Running a feckless campaign that refused to break with Biden’s admin on genocide is why we got this living hell. And running the most unlikeable woman in the country in 2016 is what made 2024 even a possibility.
Dems have fucked up terribly.
That about sums it up.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
But fuck me, I’d love to vote for something else. And I’ll be honest, I have no idea how we get anything better.
I hear people saying to organize, but I can’t even imagine what that takes. I wonder if most Americans feel as helpless as I do in the face of this absolute bullshit.
The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets. They have completely given up their agency and just accept this impotent logic of “we’ll take whatever the most obvious/most apparently easy option is, that isn’t a Republican”. It’s a cyclical problem, the voters don’t care enough to force politicians to be good, and the politicians don’t care enough to court voters.
The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets.
It really isn’t, study after study has shown that popularity has basically no effect on policy.
…the candidate the population votes for.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say “you get what you fight for, and if you don’t fight you get what you get.”
I… haven’t really fought for anything. I believed the right things. I voted as best I could. But that clearly didn’t stop this.
I want to protect my ego and say I’m not a coward. Is there a distinction to be made between cowardice and simply not knowing what to do? I don’t know. I just know I’m trying my best, but maybe that’s just not enough.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
It does not ignore that, rather it explicitly takes that into account.
The caveat to my statement would ONLY be “so long as we’re using this system.”
Please focus more on accurate logic.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
Unfortunately, much of what the Democrats represent is fascism.
Depends on what you mean by “much”? I’d argue the Democrats, on the whole, are liberals, not fascists.
I’d certainly prefer progressives and leftists though.
The support for Israel whole they genocide Palestine, thought… ugh. That can certainly be viewed as fascism, although where you draw the distinction between fascism and imperialism is up for debate. Not that imperialism is good either, just saying.
Liberals are the only people in history to vote for fascists to prevent class solidarity, and they’ve done it every time.
If you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds.
So conservatives are… what? Not a group of people? Or in your view, are conservatives just fascists already?
Conservative liberals have the same ideology as liberals, just the pace is different. American politics have fucked too many people’s brains.
Yeah, I don’t buy that. Liberalism and Conservatism have different ideological foundations, philosophical traditions, and political histories.
If you don’t know the difference, that’s on you.
I have to make a lot of leaps to guess what you mean by “conservative liberal”. Do you mean a modern “social liberal economic conservative”? Aka a neoliberal?
Cuz yeah US Dems and Repubs are almost all economically neoliberal, sure. Is that what you mean?
You’re absolutely right
It’s because a lot of the criticism attributed to “the Democrats” it’s just general criticism about the government and has nothing to do with a Democrats specifically.
I really feel like as soon as a Democrat gets in the office people forget that the other half of the government is fucking Republicans that will do anything to stop Democrats from getting what they want… That’s the entirety of what Turtleman is made of.
Because we are tired of arguing nuance, while out enemied threaten to literally exterminate us. At this point, any straying from the left is a profound moral failing. It’s usually some kind if bigotry, or support of unscientific ideas.
All you guys suck, democrats enabled the rise of fascism by being impotent cowards trying to get the scraps left behind by the republicunts.
Everyone should still vote for them becuase they are better than the only other option in your dogshit political system.
Vote as far left as possible all the way up, if it ends up as trump v clinton then it should be the lefter of the two.
Spamming as a conservative on multiple posts? This is the same type of posts you see on conservative reddit, always pointing out both sides, when there’s almost none of the same type of opinionated posts when referring to Republicans. I know you like to blame Dems, but Republicans are the ones actually promoting and using racism , and fascism right? Where’s the criticism against them with such vigor as your post. Your the reason why Reddit has been so aggressive with their banning
The Democratic Party on the whole is captured by the donor class as a direct result of Citizens United. This has led to the hollowing out of the grassroots movements that are necessary for a large coalition of diverse interests to compete against the oligarchic cabal that makes up the GOP. This decimated the rank and file operatives that used networking within their communities to create political action and replaced it with endless fundraising emails, even as the primary process was corrupted (Hillary v Bernie, Biden v Bernie) to remove clout from the progressive wing of the party.
This led to the disillusionment of many Democratic voters that they have any say in the nomination process (the last time we had a real primary was Obama 2008 - almost 20 years ago), and the result is a slate of weak centrist candidates that for the most part play lip service to liberal cultural issues while blocking any real progressive economic progress.
The purpose of the Democratic Party apparatus as it exists in 2025 America is to capture and dilute revolutionary energy, so that people don’t take to the streets and demand real change. Yes, there are some independents and good folks within the Democratic Party trying to make a change (AOC, Jasmine Crocket) but the power players (Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries) are still refusing to stand up to the overt fascist takeover of our country.
The system as it exists will not change, and without change, we’re barreling into a fascism induced depression and possible civil war that will likely ravage the planet.
Democrats suck
Can I be blatant?
I DON’T GIVE A FUCK.
It’s Democrats, who have a voting history proving they regularly vote in favor of the middle/lower classes, statistics that prove they are better for our economy, and who don’t infringe upon our rights. Or Republicans, a traitor party who put a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist who incited an insurrection and illegally attempted to overturn an election in the Oval Office, who is increasing our cost of living by starting fights with our allies and deconstructing our federal government.
I DON’T GIVE A FUCK IF YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATS SUCK.
They are INFINITELY better than the only other option you’re going to get, probably in your lifetime, because 3rd parties aren’t doing the fucking work to get their reps in Congress so they actually stand a chance of winning a presidential election.
If you’re getting downvoted for criticizing Democrats, deal with it. It’s probably because we’re watching Republicans literally destroy our federal government before our eyes and fuck up our allegiances so we don’t really have a lot of patience for dumbfucks who say “Democrats suck” when clearly we’d be in a much more stable situation if we’d have gone with them instead.
Why does being downvoted here even matter at all like who cares. Democrats have lost the plot and only care about identity politics. Policy don’t help the average everyday people.
Yes but only democrats can say that.
Please understand that the democrats are further right than most countries mainstream right wing parties in Europe noone really likes that Germany elected the CDU (politically similar to the democrats) but we’re all very pleased that afd didn’t get a majority. Vote for the least damaging candidate and work on the system by protesting. Noone thinks Biden and Harris are saints, they’re just the least harmful option.
As in criticizing Democrats on their merits or criticizing Democrats as equally bad as Republicans? Big difference between the two.
I want to hereby thank the people who voted “third party” because “both parties are bad”. Yeah. Thanks…
What I constantly hear is deflections about how voting doesn’t matter, but it fucking does, yes the Democrats suck but they are better, it’s not even close.
Fight back and do everything you can to change what’s going on and blame Democrats but don’t sell out an entire election cycle to literal Satan to make that point
all that does is irreversible damage
Vote Green when you can, and push on your representatives in between elections.
if a third party was possible under current electoral governance the green party would absolutely not be better
literal Satan
American Civil Religion is very real
it sure is and yeah i was being exagatory for effect but if you’re just going to pretend there isn’t some very real damage being done that could have been prevented then the .ml brainrot is real
exagatory for effect
Yeah, the effect is that you look like a blueMAGA fanatic
You can label me with whatever epithet you want, but the reality is that voting Democrat was the correct choice to minimize damage. Is that where it ends? No. Should the Democrats be raked over the coals for their current and past inaction? Absolutely.
The reality is, if anyone who is upset with the Democrats truly wanted change, they would understand that change is slow. “Teaching the party a lesson” has historically only resulted in a shift to the right. Direct action is the only thing that works. But while that effort continues, I’d certainly prefer if the checks and balances of the government weren’t being actively weakened and exploited.
The correct choice to minimize damage to burger libs (while maximizing damage to everyone else but libs dont see nonwestern people as humans)
“The reality is that voting Democrat was the correct choice to minimize damage”
“Direct action is the only thing that works.”
Your worldview is incoherent. You don’t even have the self-awareness to see how your own thoughts and opinions are contradictory.
The blue MAGA types are moooostly on .world, but they have the most users, so… .ml are mostly CCP with the same degree of dedication, and blahaj is that but with Likud. I just block .world and blahaj because they are right wingers beyond saving.
CPC -> Communist Party of China
What I don’t understand - and please explain if you can - is why Bernie and like-minded people like AOC etc don’t break away from the likes of the Clintons and the Harrises and form their own party. Surely there must be some systemic hurdle keeping them from at least attempting right?
