He didn’t quite stick the landing on his “destroy the US empire” speedrun last term, but he wasn’t idle over the last 4 years and has come out the gate with a strong strategy this time around!
How does this destroy the US empire? It worked, Colombia caved within minutes.
Not by itself, but it’s representative of his overreaction to every little perceived slight against him. Correct me if I’m wrong; it’s standard to send and receive civilian planes for returning migrants. Colombia does not want its citizens being treated like criminals, detained aboard military aircraft. US media is declaring victory for Trump on a technicality. If this is all it takes for him to completely fill his diaper, he’s going to drone strike the first country to follow through with retaliatory tariffs.
They are criminals, because they were here illegally. It would be different if they were legal migrants, but they’re not.
And it wasn’t an overreaction, it was a warning, meant to bend Colombia’s will. And it worked, immediately.
hopefully we can convince him to send you to the bottom of the ocean or something
If they won’t take them, maybe we could put all these Columbians in some sort of District. A District of Columbia filled with criminals. Wait, we already have that.
Had me in the first half not gonna lie
Columbia != Colombia. The real joke though is for those who don’t know the difference.
illegal Criminals
As opposed to the legal kind.
That would be Wall Street
E.g. donald trump, or are you disagree that he is a legal criminal, according to his sentence. Like, a criminal yes, but we don’t judge you, because clearly not everyone is the same in front of the law, apparently.
He’s the president of the United States
Who? An illegal criminal?
HereBeter is saying that trump is a legal criminal… you know, since he has been found guilty of many crimes, yet hasn’t had to have any consequences.
Viva Colombia
“Criminals they forced into the United States” = “Invasion”
“Repatriation” != “Deportation”
Repatriation is what happens when you return a POW to their country of origin.
The term repatriation is not in any way exclusive to POWs. It was, for example, used extensively during COVID when talking about voluntary repatriation of expats to their home countries.
True. I should have been more clear: Deportation requires the involvement of the judicial branch. Repatriation has no such requirement. “Repatriation” is a more generic term for returning to one’s country of origin.
I did not mean to suggest that “repatriation” was exclusive to POWs, and I apologize if I gave that impression. I meant to distinguish between judicial and non-judicial.
POWs are not entitled to access to the criminal justice system.
That’s… Not true.
POWs do not need to be charged with a crime. Indeed, under international treaties and laws governing armed conflict, POWs generally can’t be criminally charged for simply participating in hostilities.
They can be held without charge until the conclusion of hostilities. They are not entitled to the protections afforded to the accused, because they are not accused. They are not entitled to access to the criminal justice system.
Clown gonna clown
Then Columbia put 50% tariffs on the US.
Love it.
Lol. They caved.
The US caved actually, Petro point was that the deportees werent treated like garbage.
Maybe the US should take back the US members of ISIS that have been left (along with the people from the other nations that joined ISIS) for the Kurds to keep.
Well you see, we have long and storied history of fucking over the Kurds. You wouldn’t want to tarnish that record would you?
I like how his statement paints not accepting refugees as a negative action
Ironically, so does your comment. You mean actively and forcibly ejecting refugees.
The economic vs. refugee character of the people he ejected is unclear AFIAK, though.
My comment alludes to Trump’s negative opinion of refugees
Oh, negative morally.
How does it do that? These were Colombian citizens being moved unwillingly, not refugees.
Saying the president is already unpopular and now he won’t take these people makes it sound like taking refugees would boost his popularity
Trump however by doing this shows he thinks taking refugees is a bad thing
Forcibly relocating refugees doesn’t make them no longer refugees, it just makes you (the one relocating them) a bad person/in violation of international law
Ah. Then I’ll go back to my first comment.
Trump wouldn’t recognize hypocrisy if it walked up and kicked him in the balls.
Norman Finkelstein said something the other day, quoting someone else…it was…“hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue”. Meaning, evil people understand what they’re doing is wrong, that’s why they pretend to be good. Hypocrisy is beyond the point to them. They’ve sacrificed morality. Although I think Finkelstein was saying it in the context of talking about how Republican pols do so much less of even pretending to be good (though certainly not zero).
I don’t think Finkelstein’s quote takes into account a severe narcissist.
In the narcissistic mind, the only right is something that benefits them, and the only wrong is something that harms them.
What refugees?
What would you call forcibly expatriated people
How or by what were they forced to leave their country?
By whoever put them on the plane they were on on Trump’s order that is mentioned in the post we’re talking about.
He is deporting Americans? That’s your argument? What does it take to become American?
I dunno, you tell me. I wasn’t making an argument just answering your dumb ass question.
Lol you answered nothing at all. Did you even read my original question?
Getting married to a Colombian woman as an America. Is this going to hinder her from getting a marriage visa and coming to America with me?
It certainty make it easier.
It’s anyone’s guess, but Trump’s an idiot.
When did you submit the marriage visa? Also congrats! My wife is also Colombian and these last few days have been a fun time
We are getting married at the notary today so she hasn’t applied for it yet! I am here I Colombia with her so sorry for the late reply. Internet is spotty I will look better when I arrive at her house. Thank you!
Yay! Wishing you both the best. I feel weird promoting a YouTube stream but it’s helping me learn a lot by just listening and hearing people’s stories. I believe the Zoom number and Whatsapp numbers are posted on his page. Looks like today’s is scheduled for 3:30PM COT/UTC -5 and tomorrow’s is 6:30PM COT/UTC -5.
Congratulations and commiserations!
With all the executive orders he’s spewing forth, I wouldn’t be surprised if you run into some roadblocks, if only out of confusion on the part of immigration officials. For both your sakes, I hope it isn’t too disruptive. Mazel tov!
You both are getting rounded up for the next flight lmao
I was born and raised in the deep south brother. Hate to be rude but fuck off.
It would be a good idea that Mexico, Columbia and other latin countries promote the Trump Wall, but expelling all US residents in their countries. A wall always works in both directions.
Man, I’d love to meet the man, just so I could tell him to fuck off and die.
Or, like a late friend put it: May lightning strike him when he sits on the shitter.
We can only hope.
A lot of these actually are criminals why should we have to keep them?
Yeah, why shouldn’t we send all Republicans to another country? Or how about those criminals guilty of being Jewish, or black, or gay? Or how about the crime of “looking too Mexican,” like the US did to US citizens during Operations Wetback 1 & 2.
Also, love how you even say “some of them are criminals,” not all of them. Meaning that you’re okay with gathering up some amount of innocent people and sending them to a different country with nothing more than the clothes on their backs.
And let’s get this clear, sending someone back to their “home” country without a plan or an actual home to go to should be a criminal act. These people are often productive members of US society who pay more taxes than Aotus. They already have homes and family in the US.
This is beyond despicable and crosses into the the realm of pure evil.
actually are criminals
Where was this disdain for criminals at voting time?
It’s really simple if you have a basic, or very tiny, ability to think about it for two seconds. Let’s see if I can help. Criminals being deported are a huge problem for any receiving county, you see, they often don’t have any legal pretext to imprison or arrest them, if they committed crimes in anther nation, it’s unlikely the can collect evidence, or call witnesses to a legal process, also, it’s quite rare to have laws that apply to actions that occurred outside all legaly boundaries. It’s it illegal if an American goes to a county they don’t have documentation to be in, then commit crimes outside the US against other people without any way for the US to detect or prove these actions? So if Colombia has an American who kills dozens of people in their country, and is charged and sentanced to life without parole, and then the decide YEARS after the fact to put them on a plane to LAX and throw them off the plane with no other effort, do you want to let that plane land? That’s fucking insane. The solution to this problem already exists. Instead of being a fascist stupid fuck, you can create an extradition process where we can accept the Colombian legal process and transfer them ourselves to a US prison without dumping serial killers at an airport on their own.
Being a threatening authoritarian isn’t solving this problem, and thinking every country in the world will simply accept people who have been convicted an sentanced in another nation is fucking stupid. And thinking they can manage to exist outside US economic good will it’s also stupid. If he think burning every ally in Latin America is going to hurt them more than us, he’s as dumb asv everyone already knows.
Basically nobody opposes deporting actual criminals (not political crimes). The problem is that it isn’t the cartel members and bank robbers who get rounded up when a factory is raided. And the mother fleeing persecution is treated the same as the drug kingpin.
You’re asssuming they got mothers on this specific flight? I’ve seen nothing about innocents in this flight being posted, are these not straight up criminals on this flight? Can you show me articles I cant find any
What crimes? Criminal conrains everyone from movie pirates to ocean pirates.
Basically nobody opposes deporting actual criminals
Deportation as a mechanism of punishment for state and federal crimes is generally bad policy. It is excessively draconian (it effectively renders them homeless, unemployed, and indefinitely denied their family and friends for… what? Too many parking tickets? Working construction without a license? Illegally camping?) for some. And entirely too lenient (deporting hardened criminals and cartel leaders like serial rapists or murderers effectively guarantees their release in states that can’t afford to jail them) for others.
That’s why we’ll often extradite gang leaders into the US from overseas, when the crimes are severe enough. Its also why “sanctuary cities” regularly look the other way for petty offenses in order to avoid the mass economic disruption of ICE interference in municipal matters.
Injecting immigration penalties into the civil justice system fucks with all the basic functions of local courts and prosecutors. It raises the stakes on minor offenses and gives the worst offenders a get-out-of-jail-free card.
All that is assuming you even have somewhere to send undocumented criminals. For people who are functionally stateless - migrants who came over as children without papers, refugees from countries that cannot repatriate them or effectively no longer exist, Native Americans who the Feds don’t want to recognize as legal US residents - the ability to deport is little more than Penal Transportation. Nevermind how it routinely violates the 5th and 8th amendment, it mostly just means bribing a small, bankrupt satrap of the US to accept planeloads of random people, often without so much as a proper conviction.
it effectively renders them homeless, unemployed, and indefinitely denied their family and friends for… what? Too many parking tickets? Working construction without a license? Illegally camping?
the u, s and a are actually deporting people over misdemeanors?
Yes.
Ah yes, because criminals are subhumans who should be exterminated like the cockroaches they are. And if we can’t take the trash out back like we should we can at least make it not our problem and make sure the cockroaches aren’t in our backyard. That’s what you’re saying right?
We don’t actually know what is going on. We had a system that favored protections for people presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Now Trump is moving so fast with a process that is not transparent and a rhetoric that is hostile and unsympathetic towards all immigrants. People are understandably suspicious that the immigrants were given a fair chance to defend their legal presence in the USA.
Shit, I won’t be surprised when legal us born citizens get deported in a mix up.
Shit, I won’t be surprised when legal us born citizens get deported in a mix up.
They’re already rounding up native Americans in these groups. It’s only a matter of time until they start deporting randomly to other countries because ICE was already an incompetent organization and has done that previously numerous times, speeding things up just means more fuckups. Which is of course, the plan. Because it’s not about illegals, or immigrants, it’s about non-whites.
Stop using that label as an excuse to treat people as subhuman.
The state is rounding up people en masse and shipping them off to a foreign country. This process took a week. Due process is not present. This is some straight-up Nazi shit, and if you can’t at least mutter “fuck that,” then please shut up.
Because we’re not entitled to force some other country to take them!
WTF did you think the answer was‽
Well, there goes Columbian coffee and bananas!
Kind of glad I panic-bought ground Columbian coffee and froze it. Not that that’s great, but better than nothing.
But why would you buy ground? A grinder is like $10. You can grind 3-4 days at a time if you don’t like cleaning.
It was on sale. I have a grinder.
Colombian
I mean … they can still come in, they are just 25% more expensive for Americans
And 50% more later on :)
more. middle-men gonna middle on that 25%.
The best middle-men in this situation are the ones sidestepping the tariffs entirely.
Not like Colombia doesn’t already have a rich history of smuggling high-demand US contraband over the border, but it will be weird to start getting all my coffee shipped by way of Langley.
The best middle-men in this situation are the ones sidestepping the tariffs entirely.
Can’t wait to get me some bootleg coffee beans
Langley
deep, deep burn. CIA flights imminent.
Even weirder when they start packing coffee in cocaine to throw off the dogs.
Coffee is already getting more expensive, I’m assuming everywhere :/
it is. coffee producing regions all over the world are suffering the effects of global warming.
You don’t understand, tariff is promoting the emergence of American made alternative, by next week you will find American grown coffee and bananas in the supermarket.
🤣
y cocaina amigo.
Ooo boy Don Jrs gonna have a hard time with this one
Lol I thought the same thing
Maybe Elon will spot him
Elon’s probably on Krokodil
Nope, Colombia caved within minutes.
Sanctions not going through Congress, it’s insane that’s considered constitutional
He governs by decrees basically, and so did biden. Its mental gymnastics at olympic level to call the US a democratic country.
Columbia no like they president?
Trump said it so…
They probably love him.
