it’s like you believe you can tariff them expecting they won’t do the same. Why do you believe the rest of the world is not going to retaliate and why do you believe America can prosper without the rest of the world?
What’s the point of having a military alliance with countries you puts tariffs on? That’s unfriendly to say the least.
Its simple, russian wants them to and they must do what putin says or else.
Its not really that complicated. It’s simply trason.
You won’t get logical answers to this because there isn’t one. Maybe they’re just that dumb. Maybe they just want to tank the economy a bit so the rich and gobble up more during the dip. Maybe they just actually live Russia. Maybe they’re being secretly black mailed by Russia.
I do think it’s a Russia thing. Putin getting America to alienate all of its closest allies, so that it’s only Russia left to aid.
I think y’all are overthinking it, giving them too much credit for having a plan. For Trump it’s just narcissism and bullying. Everyone else is a grifter seeing their chance. Musk must have just read Ayn Rand
Good luck finding many of them around here. They find out pretty quickly that they aren’t welcome.
The people you need to hear from aren’t using Lemmy.
Conservative on sh.itjust.works appears to be conservatives.
I have my doubts about that. Most of the mass posters are too “conservative” and lean extremely hard into stereotypes. They take racism and bigotry just a bit too far in many cases and it doesn’t quite align with actual conservative bigots and racists that I know.
It wouldn’t be surprising if most of the “conservative” communities are part of the same troll farm that lives primarily on other instances.
This is all speculation, of course. But, organized campaigns to spread discourse on social media are real and some of these trolls are really good at what they do.
Nahh, they were pretty conservativy when I tried to interact with them.
OP should try Truth Social, I hear it’s technically a Mastodon fork…
Whoa!!!
Ew.
I mean, yeah, but it’s where they would actually find conservatives…
…ew.
“”“conservatives”“”. Sometimes I think the DNC is the last place to find actual conservatives these days.
Yeah.
- consolidated health spending for single-payer services with far less admin slop? Conservative.
- taxing like it’s 1945 to build and maintain infrastructure? Conservative.
- reliable and varies power source? Conservative.
I dunno what these guys are on about.
the DNC is the last place to find actual conservatives these days.
There is a good reason for this. Money to win elections comes from CONSERVATIVE corporations and populism isn’t on their wish list.
It’s mastodon? I thought it was a different fediverse platform.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/trumps-social-media-site-quietly-admits-its-based-on-mastodon
Trump’s Social Media Site Quietly Admits It’s Based on Mastodon
Mastodon had originally threatened to sue Trump’s ‘Truth Social’ site for allegedly violating its open-source license.
Gotta love the grift - how much did they sink on this thing? And then they just stole an open source project and tried to hide it.
What’s next, TrumpOS? Reskinned Ubuntu with wallpapers and icons for $300?
Actually - anyone want to join my OS dev team?
holy shit!
Oh so it was X before Twitter. Lmao
Can you imagine them federaring their content? What a stream of odd toots that would be!
OP’s also not going to get an answer that’s interesting or helpful out of them even if you go to where they live and ask and don’t get immediately flamed for asking.
There’s no acceptable answer for it. I have plenty of conservative friends and I could make sense of voting for Trump the first time. Not for me, FUCK that, but not all Trump v1 supporters were racists and there were valid conservative reasons to vote for him. He was definitely an unknown, nobody could have told you with certainty how he would act once in office. I could have told you what I expected and it was about as horrible as I expected, but people often see things in politicians that they want to see, rather than seeing what’s really there.
But any of the “OK to vote for Trump v1” falls apart completely for Trump v2. We saw what his first term was like and especially how it ended. His campaign in 2024 was even more unhinged and less grounded in reality than in 2016. Voting for him in 2024 is really inexcusable.
The US will be unimaginably worse off by the time Trump leaves office this time, tariffs and tax cuts for the rich and inflation, it’s going to be bad for Americans on an individual level. On a global level, Trump will have shredded alliances and any goodwill we had built up over the past decades, while also validating and confirming the world’s worst concerns about us.
And when Trump does finally leave office, the people you want to hear from will largely feel like it was a phenomenal presidency. It is a cult and logic and reason don’t have anything to do with it.
I’d love to believe this, but cynical me is thinking about those conservatives that look at Milei in Argentina and legitimately think it’s going great.
Sadly true. We actively searched for alternatives when we realised other channels were getting too manipulative and full of hate. Those who stayed haven’t even realised it.
Some of them are, you just have to scroll way way way down
So that when the oligarchs assume full unchecked control of the US, no one will lift a finger to help the rest of us.
You’re speaking in the wrong verb tense there, buddy.
To create the enemy without.
They don’t care about cooperation, everything is a deal to them. If some other country has something, we don’t. The entire worldview of Republicans is just capitalism, if something can’t be framed in terms of profit it’s not worth pursuing.
They’re fucking Ferengis
Ferengis were meant to be a caricature of our current society, so yes, Ferengi fits.
Don’t insult Ferengis. They’re actually smart.
And comply with contracts
They’ve been whitewashed over time as ST gets farther from the left. The OG ferengi would only have complied with a contract if they thought they’d get caught breaking it, which is honestly a more accurate satire.
Rule of Acquisition #17: A contract is a contract is a contract… but only between Ferengi.
Sounds like you’ve got the lobes for business.
Simple bully logic. If you are bigger than someone else, simply hit and threatening them to get whatever you want. Works really well until all the victims gang up and fight back together.
I don’t even think the majority of American conservatives are on board with most of what’s happening. Some are, but they’re especially stupid and usually ideologically oriented to Trump rather than to the traditional brand of US conservatism.
The traditional conservatives are suspiciously quiet right now, so I count them as fully complicit.
To be fair to them though, they did just get comprehensively voted out from everywhere. They don’t have a single majority to make any difference to anything. If I were them I’d be sitting back with a large bowl of popcorn going “yal’l voted for this, or at least didn’t vote against it, hope you enjoy getting the full force of this orange idiot right in the face”. But from the headlines I’ve read it would appear they’ve had a few things to say about Fart’s latest hot smelly air.
That is factually untrue. They did not get voted out everywhere and it is somewhat silly to say so.
House: R- 218, D- 215 Senate: R- 53, D- 47
That is what I call a fair fight.
Your position is indefensible.
I did a bit of maths at school and I know 218>215, and 53>47.
That is what I call a minority in both places. If all D get together and say “no”, and all R get together and say “yes”, then where a simple majority is required it’ll be an R victory. Any D victory will need some Rs to either swing (and likely get fired), or abstain. Of course if a 2/3 majority is needed for something then R will need some D support to get it through.
They’d still rather stay silent than break with Trump and ally with leftists. To be really fair, they deserve no fucking credit whatsoever.
they’re especially stupid
You know, I always try to avoid thinking that people with different opinions to mine are “stupid”, but it’s getting more and more difficult to credit republicans with being reasonable.
they have brain damage.
Our allies do!!?? /s
man this comment is, one of the comments of all time. I think.
No, the MAGATS
That’s… The joke…?
Echo chamber problems lol.
Y’all have banned or bullied every single Republican or conservative person off this website.
You can’t talk to people who aren’t here.
Well if none of them can have an adult conversation that happens. I’ve “debated” with them on here and it devolved into Twitter. Insults, grand claims with no evidence. Yes, we’ve created an echo chamber where you have to actually prove what you say, and they couldn’t survive. I’m ok with that.
Source on that claim? I’ve seen you claim that a bunch on here, and I have yet to see any of it being true.
Probably the downvotes on his comment are a liiiitttttllllllleeeee bit indicative
I just wanted him to say he’s full of shit which he ended up saying in a long, winded response.
Hold up! The truth matters again‽ I thought I’d never see the day.
Aren’t you a conservative? Are you banned? Is this real?
- Not a conservative.
- I am currently banned from like 30 different subs and like 10 of them I don’t think I even interacted with whatsoever.
- Is anything real? Won’t know till we die.
Still waiting on that source.
Fucking source for what?
Y’all have banned or bullied every single Republican or conservative person off this website.
On this dumbass claim of yours. Or are you admitting that it’s complete bullshit now and then?
How the fuck would I ever be able to prove that with any hard data? Use your fucking head you dolt.
You can see the takeover of the main “conservative” sub being turned into a place to mock conservatives. The repeated comments from many users across all the subs that they are straight up not welcome here.
Like unless you got some magical way to see every active user and their political ideology idk how the hell you expect me to prove anything like that with a verifiably source of any kind.
If you really don’t think this website bans or bullies conservatives off of it ask yourself how many conservatives to you see around here? Even in their own conservative subs they are constantly down voted into oblivion. They only have a handful of active users at any given time and even in my short time on Lemmy I have seen several people that posted there stop accessing the site altogether.
I stand by my original claim that y’all (the far left majority) of Lemmy have bullied or banned all of them off the site. I’m not even conservative and I’ve been banned from many subs and been told to fuck off in various ways since the day I made my account. A few people have even told me to kill myself in creative and beautiful ways.
No love for differing opinions on this website.
So you’re full of shit. Got it. Thanks.
All you have to do is look at what happened to the conservative community. There was a post asking whether it was meant for trolling conservatives or for actual discussion, and the resounding answer was that no conversation was possible with conservatives or anyone who holds right of center views.
There were a few lemmings who posted in support of allowing conservatives to have a place to chime in, and they were downvoted into oblivion.
That’s being bullied off of Lemmy, which is fine, communities are self organized and managed, and chasing away wrongthink is apparently what the vast majority of this platform wants.
Again, all of that is fine, but we shouldn’t pretend chasing those people off wasn’t the intended outcome, or that this isn’t an echo chamber.
I appreciate you reiterating my point much better than I was going to.
Very weird how some people are in denial about Lemmy and it’s treatment of users that don’t align politically with the majority.
That’s easy. Constitutionally, you can’t be President longer than 2 terms. Wartime emergency powers can stop elections, cementing power permanently.
In the United States war and martial law does not stop the election cycle. There is zero precedent to support this, even Roosevelt had to campaign during WW2. In fact, the constitution is quite clear on the opposite - it perscribes elections must be held, offering no mechanisms for deferment.
If precedent still mattered, that would be comforting.
Ditto for the Constitution
Is this question rhetorical? The people you’re addressing this question to aren’t on Lemmy. Try Fox News, lies social, or wherever other sewers the maggots live in.
There’s a good discussion on The Ezra Klein Show from March 1 The Dark Heart of Trump’s Foreign Policy [Apple Podcasts link]
I’m not on my phone right now, but you can search online through the https://antennapod.org/ site on your phone and it comes up right away.
I’m not a Republican, but I’ll bite.
The U.S. is kinda in a bad spot right now. Not just politically but economically as well. Our National Debt is the highest it’s ever been. While I’m 100% for taxing Billionaires and their Trillion dollars companies more, by like, a lot, the Billionaires of course don’t want that. So they’re trying to cut what they can and wheel and deal. Why support Climate Change (French EU thing, I don’t remember) acts when you can [pocket the money] use that to pay down debt? The War in Ukraine has unfortunately been drawn out too long for us to stay financially invested in it. Our allies across the sea won’t be able to help our country balance our debt when they have Ukraine to worry about as well. So they’ve decided to put pressure on every external source of revenue while cutting what they can without getting lynched.
Let’s talk about Canada and Mexico, but first, a bit of H I S T O R Y. Back in the 90s or 00s the Clinton Administration implemented NAFTA. The agreement sounded good on paper: Strength our border countries. Lifts us all up by giving all the countries jobs, more opportunity, more demand. While outsourcing our manual labor we can focus on the future: Technology! Hindsight is 20/20 though. Why not move our business to a country where we pay lower wages and will end up with higher profits for future investments (like yachts)? Why not get cheaper parts instead of paying the U.S. prices? A ton of manual labor jobs were lost, and many cities (car manufacturing cities, steel cities, etc.) simply never recovered. NAFTA stayed in place more or less until Trump Trumped it into the USMCA in 2020. That gets renegotiated in 2026 with all 3 countries either coming to an agreement or dissolving the agreement.
From all accounts, NAFTA certainly seemed harmful to the American industry at the time, but can that industry recover, and should it? Personally, I don’t think so, but they seem to think so. So, from my point of view, the reason they’re alienating allies is to extort them for money to help pay down the National Debt and hopefully grow back American industries lost over 2 decades ago.
You’ve really bought into the propaganda there, besides Clinton our national debt has always been the “highest” every year. The most important factor is foreign vs domestically held debt, and that ratio hasn’t changed for the worse.
Obviously we have some spending concerns, but financially that’s not the primary concern for the US right now (and we wouldn’t be talking tax cuts if it was).
Trump added a lot to the national debt. https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225
I recognize you’re doing some form or devils advocate and I appreciate that. I grew up in the ruins of one of those cities and it really helped define my political beliefs. I think it’s important to not suddenly frame NAFTA as this wonderful thing just because trump opposes it. There is a real reckoning we need to have as a country when it comes to rebuilding our industrial base. Are tariffs the answer? Almost certainly not, but that doesn’t mean that the people asking for them are completely delusional. Trump is capitalizing on a real pain that people are feeling, and have felt for a generation now. I wish we had a proper progressive to reframe the debate. It’s not about us vs Canada, it’s about the disgustingly wealthy vs everyone else. You don’t want people to support tariffs? Then we need real left wing populist arguments.
I know it’s stupid. Being right should be good enough. But it’s not. We need to be convincing. And not ‘republican lite’ convincing - more like teddy Roosevelt f’ing come at me unabashed progressivism convincing.
Yeah, I agree I don’t think NAFTA was a wholly wonderful thing - a lot of people lost their jobs, had families at the time, and really, it was poor planning to not realize that what happened happened. I think NAFTA had some good ideas and planning, like trying reduce carbon emissions and trying to ensure workers are being taken care of, but I think overall the transition from industry was fumbled.
I honestly have no idea if tariffs are the answer, but if they aren’t, it seems like people are going to start to realize the quality in life difference. And I mean, it could have a rubberband effect. History has shown that when conditions get bad, workers revolt, pretty much always. If the country is going to be run like a Corporation trying to recoup costs, what’s the percentage before it gets noticeable? Maybe, optimistically, at the end of all this, we can get money out of politics, corporate money specifically, funding transparency, stock? idk about that - stricter rules or something. Then we could actually focus on real things that matter without this weird age of commercial politics.
At the end of the day, I think people of all parties and backgrounds can come together on the idea/conversation to remove money from politics. Having our representation (vote/politician) able to be bought by some billionaire through backchannels (donations, crypto, favors) is simply not fair or in our best interests.
What about a good, strong third party? A green party or a working class party of some sort? It’s fully evident neither Reps nor Dems give a single fuck about the working class, they just pretend so they can use them while pocketing the money of the rich and stuffing their wallets. I feel like I’m not the only one who is 100% fed up with the bullshit of both parties and just want an actual party throwing the best candidates based on their policies and hosting proper primary elections so we can choose who tf speaks for us.
It’s 2025 ffs. I don’t care about the candidates’ fashion or their goddamn tours and rallies. You can get the word out there in any number of ways. Engage with your target audience. Your voterbase. Get one of the practically nonexistant parties to step up. I’m tired of dealing with a tug-o-war between two sides of the same goddamn coin. We need a party that will focus on keeping us rooted to the constitutional values and ensuring everyone has access to the rights of the basic human necessities of this century. Let the goddamn donkey and elephant Duke it out over policies neither of them really care about. Idgaf. I just want more goddamn options. Some real fucking options.
Republicans literally add to the debt everytime they’re elected.
Funny you think they’re going to actually pay down the debt.
They are not going to bring it down, Trump increased the debt a huuge amount. https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225
I know that’s why I thought it was funny! Got to find the humor in this mess right now. Hoping we can right the ship but right now Trump is steering us into an ice berg full speed ahead
I’m cautiously optimistic. They cut 22 Billion in Social Services. If things keep getting worse, regular people are going to start wondering where that money is going and the veil will be lifted.
Regular people are dumb af they elected that orange shit stain while he spit in our faces.
So I’m not really confident they’re gonna connect any dots.
American industry at the time, but can that industry recover, and should it? Personally, I don’t think so, but they seem to think so.
I would just say that not everyone is cut out for “advanced” jobs. There is a need for more industrial/mechanical jobs that those of us can occupy and still make a decent living.
I don’t mean that as a way to disparage other people, I’m referring to myself and people like me. I’m far too stupid for tech jobs.
The ‘‘aid’’ we send to Ukraine is the US goverment using US money to buy US products and have the military drop them off. Those millions we send to Ukraine is money we have and keep in our economy, why conservatives are so fucking stupid they can’t figure this out is infuriating. Yes. Saw off you legs to lose weight. You’ll lose SO much.
