                How the fuck would I ever be able to prove that with any hard data? Use your fucking head you dolt.

                You can see the takeover of the main “conservative” sub being turned into a place to mock conservatives. The repeated comments from many users across all the subs that they are straight up not welcome here.

                Like unless you got some magical way to see every active user and their political ideology idk how the hell you expect me to prove anything like that with a verifiably source of any kind.

                If you really don’t think this website bans or bullies conservatives off of it ask yourself how many conservatives to you see around here? Even in their own conservative subs they are constantly down voted into oblivion. They only have a handful of active users at any given time and even in my short time on Lemmy I have seen several people that posted there stop accessing the site altogether.

                I stand by my original claim that y’all (the far left majority) of Lemmy have bullied or banned all of them off the site. I’m not even conservative and I’ve been banned from many subs and been told to fuck off in various ways since the day I made my account. A few people have even told me to kill myself in creative and beautiful ways.

                No love for differing opinions on this website.

              • rockstarmode@lemmy.world
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                4 months ago

                All you have to do is look at what happened to the conservative community. There was a post asking whether it was meant for trolling conservatives or for actual discussion, and the resounding answer was that no conversation was possible with conservatives or anyone who holds right of center views.

                There were a few lemmings who posted in support of allowing conservatives to have a place to chime in, and they were downvoted into oblivion.

                That’s being bullied off of Lemmy, which is fine, communities are self organized and managed, and chasing away wrongthink is apparently what the vast majority of this platform wants.

                Again, all of that is fine, but we shouldn’t pretend chasing those people off wasn’t the intended outcome, or that this isn’t an echo chamber.

                • Majorllama@lemmy.world
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                  4 months ago

                  I appreciate you reiterating my point much better than I was going to.

                  Very weird how some people are in denial about Lemmy and it’s treatment of users that don’t align politically with the majority.

    • Lightor@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      Well if none of them can have an adult conversation that happens. I’ve “debated” with them on here and it devolved into Twitter. Insults, grand claims with no evidence. Yes, we’ve created an echo chamber where you have to actually prove what you say, and they couldn’t survive. I’m ok with that.

  • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    That’s easy. Constitutionally, you can’t be President longer than 2 terms. Wartime emergency powers can stop elections, cementing power permanently.

    • CaptDust@sh.itjust.works
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      4 months ago

      In the United States war and martial law does not stop the election cycle. There is zero precedent to support this, even Roosevelt had to campaign during WW2. In fact, the constitution is quite clear on the opposite - it perscribes elections must be held, offering no mechanisms for deferment.

  • don@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    Is this question rhetorical? The people you’re addressing this question to aren’t on Lemmy. Try Fox News, lies social, or wherever other sewers the maggots live in.