US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China’s space program::undefined
Dang maybe we should take a fraction of the trillions we spend on the military to fund scientific research, and potentially also health and education.
US: continually decides to not fund scientific exploration of space
Also US: GUYS! BE AFRAID! ANOTHER COUNTRY DID DECIDE TO SPEND MONEY ON IT! NOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IF…UM…WELL, I GUESS IF THEY TAKE OVER SPACE…? Or…wait, what are we concerned about? Ah, fuck it. Cut NASA’s budget again. We got genocide to fund and taxes to cut for the wealthy.
Same with Republicans and the border.
“Do something about the border!”
“Ok, we need funds. Please give them to us.”
“No! Do something about the border!”
“We can’t because you won’t give us the money.”
“Too bad! Do something about the border!”
Didn’t Biden agree with those idiots that the border is the most important issue of the day?
Probably. I don’t remember. I do remember them screaming that something has to be done about the border, then the Democrats gave them virtually everything they asked for on the border and Biden said he would sign the bill, but then Trump told them not to agree to it because it would hurt his campaign and they shot down the bill that would have given them what they wanted.
And the really sad part is that half the country, at least half the country, doesn’t even know.
Yep, you have a ghost president calling the shots for half the elected representatives, and the current president condoning a genocide. Really no winning.
Remember when you just told me that I support genocide by existing because I haven’t rioted?
Maybe you aren’t the best person to be talking about this. Because apparently you think around 8 billion people support genocide.
I’m sorry that you’re having so much trouble with this thought process. Good luck with the genocide.
I’m not having any trouble at all. You believe my lack of death means I support genocide, unless I do the things you’ve said. And since you claim I already support genocide, you must know for a fact that I didn’t do those things you said.
Therefore, I support genocide by existing.
Are you going to pretend you didn’t write what I pasted above?
Honestly, I’m just waiting for you to tell me to kill myself. That’s the next step.
my god, like, could you stop using the genocide logic to do this shit? you see “the people in Gaza deserve to be targets of a genocide because they didn’t rise up against Hamas”
Yes. And now we’re going to have two senile coots yelling “He let the illegals in!” back and forth at one another as we stumble into another national embarrassment of an election season.
Gee whiz, maybe we should have been properly funding our space program all of these years instead of wasting it on making the military industrial complex filthy fucking rich and the world less secure overall?
People behind the scenes are siphoning NASA space research money and turning it into space profit instead. The growth of private space companies starting in the US is no coincidence. Blame oligarchs for steering the country into a dead end.
Hate on spacex and its competitors as much as you want, im not saying you dont have cause.
But defunding NASA caused this. Those billionaires looked and said holy shit, the entire nasa budget is only that much? And they arent building rockets anymore? I can literally fund my own space program? Ide be crazy not to
The government has funded SpaceX, not musk.
Don’t worry, I do.
To be fair, it’s not as if those things are mutually-exclusive. For example, you know how the Hubble Space Telescope is this extremely unique and nigh-irreplaceable scientific instrument that cost a pretty big fraction of NASA’s entire budget?
Well, it turns out we actually have dozens of the damn things; it’s just that we couldn’t be bothered to actually point more than one of them away from Earth instead of towards it.
Hell, a decade ago the National Reconnaissance Office gave NASA a couple for free 'cause they just had 'em lying around, but (as far as I know) NASA hasn’t managed to scrounge up enough money from the couch cushions to spruce 'em up and launch 'em yet.
They certainly don’t have to be, but there is a well established pattern of the US government getting waaay too chummy with corporations to the point that it can undermine what’s best for the people in pursuit of corporate interests.
Especially stupid considering last time they gave the space program appropriate funding, it led to a lot of advancements that the military industrial complex could use.
You make it sound like the military advancements were an unexpected byproduct, as opposed to the real goal.
The goal was optics. Kennedy didn’t know what advances would result from Apollo. He wanted to show that the US was better at science and technology than Russia.
The science of putting a ballistic payload anywhere, including heaven.
The space race was awesome because it let the two countries measure their dicks (specifically their military dicks) without actually obliterating the planet.
The “for all mankind” angle was a great way to frame things for the population of Earth, for sure. But just like mobile chemical WMD labs in Iraq, sometimes the given justification and actual justification are two different things.
Don’t get me wrong, there absolutely were beneficial optics. Something doesn’t have to just be for one thing. But it was always primarily about practical demonstration of weapons capacity under the facade of human exploration.
The dick measuring is what I was referring to by “optics”.
I don’t disagree, but has anyone found corroborating evidence or documentation, past speculation and reasonable assumption?
Nonsense, surely their shortsightedness will pay off in the long run!
This is a good thing. Competition with the USSR made NASA what it is.
Only if the US actually competes. Given the fuckwits in congress, that is far from assured.
“Can you give me one bill…”
So this is the power of diversity
This is the power of not funding your space program and actively destroying your own educational system, which is where things like engineers and scientists come from in the first place.
What? Your comment doesn’t even make sense!
Are you trying to say NASA hires “too many women, LGBTs and brown people”, and that this is holding them back?
Is there something about straight, white cis males that makes them better at rocket science?
I don’t believe in racial science and “superiority”, however I refer to hiring based on only merit and not just for the sake of fulfilling a diversity quota. The tech industry has suffered enough because of this.
Well, Braun was a Nazi…
If they were truly concerned, they’d start giving it the funding it deserves.
They’ve tried everything except actually funding NASA, and they’re all outta ideas.
NOTE: China WILL overtake NASA, the same way they are dominating the renewable energy sector — because they invest heavily in science. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand this shit.
Maybe we should give money to fund education and research instead of banning books and attacking each other.
But hey we tried giving a shit load of money to a billionaire space nazi instead!
Unfortunately that company is the best hope we have to stay ahead. With their low cost they can monopolize the worldwide launch market(except Russia and China). So that funding, strategically, must continue.
What should also happen is funding spacex competitors, so we stay on the bleeding edge.
Is China staying on the bleeding edge by funding a bunch of private companies?
Maybe we need to give more to the space phallus that the other asshole billionaire built. Maybe that’ll fix it.
Won’t someone think of the investors!
I came here to say exactly this.
Perhaps a space race with China would rekindle the motivation for our money grubbing demagogues to actually fund it.
No, it won’t. They’ll just relocate to China, or maybe a super yacht out in international waters. They’ll continue milking every last cent out of the US until it’s a dead dried up husk of a nation and then they’ll just move to the next one. Their supporters are too stupid to realize where the end of the path they’ve been told to walk is going to take them, and they’d rather blame anyone else but themselves for all the problems they face. So no, a space race with China won’t fix shit.
Judging by the state of the US, you’re much more likely to be right than I am, you cynical bastard!
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Yeah, but Israel /s
That goes double for our educational system, which has been aggressively gutted by the GOP: People aren’t just born engineers and scientists.
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NASA and all it’s bureaucracy was overtaken by private corps years ago.
Choosing Musk and SpaceX for Artemis is likely NASAs biggest mistake.
If you look at the Artemis mission and think starship is the weakest part of the plan, you are simply not being objective.
At least for ISS, the choice is either Musk or Putin.
I don’t know which one is worse, especially considering Musk is aiding Putin via Starlink in Ukraine.
Ukraine claims Russian forces using Musk’s Starlink in occupied areas
But as someone who works in the industry, it is a bleak outlook. NASA absolutely needs more funding for its human spaceflight exploration, Earth Science, robotic exploration, and astronomy/astrophysics.
SpaceX has launched more successful missions this year than every other space agency put together.
Fuck Musk and all that, but if you’re posting this bullshit, you have Musk derangement syndrome.
NASA is a fraud. Musk is just the latest goofy face of govt black projects. Keyfabe
It was always part of Musk’s plan to cripple NASA funding and pump that money into SpaceX.
I’m sure throwing more money and contracts at Musk and SpaceX is going to help solve the problem any day now. /s
Anyone concerned that the US will be “overtaken” by anything coming out of China right now needs to go read about what’s been happening in China for the last 5 years.
What do you mean?
If you watch anything other than chinadaily (the CCPs propaganda channel) you’d know exactly what I mean.
Dumbest answer to a simple question, congrats! 🥳
I wasn’t trying to say you were wrong…I legitimately don’t know what you’re trying to say.
They’re worried another nation will expose the blatant lie NASA is perpetrating
Don’t worry guys, the US Space Force will make sure they are prevented from entering space.
We all live on this rock. Floating through space.
Anyone who doesn’t want to spend more time looking out is someone with something in their closet you don’t want to look in.
Ad Aspera Ad Astra
“To thorns, to stars”?..
theythey have the qote mixed up its Ad Astra Per Aspare, To the stars through dificalties… you see it everywhere in Kansas
Why in Kansas? EDIT: Oh, googled it.
State Motto… do not ask me why it is the state motto, because I have absolutly no Idea
“Just keep going”
well, I think he meant: Per aspera ad astra
just remember that almost all older languages had fewer nouns and verbs, so “thorns” here is referring to difficulty and obstruction
so more meaningfully translated, this old Latin saying is closer to “through great treachery is the path to the stars”
Ad Astra Per Aspera
Going for the Starfleet quote, sorry my Latin is lacking
