They do this all the time. Maybe Biden should call their bluff, execute his powers as Commander in Chief, and order the National Guard in Texas to turn on State Police.

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    I am not a conservative, I’m not a liberal either I’m just some dude but seriously are we all just cool with swaths of illegal immigrants coming in all the time? Like, literally nothing to stop them just giving them a hand up over the water? It just doesn’t seem like a good long term strategy, does it? I mean we can’t just walk into Canada if we feel like it either. Idk man Texas has a lot of issues but them saying they are enforcing their border because the feds just let undocumented people walk right in doesn’t seem that wild for real. If someone kept breaking into your house and the police did jack shit about it (which they really would) what would you do?

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      “I am not a conservative”, “swaths of illegal immigrants”

      Are you sure you know what political leanings are? That is a false conservative talking point you are repeating. It’s not illegal to cross a border.

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        I am positive I know my political leanings. It is true, there are a vast amount of immigrants crossing illegally across our border. If you cross illegally, it is by definition illegal. Which I do understand some laws are unjust but you shouldn’t blame the state when the feds won’t do anything to help them enforce what they say is illegal.

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          I don’t think you understand, there is no illegal way to cross the border. If someone tells you that there is people crossing the border illegally, they are doing a lie or have bought into false conservative talking points, you shouldn’t believe that. Now, there are undocumented immigrants, and that is something we could talk about. But illegal immigrants is not a thing, it’s like wizards in the Harry Potter universe. Fun to think about, but not real.

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          It’s a conservative position to limit immigration. Do you feel you support more progressive policies than conservative overall? What verifiable harm has come from increased immigration? People deserve a safe place to live, whether they were born in Mexico or Texas, we have more than enough resources in the US to help people that immigrate here. I don’t see how your metaphor is accurate. The US isn’t a house or private property.

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      I know people love a simple answer that makes sense on the surface, but you’ve oversimplified this issue to the point of just being categorically wrong.

      A better analogy would be “someone came banging on my door saying that someone was going to kill them and I felt obligated to let them in. Now too many people are doing it and I wanted to live alone so I’m making them pick fruit for $2/hr and now my income depends on these people but I don’t want them here, what do I do?”

      Obviously stupid as well but it touches on some of the nuances that the “breaking into my house” analogy doesn’t.

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      I don’t think it is a fair comparison to say breaking into someone’s house is equivalent to claiming asylum.

      I also personally just don’t understand the issue with increased immigration - it gives us a larger labor pool, and counteracts our declining population.

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        There’s a proper way to claim asylum, and it’s not swimming across the Rio Grande at midnight.

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          Yeah it just requires money, time and connections. People fleeing countries have all of those things right?

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                If you think the rules are unfair, work to change them. Every person walking across the border is giving a middle finger to the qualified LEGAL immigrants waiting YEARS to be naturalized, many of them with financial challenges of their own.

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                  Right, better that they die in their own country rather than seek asylum elsewhere and “give the middle finger” to those with more money, connections and time than they have.

                  Dying is bad but being disrespectful of unfair rules? Well nothing is worse than that.

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                    Maybe it’s unfair their own country isn’t helping them. Again, if you feel our rules are unfair there are mechanisms to change them. Ignoring them is not the proper approach.

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                    Sure, and you should just let random people off the street walk into your bedroom.

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                  Agreed! That’s why I think we should elect MORE REPUBLICANS who are LITERALLY blocking ALL Immigration Reform because they know it’ll hurt Biden!

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                    To make laws that man can not and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt. It is very important in a republic, that the people should respect the laws, for if we throw them to the winds, what becomes of civil government?

                    —Elizabeth Cady Stanton (1860)

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          Given the current policies of the Biden administration, my understanding is that most immigrants are actually going through the legal process of claiming asylum.

          Channel 5 did a little mini documentary about it that I personally enjoyed: https://youtu.be/2dQ4-VNaG3s

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            I fail to see how that legal process involves almost drowning in a river or becoming entangled in razor wire. We are talking about separate groups of people: some requesting asylum the LEGAL way and others taking a chance and YOLOing across the border.

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                So then why are people swimming across rivers and getting ensnared in razor wire, vs legally crossing at designated entry points? If they intend to surrender to border patrol, why not enter the US where the border patrol is present instead of sneaking across? In Tijuana, one can stand in line, get cleared by customs and enter the country. None of that has anything to do with razor wire.

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                  Because the entry points are closed.

                  https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

                  Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

                  They are actually following the legal process

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                    The entry points are closed? Not one person crosses the border from Mexico to the US each day?