I have it on good authority that they’re weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.

North Atlantic Terrorist Organization has spoken!

Same vibes as giving a dog a treat before it gets put down.

The knowledge that western domination over the world is crumbling, that neolibarlism is becoming discredited, and that the capitalist system is imploding. Meanwhile, there’s plenty of positive news coming out China every day. China is building infrastructure, transitioning off fossil fuels, and improving the standard of living for its people. China is showing what an alternative cooperative model of development looks like, one that’s not based on constant war and exploitation.

Iran could enforce selective closing very easily because they can shoot across the strait from the coast. It’s a mountainous region where Iran has a bunch of missile installations which would be very difficult to dislodge. Iran can also trivially enforce a full closing because the strait is very shallow. All they’d have to do would be to scuttle a couple of corvettes there, and it would be completely impassible. Full closure would be the nuclear option.

lol do you even know what astroturfing means? 🤣

Ah yes, I reveal myself by resharing a meme somebody else made that’s been obviously screencapped. The blueMaga conspiracy theorists never cease to amaze.

I haven’t defined artificial out of existence at all. My definition of artificial is a system that was consciously engineered by humans. The human mind is a product of natural evolutionary processes. Therefore, the way we perceive and interpret the world is inherently a natural process. I don’t see how it makes sense to say that human representation of the world is not natural.

An example of something that’s artificial would be taking a neural network we designed, and having it build a novel representation of the world that’s unbiased by us from raw inputs. It would be an designed system, as opposed to one that evolved naturally, with its own artificial representation of the world.

thanks for letting me know how much you’re seething and coping, really made my day 😘

so brave

oh absolutely

Are you saying that humans are not a product of nature?

You continue to ignore my point that human representation are themselves not arbitrary. Our brains have emerged naturally, and that’s what makes the representations humans make natural. You could evolve a representation of the model from scratch by hooking up a neural network to raw sensory inputs, and its topology will eventually become tuned to model those inputs. I don’t see what would be fundamentally more natural about that though.

welcome to the world that capitalism built

A more accurate conclusion would be: human-like object concept representations emerge when fed data collected by humans, curated by humans, annotated by humans, and then tested by representation learning methods designed for humans.

Again, I’m not disputing this point, but I don’t see why it’s significant to be honest. As I’ve noted, human representation of the world is not arbitrary. We evolved to create efficient models that allow us to interact with the world in an effective way. We’re now seeing that artificial neural networks are able to create similar types of internal representations that allow them to meaningfully interact with the data organized in a way that’s natural for humans.

I’m not suggesting that human style representation of the world is the one true way to build a world model, or that other efficient representations aren’t possible. However, that in no way detracts from the fact that LLMs can create a useful representation of the world, that’s similar to our own.

Ultimately, the end goal of this technology is to be able to interact with humans, to navigate human environments, and to accomplish tasks that humans want to accomplish.

It’s a good thing in a sense that it means the models are creating stable representations of objects across modalities. It means that there is potential for extending LLM approach to building actual world models in the future.

this is a very good take on why Germany does this https://spore.social/@ayoub/114653676641160705

It’s not merely natural. It’s human.

I’m not disputing this, but I also don’t see why that’s important. It’s a representation of the world encoded in a human format. We’re basically skipping a step of evolving a way to encode this data.

We know that LLMs, when fed human-like inputs, produce human-like outputs. That’s it. That tells us more about LLMs and humans than it tells us about nature itself.

Did you actually read through the paper?

I didn’t say they’re encoding raw data from nature. I said they’re learning to interpret multimodal representations of the encodings of nature that we feed them in human compatible formats. What these networks are learning is to make associations between visual, auditory, tactile, and text representations of objects. When a model recognizes a particular modality such as a sound, it can then infer that it may be associated with a particular visual object, and so on.

Meanwhile, the human perspective itself isn’t arbitrary either. It’s a result of evolutionary selection process that shaped the way our brains are structured. This is similar to how brains of other animals encode reality as well. If you evolved a neural network on raw data from the environment, it would eventually start creating similar types of representations as well because it’s an efficient way to model the world.

Ultimately the data both human brains and artificial neural networks are trained on comes from the material reality we inhabit. That’s the underlying context. We’re feeding LLMs data about our reality encoded in a way that’s compatible with how our brains interpret it. I’d argue that models being based on data encoding that we ourselves use is a feature, because ultimately we want to be able to interact with them in a meaningful way.