They do this all the time. Maybe Biden should call their bluff, execute his powers as Commander in Chief, and order the National Guard in Texas to turn on State Police.
Do it lmao, let’s see how it turns out.
So, are they recalling their Congressional delegations?
Would they have to create their own currency??
We’ve already got our own currency: HEB and Whataburger gift cards.
What’s the exchange rate between Whataburger gift cards and Sheetz gift cards? Asking for a Dan Patrick
I hated the cops and infrastructure in Pennsylvania the times I drove through, but I can forgive almost anything if it’s got a little Fetterman in it.
Yeah, if you drove through PA you should probably get your alignment checked.
get your alignment checked
I’m Rebel Alliance all the way. Fuck the Empire and their impeccable fashion choices.
I was thinking more like Sheetz vs. Wawa
They are creating a gold backed cryptocurrency as we speak! The holy grail of currency that cannot be manipulated like fiat. Texas is a step ahead of the rest.
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.
Gonna be hard to get that FEMA money Texas needs every few years once they secede.
As a Texan who wants nothing to do with these absolute fucking morons, but whose life is directly impacted by their asinine whims: please don’t encourage them. I can’t afford to leave yet.
I’m in the same situation. People seem to forget that just under half of the 30 million people here aren’t conservative and don’t want anything to with this
Always nice to know people are looking out for us, right?
Essentially telling a madman with hostages “yeah, do it, pussy. Bet you won’t,” just to see him reap the consequences, but conveniently forgetting state-wide consequences don’t only affect the people you want them to affect.
Here’s hoping it just turns out like the last time these jerkoffs talked about secession. Maybe, if we’re lucky, we can finally get rid of Abbott. If we’re really lucky, maybe his replacement won’t be as psychotic, either!
They can, and should, be fertilizer. 🌻🌻🌻
Go ahead. Seceded states don’t get electoral votes.
Or federal funding.
As someone who actually lives here, I would be very hard pressed to find someone who actually thinks secession is a good idea. It has been years since I’ve met someone who didn’t consider it anything more than a joke or bit of (false) trivia.
Be aware that Lemmy is a pretty radically legt place. It isn’t where to go if you want nuanced takes on stupid conservative talking points.
While this is true, your elected officials are acting as if it’s really on the table. You may not be able to find a Texan who says they want secession, but it’s not hard to find one who would vote for it.
Rural Texas can be pretty crazy. Cities and the immediate surrounding areas are pretty normal and liberal.
Cities and the immediate surrounding areas are pretty normal and liberal.
I’m not so sure about that.
Comparing Austin to Houston (for example) you’ll see two quite different mindsets / philosophies going on. And Dallas/Fort Worth seems even different from the two other cities.
I say this all the time, but that’s everywhere in the US. When I first moved to Pennsylvania, a friend told me that it was Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, with Alabama in between. Then, later, we moved to Minnesota, and it was the same thing: The Cities, a couple of outliers like Duluth and the college towns, but MAGA signs everywhere else.
If the electoral college didn’t make elections so unfair, politics in the US would be more sane, and more liberal.
Yeah, stopped at a gas station out in the middle of nowhere in west Texas, and the old woman at the cash register wouldn’t ring up me and my GF because my GF was black. In 2020. A friend almost got in a fight at a bar out in the middle of nowhere in Texas because he had a UT bumper sticker on his truck, and they didn’t like “liberals” there.
But, the cities are pretty normal. Have seen police cars painted with rainbows for pride month. A church down the road from me flies a pride flag, etc.
If the electoral college didn’t make elections so unfair, politics in the US would be more sane, and more liberal.
If we ever end up actually having a civil war, it’ll be over this.
The majority will be tired of the minorities bs, and they’ll insist on a change.
The minority will insist that in never changes, because they would lose their power if it did, and are unwilling to lose the culture war.
And unstoppable force and an immovable object type scenario.
Why would anyone want nuanced takes on stupid conservative talking points? They’re not worth listening to because they’re not grounded in reality or knowledge of how the world works.
So you want dictatorship. That way there is no opposing side and as long as you agree, everything is good.
I think most rational people would like an opposition party who brings good ideas with solid justification to the table. A group of professional politicians who argue in good faith, working for the betterment of their electorate. People who can at least be respected by the international community, willing to tackle the real problems facing the world as a whole.
If we’re talking about dictatorship perhaps it’s worth scrutinising the people arguing for total immunity for the president. It’s especially worth an in-depth look at the relationships they form with leaders of other nations and the principles they share.
You can’t have a functional democracy if you don’t listen to the other side. That’s literally the problem we have right now, a bunch of boomers who scream socialism when you try to feed their starving children or get people access to medical care.
I don’t think anyone would disagree with your point, but the other side is literally daring the U.S. military to kill them right now and emitting lout screeching noises. I can’t blame anyone for avoiding engagement.
A vocal minority of cockwaffles are daring the federal government to assert its authority.
I’m sure the proportion of conservatives who support this is disappointingly high, but it is not all, or even most (around here). Even if they do support this political fuckery, the transition to a shooting war is not a small leap.
Texas is a big place but I don’t know if it has the capabilities support itself as a sovereign country and have a full scale war against 49 other states. That being said secession is a bumper sticker cause for most who support it not to diminish the threat but I think they are obviously overplaying their hand.
I suspect it wouldn’t be 49 other states- I’d bet that there’s several other equally stupid states that would happily join them. Definitely Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and maybe Florida would join in. But I bet if Biden tried to call their bluff and pull all govt funding and military bases from those states they would freak out and change their tunes fast.
I guess Texas doesn’t understand they don’t have an army, but the US government already has a massive base right in the center of Texas.
They can secede and then ask the US and Mexico for aid when they collapse, but there won’t be a civil war. Idiots.
They actually do have an army. Most states have a state guard or reserves/militia.
Edit: I did research and the state guards are branches of the national guard placed under the control of the state. Meaning that they are in the U.S. army, as the other user states.
Those are US Army soldiers, paid by the US government. Control of the state reserves is only delegated to the Governor, because that makes sense. The individual governors can freely send them to areas which are in need. But the President can take back control at any time. If the governor of Texas decided to take the reserves under his direction and attack the US, they’d be placed right back under US control.
They are not a “Texas” army. They are part of the US Army delegated to Texas.
I have researched it and I was mistaken. What you are saying is correct.
Really makes this whole thing extra strange, given that many states have sent their reserves to Texas. Political theater.
I am not a conservative, I’m not a liberal either I’m just some dude but seriously are we all just cool with swaths of illegal immigrants coming in all the time? Like, literally nothing to stop them just giving them a hand up over the water? It just doesn’t seem like a good long term strategy, does it? I mean we can’t just walk into Canada if we feel like it either. Idk man Texas has a lot of issues but them saying they are enforcing their border because the feds just let undocumented people walk right in doesn’t seem that wild for real. If someone kept breaking into your house and the police did jack shit about it (which they really would) what would you do?
I know people love a simple answer that makes sense on the surface, but you’ve oversimplified this issue to the point of just being categorically wrong.
A better analogy would be “someone came banging on my door saying that someone was going to kill them and I felt obligated to let them in. Now too many people are doing it and I wanted to live alone so I’m making them pick fruit for $2/hr and now my income depends on these people but I don’t want them here, what do I do?”
Obviously stupid as well but it touches on some of the nuances that the “breaking into my house” analogy doesn’t.
I don’t think it is a fair comparison to say breaking into someone’s house is equivalent to claiming asylum.
I also personally just don’t understand the issue with increased immigration - it gives us a larger labor pool, and counteracts our declining population.
There’s a proper way to claim asylum, and it’s not swimming across the Rio Grande at midnight.
Yeah it just requires money, time and connections. People fleeing countries have all of those things right?
“If I’m poor the rules shouldn’t apply.”
When the rules are “don’t be poor” then yeah, it might be a little unfair.
If you think the rules are unfair, work to change them. Every person walking across the border is giving a middle finger to the qualified LEGAL immigrants waiting YEARS to be naturalized, many of them with financial challenges of their own.
Right, better that they die in their own country rather than seek asylum elsewhere and “give the middle finger” to those with more money, connections and time than they have.
Dying is bad but being disrespectful of unfair rules? Well nothing is worse than that.
“i had to go through miserable bullshit so you have to too” is not doing what you think its doing
Agreed! That’s why I think we should elect MORE REPUBLICANS who are LITERALLY blocking ALL Immigration Reform because they know it’ll hurt Biden!
Maybe we should allow border free flow.
Given the current policies of the Biden administration, my understanding is that most immigrants are actually going through the legal process of claiming asylum.
Channel 5 did a little mini documentary about it that I personally enjoyed: https://youtu.be/2dQ4-VNaG3s
I fail to see how that legal process involves almost drowning in a river or becoming entangled in razor wire. We are talking about separate groups of people: some requesting asylum the LEGAL way and others taking a chance and YOLOing across the border.
Except that walking across the border and surrendering to the border patrol IS the legal way.
So then why are people swimming across rivers and getting ensnared in razor wire, vs legally crossing at designated entry points? If they intend to surrender to border patrol, why not enter the US where the border patrol is present instead of sneaking across? In Tijuana, one can stand in line, get cleared by customs and enter the country. None of that has anything to do with razor wire.
Because the entry points are closed.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
They are actually following the legal process
“I am not a conservative”, “swaths of illegal immigrants”
Are you sure you know what political leanings are? That is a false conservative talking point you are repeating. It’s not illegal to cross a border.
I am positive I know my political leanings. It is true, there are a vast amount of immigrants crossing illegally across our border. If you cross illegally, it is by definition illegal. Which I do understand some laws are unjust but you shouldn’t blame the state when the feds won’t do anything to help them enforce what they say is illegal.
I don’t think you understand, there is no illegal way to cross the border. If someone tells you that there is people crossing the border illegally, they are doing a lie or have bought into false conservative talking points, you shouldn’t believe that. Now, there are undocumented immigrants, and that is something we could talk about. But illegal immigrants is not a thing, it’s like wizards in the Harry Potter universe. Fun to think about, but not real.
It’s a conservative position to limit immigration. Do you feel you support more progressive policies than conservative overall? What verifiable harm has come from increased immigration? People deserve a safe place to live, whether they were born in Mexico or Texas, we have more than enough resources in the US to help people that immigrate here. I don’t see how your metaphor is accurate. The US isn’t a house or private property.
We’ll have to arrange some kind of post wwII Berlin level air campaign to support Austin.
Every 15 minutes a C130 land fully stocked with Trader Joes Chili lime rolled tortilla chips, apple cider, and Joe’s O’s.
And drop brown bags filled with shit on Ted Cruz and Albots property on the way back. Time management maximized.
And drop brown bags filled with shit on Ted Cruz and Albots property on the way back. Time management maximized.
Get this person a position in the DLA, we’ve got bags of shit to drop.
I’m in favor of calling the bluff, but leave it peaceful:
- Army bases remain US army bases and the national guard remains US. Texas must raise its own military without any US military equipment. Existing US servicemen must resign if they wish to join the Texas military, and will be treated as foreign army – they must leave US bases.
- Any companies headquartered in Texas will be considered foreign companies and subject to all relevant taxes and laws. Employees will be considered employed by foreign companies. Any subsidizes and other credits to these companies are forfeit.
- Employees of the state government will be considered foreign state agents.
- Trade deals must be negotiated with the US. Any US facilities providing goods and services, like water or energy, will now charge a fair market rate.
- Texas must renegotiate trade with other countries.
- For the first five years, Texas and the US must allow people to freely move out of or into Texas. If any Texas resident wishes to live as a US citizen, Texas must pay for their relocation.
- After that, or if they choose to renounce US citizenship, Texans are considered foreigners and will be treated as illegal immigrants if they enter the US without proper documentation.
- Texas universities lose all US accreditation. Current Students may transfer to a US university at no cost, and have their existing credits recognized. Texas will pay for any moves. New students from Texas will be considered foreign students and applicants for admissions and tuition at US universities.
- Any attack on US people or property or facilities will be seen as an act of war.
- Texas senators and house representatives are expelled from Congress.
They’ll be crying and begging to rejoin the US within a month. They’ll be a fourth world hell scape within a year if they don’t.
There is still the matter of the Constitution saying that states can’t do that.
Since when have Replicunts given a shit about the constitution? They treat it like they treat the bible. Twist it into fitting their narrative and ignore the parts that don’t.
So, basically brexit then.
Texit.
I have to say TexBrex is better
Disagree, but I respect your opinion. Can we include TexMix somehow?
TexBrex; like texmex but worse.
Obviously Texit
Please, leave. Don’t come crying to us the next time your electrical grid gets overwhelmed.
Hey! Y’all used to rely on us to kick-start y’all’s power grids! Back in the '70s and '80s! Back when racism and cocaine reigned supreme!
Now y’all are all like, “ew, why is that racist coke-head talking to me?” Well, it’s cuz you’re woke or something!
Hey! Listen to me and stop walking away! Why are you taking our American flags?? Hello?
Speaking of power grids, have fun trying to keep yours maintained once you secede, Texas. It barely works as it is now.
Really? It seems to be working great. In fact, Texas has the most diverse power generation with nat gas AND coal AND solar (largest national producer) AND wind (largest national producer) AND nuclear. Coupled with the largest oil play in America along with a significant amount of the country’s refining capacity, I think Texas would be just fine in a secession.
As someone who had to wrap my dementia-affected grandmother in blankets and help her sleep next to my mom’s fireplace while she randomly woke up yelling out my recently-deceased grandfather’s name back in February 2021, I’m gonna say our problem is less about diversification and more about maintenance, infrastructure, oversight, and corruption/improper investments.
There’s a wolf going through your neighborhood that can easily get into homes with old alarm systems but easily defeated by updated security. Are you gonna let the wolf eat you because you’re so proud of how well you designed your old-ass system and the cool modern features it can mimick, or are you gonna call the fucking alarm company and update your security system no matter the cost?
We keep trying nothing and then saying, “but it won’t be so bad this time because we invested more money into the people who failed us last time.”
Yep I completely agree there. They didn’t upgrade the plants to be ready for a cold snap back in Feb 21. I was right in the middle of it. Can you confidently say nothing has been done to mitigate it for next time? Because it just hit -10 for three days without a problem.
You’re not wrong that some changes were made but the vast majority of investment isn’t going into sustainable solution. Texas Monthly recently had an interesting write-up about the nuances as to why the power stayed on this year.
I’m also not sure where you are, but in San Antonio this year, the temperature, precipitation, and duration were all far more forgiving than 2021.
My concern is that, especially with the Texas grid still being privatized, profits will continue to be prioritized over safety and cold weather will soon not be the only killer.
There is always going to be a risk in extreme weather for power issues. I don’t believe increased government regulation is going to help as they are terrible at doing things efficiently and cost effectively. Texas has some of the cheapest power which is great for those of modest means and it would be a shame to change that for those choosing between a meal or their power bill. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
How about that mitigation during heatwave just 4 months ago?
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/08/1198520449/the-texas-power-grid-struggles-through-heatwave
Did you forget about those additional rolling blackouts that no one else in the country deals with?
Cough California cough
Hope you guys can sort all this out by Oscar Night.
Who didn’t see this coming? It was clear from beginning.
And it’s another proof that compromise politic doesn’t work.
