Imagine living in a society so deeply fucked up that some people feel the need to become burglars and others feel the need that attacking them with deadly weapons is the only option.
And then imagine that this is celebrated.
Oh well…
Sounds pretty legit to me. It’s fucked people need to rob but you come to take someone’s things and you’re naive if you don’t think violence is a potential outcome.
and you’re naive if you don’t think violence is a potential outcome
Currently, of course. Point is, people can be better. On both sides. And instead of nurturing our compassion and collective support, we praise violence and let continue the wheel to roll which has already destroyed countless of lives.
It’s not the taking the things that’s the issue, it’s that the method of taking the things inherently comes with the either implicit or explicit threat of bodily harm or violence in order for the criminal to get what he wants. Nobody’s going to break into your house for your stuff, or leap out of a dark alley and demand your wallet, and when you tell them “no” just shrug and walk away. They’re going to shove a gun in your face or try to beat you up.
If you show up with the intent of employing force, you absolutely should not be surprised if people employ force against you in turn.
That, and if you want to stick it to The Man there are much more suitable targets than victimizing individual people who just as likely have it as tough as you do. Go knock over a Walmart or something. For fuck’s sake.
It’s just text on a screen. No idea of the details or even if it’s fabricated from whole cloth.
The only thing that’s important is the image of blood and terror and pain being worshipped by people who secretly yearn for the chance to inflict it on others.
Na, fuck that, This guy might be a saint with the most tragic relatable backstory imaginable but the last thing this kid should do is hesitate long enough to hear that story or believe it, also a kid just can’t fight back even if he could he shouldn’t take the chances, as far as him saying he cried like a baby, 🤷 you broke into my house dude you aren’t gonna be praised. This kid has every right to be proud, in this situation we are nothing but animals and he did exactly the right thing.
I don’t understand how this comment has been upvoted, especially as a response to another comment that boils down to “it sucks that people are driven to burglary and it sucks that people have to defend themselves with deadly force from burglary”
Because it’s an interesting point on its own. Upvotes aren’t necessarily agreement.
Saying “this kid has every right to be proud” about resorting to lethal violence is an “interesting point”?
No, you’d have to say a bunch of other stuff around that quote too.
The “bunch of other stuff around that quote” is them saying “fuck you” and then a bunch of chest thumping
Yes
Because when you’re a child alone in a house the motivation of an intruder just doesn’t matter and you shouldn’t make a kid feel bad for doing what was necessary in a life or death scenario.
No one in this thread is saying the kid should feel bad for defending himself, the original comment was pointing out how terrible it was for the kid to be in that position at all.
you broke into my house dude you aren’t gonna be praised
Of course not.
This kid has every right to be proud, in this situation we are nothing but animals and he did exactly the right thing.
So is it right to put deadly weapons into the hands of children?
What if he had killed the burglar? Good thing to have on the conscience of a child, right?Don’t get me wrong. I totally understand that in extreme situations people should defend themselves. But was this an extreme situation which justifies these actions?
What the child said is already deeply disturbing:
“I told him I was going to kill him if he didn’t get out of my house,” said Chris.
And why the fuck do children have access to weapons?
he grabbed a 9mm handgun
Then there is this:
The intruder made it out the front door, but that’s when Chris started firing off bullets. As the intruder was about to jump a fence, Chris’s 12th and final shot hit the bad guy in the leg.
( Citations from: https://www.wptv.com/news/national/chris-gaither-11-year-old-boy-shoots-intruder-who-cried-like-a-baby )
Intruder was outside, going away, and the kid started shooting.
The kid could’ve just ran away. Instead of trying to kill someone or getting themselves killed by such a behaviour.No. The kid shouldn’t be proud. Neither should anyone. That’s just fucked up. And raising kids to become possibly killers is not making it better overall.
He can be lucky not to have killed that man and that he (the kid) didn’t get seriously injured.People can and should be better than this.
Anytime someone forces their way into your home it’s an extreme situation. The kid shouldn’t have followed him past the threshold but beyond that whatever means necessary to protect himself is justified. No one should be worrying about the safety of their attacker when they are defending themselves. The invader could have ensured his own safety by simply not doing that.
but beyond that whatever means necessary to protect himself is justified. No one should be worrying about the safety of their attacker when they are defending themselves
Are burglars usually murderers? Don’t they usually care about stealing stuff to make some form of profit out of that?
I don’t share your view. You don’t need to kill someone in order to stop some form of crime. Especially not if there is no or a low risk of bodily harm.
Self defence only goes so far as to inrerrupt and disable an attack. The mildest means possible are the preferrable ones. For example, if some wants to beat you up, you don’t go on and kill them after you’ve defeated them and they’re unconscious on the ground.
In this case, the best the kid could’ve done is to just run away and call for help. It would’ve been safer for himself and prevented that he possibly might have become a murderer.Self defence has limits. And for good reason. You can’t just do anything you want, just because someone attacks you. You do what is necessary and possible for you. Nothing more, nothing less. Otherwise you yourself become a culprit.
Are burglars usually murderers? Don’t they usually care about stealing stuff to make some form of profit out of that?
Sometimes they are. Sometimes they’re rapists. There are some sick motherfuckers in this world. When I was a kid a woman just down the street was raped in front of her kids by three home invaders. You can’t know the intention of the person breaking into your home. The safest bet for yourself is to assume the worst. There’s no way to know their intentions until they act and by then it may be too late. Especially if you’re not trained in “the mildest means possible” or are smaller and weaker than the intruder. You don’t owe these people anything. They put you in this situation. If they invent a gun with a stun setting like in Star Wars by all means use that. Until then lethal force is the most expedient way to disable an attacker. You don’t execute them if it renders them no longer a threat but if they die that outcome is acceptable.
These kids are our future.
not if they stay in school long enough !
either thanks to education, or murica freedom bullets…
The only thing that can stop a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun.
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So many dumbasses who think Professor Barclay is being serious. It’s a joke. The guy did not die. It’s dark humor.
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Call the cops-…
Now you have two dummies Fortnite dancing over your dying body.
cop T-poses through the floor
t…f…
From 2016 … lets talk about the child that just killed their family/sibling/neighbor/school with daddy’s gun, too.
Which one from the last month, you ask ? Doesn’t matter … pick one.
Yes, but that’s not Le Epic Chad Uber Cool. You don’t get to experience glee at the thought of being this person.
Why would I want to read something that makes me feel bad? Good Feels Only.
I understand that it’s self defense, but does it feel weird to anyone else how comfortable a kid is with killing another person?? He doesn’t seem to have much remorse.
I got no proof other than my personal experiences growing up and observing kids while teaching them in groups at a school.
Children by in large seem to have little empathy for others. Children have little to no problem with bullying others without any emotional issues. Even to the point of pushing other kids to suicide. They have little regard for others and even less control over maturity.
I think empathy is something that you develop as you grow older. It’s more a mark of adulthood than childhood.
I don’t know about that. I think a lot of kids feel empathy from a young age, and bullying behaviors are rather caused by a harsh environment and how they are treated by other people, especially parents.
I’m not so sure. Children have a lot of desire and drive to monopolize an adult’s attention and resources. This I think gives any one child a leg up on getting the best resources to survive better. And you can see it when you work with a group of children. They will group around you jostling for the best position to be first and get the best from you. They do of course, get better with age and as they learn patience, but there is still a lack of empathy to be found in their base behavior.
After all, if you grew up with siblings, I’m quite sure your parents at some point in your early childhood told you “Be nice to your siblings! You love them!” more than once. Or some variation on that theme. And if you are a parent yourself, you have used that phrase at some point also. Because who has better reason to want to “kill” each other than brothers and sisters? They want to get as much of mommy and daddy as possible. Those resources are scarce and your natural drive is to fight to get them.
And hopefully, as children age they learn to get and show empathy to those around them. Most do, but some never quite manage it.
Sadly, this is very similar of my wife’s understanding of teaching kids from 11-18. Emotional intelligence is very different from standard intelligence, and it develops at different times for different people.
Sometimes it’s a pure lack of empathy, and other times it’s simply not being able to understand that people have their own shit they’re dealing with. It can be simple stuff like bullying someone going through a rough time at home/school, or showing zero remorse when a kid they’ve assaulted goes blind due to brain damage because “the kid was a fucking dweeb”. Some of the stories I’ve heard second-hand are absolutely fucking tragic, even in good schools.
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He didn’t kill the intruder.
Is it not possible that this photo was taken prior to the incident, and that the kid was bothered by the whole situation? I have a hard time taking the “little baby” comment too seriously. People act in very unusual ways when overdosing on adrenaline.
There is a news logo on the bottom. This is likely a still from an interview about the incident
The guy was shot in the leg. It doesn’t say in any of the news coverage that he died.
Clearly very overweight, shoots people and thinks he’s in the right. How very American.
He’s a kid. Shaming him for his weight and then assuming his mental state at the moment is not the “own” you think it is
Canadian here who thinks the kid was in the right and would still have been it he had aimed for center of mass instead of the leg.
Do you think people should be safe to carry out home invasions without occupants of the home being able to defend themselves?
Didn’t he shoot while the man was fleeing? I can understand though that it must have been a stressful situation for the kid, so I could forgive him for his actions. But I wouldn’t say it’s right to shoot a man that’s fleeing.
“Gaither says he followed the man outside and started shooting as the intruder fled with a clothes hamper.” https://globalnews.ca/news/2675426/he-started-crying-like-a-little-baby-11-year-old-shoots-suspected-home-invader/
Dude broke into his house, stole his stuff and threatened to kill him. Everyone has a right to defend themselves.
The guy lived, by the way. He was shot in the leg and was treated in hospital.
Wow that kid is so merciful, only a cautionary shot, what an example
Body shaming a child, ascribing a whole persona based on an abberant situation, then act absolutely smug about it all. How very European.
Children grow out of being overweight all the time. And the facts are that someone WAS breaking into this house that was occupied by a child. If there were no gun, perhaps this would have been a much different article.
sooooo… does this mean he’s becoming the school’s quiet kid or not ?
cant believe the amount of people feeling bad for the intruder
like, do you also feel bad if a nazi gets punched?
Some Lemmings have this weird idea that just because simple thieves don’t deserve death for stealing bread or whatever that home invasions shouldn’t be treated as deadly threats.
Now if you want to talk about a duty to retreat, or that when an invader flees you don’t have a right to shoot them in the back because they’re no longer a threat that’s one thing but it’s not even a matter of the “nuance” our resident hypocrites like to babble on about when it’s a kid and we don’t know what the invader was doing because it’s a shitpost meme and we don’t have the full story.
If he was stealing bread, as a former fat kid, I get it…but he would’ve been doing the kid a favor. Last thing he needs is more carbs.
…dude.
Wait until that intruder is a postal worker/drunk neighbor/ distant relative. Capital punishment is too severe.
yeah sorry buddy but if someone is forcing their way into my home, how the fuck am I supposed to know what their intentions are? I’m bashing their head in
Why is the postal worker letting themselves into my house and threatening with language like “I’ll F you up?”
Looooong list of punchable people in the US atm.
No but death is always tragic. It’s almost impossible to deserve death. You can defend yourself, but mocking someone you just killed is psychopath behaviour. Things like this don’t happen in other countries.
they definitely do happen in other countries. look up the necklacing incidents in Nigeria. If you look into it, you’ll find that many cultures do not take kindly to theft or b&e and respond in far more violent ways than you may expect.
Comparing the USA to Nigeria is delusional.
“this doesn’t happen in other countries”
“yeah it does actually”
“how dare you”
🤡
someone makes an argument: pick the most extreme adgecase imaginable where rule doesn’t apply while not addressing the problem at all 😎😎😎
The life expectancy of nigeria is 55. That’s 20 less than the world’s average (and apparently north korea?). I should have said developed country, sure. But the point stands. Murdering is not funny. The USA is one of the richest and most developed nations in the world, but is 57th in homicide rate (right behind zimbabwe to give some perspective)
nice soapbox bud, I suggest you go and start breaking into homes in finland or kosovo for example and see how long it takes before you find yourself full of holes
you never specified which countries can be compared
Ok? I didn’t say that I did. Doesn’t make it less delusional.
Yes, Nigeria appears to be more civilised.
Good thing the guy didn’t die then!
Death is not always tragic. Life is cheap and always had been. The natural world shows us how little the world cares about life and always has. Just accept this, try to be better than this and move on
Life is cheap in the red states.
He lived.
What a psychopath. Anyone wanna bet he becomes a cop?
Psychopathy as a diagnoses is bullshit. People disassociate in different ways during traumatic events and as a coping mechanism for heightened stress all the time, and this reads exactly like that.
This does clearly show the kid is well-conditioned for being a cop, though. He seems like he’d be great at ‘just following orders’. at the same time, he’d probably be good as a paramedic or a fireman too, since all those occupations require you to emotionally disassociate to get your job done effectively.
Stfu with that logic, get on the ACAB circlejerk train.
If only the kid was simultaneously defunded and had more training. Then they could have descalated everything.
Would you rather just let the kid be at the whim of the intruder? How much sympathy should a kid be expected to give to someone who broke into his home?
This could have easily turned into a barricaded suspect with a hostage.
A bloody body should trigger horror and disgust.
why? what benifit is there to being disgusted and horrified?
Your brain is pretty good at ignoring those kinds of reactions when adrenaline is pumping and you are worried about your own safety. Same reason people who are typically nonviolent can throw a good punch if assaulted. We are still animals and we have fight or flight instincts that trigger fast.
These people lead boring lives and never felt the effects of adrenalin.
Surgeons would disagree.
Oh yes. Totally normal people, those surgeons.
…Yes?
Unless, of course, this kid has access to television.
There’s a huge difference between defending yourself and mocking a person you just hurt.
The kid is 11, they probably don’t think much about the bigger picture in situations like this and hes probably just proud he’s alive and wanted to be funny cause hes on camera. I’d probably rub the bad idea in their face a bit to if someone broke into my home and threatened my family.
It isn’t like this kid just assaulted a random guy, there was a genuine threat here.
It isn’t like this kid just assaulted a random guy, there was a genuine threat here.
And that threat was running away when the child shot him in the back.
What sort of argument is that. Dude broke into a house. At that point he is a threat and doesn’t magically turn into a harmless person just because they turn around. They might just be jumping into cover to get their own gun. They might be running to a second burglar for help. The first rule in any emergency situation is your safety is paramount. Yours alone. A firefighter won’t jump into a burning building to save a puppy, a medic won’t risk his life to constrain a madman with a knife. They are there to do a specific job - and heroics only looks good on TV or in movies.
Judging situations in hindsight is always so easy. Being in that situation is something else entirely. But it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six. Again, your safety first - don’t administer aid on a running highway, don’t get closer to burning cars, don’t try to “save” someone getting beaten up. Don’t be a hero.
There is a difference between not jumping into a burning building and not shooting someone running away from you. Once they’re fleeing, shooting them is not self-defense just because you’re afraid they might come back in the future.
If you don’t believe that, when does it stop being self-defense? Maybe they’ll come back a decade from now, then surely it’s self-defense to break into their home and kill them in their sleep to protect yourself.
You’re talking like the dude was a harmless being who did nothing wrong.
Yes, shooting a human being in the back as they’re moving away from you is bad, however this hypothetical doesn’t apply in this story.
“When does it stop being self defense?” - not at them turning around. And I’d say you have a right to shoot them till the moment the police come to take over the situation / provide safety for you. Running after someone who is like 500m away to shoot them wouldn’t be self defense anymore obviously. And again - “self defense” isn’t a black and white situation. It’s grey enough where each case needs to be determined individually. But the “bias” belongs with the person whose house they broke into, not with the burglar. A burglar killing someone and saying “they had a gun!!” is 100% murder. A person overreacting / crossing a “line” in self defense deserves leniency if not straight up immunity.
Did you know that people who run away can also run back? People under stress don’t have the foresight to know if the threat is really over.
Discouraging shooting at fleeing people is good, but there will be situations where fleeing doesn’t mean the end of the threat so we can’t say it is always wrong. Like if someone said they would be back (not the case here), I would sure cut the defending person slack for shooting the fleeing person who threatened future violence.
The guy could have broken into the next house over and actually harmed someone. At least with the injury law enforcement was able to catch them.
The intruder had also already threatened to hurt/kill the kid, for all the kid knew the intruder could’ve planned on using the fence as concealment before using their own gun. Maybe the intruder was intending to come back later hoping to catch the kid sleeping and get some kind of revenge.
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Engrish hard.
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No person got hurt here.
Based take, criminals are not people
do you think getting insulted really hurt the intruder more than the bullet?
Mocking someone who is bleeding out in front of you is literal psychopath behavior.
RIP to the teachers who had to put up with you
That is just a super mean thing to say. There’s another person at the other end of the computers.
Maybe if he hadn’t said something idiotic and then belligerently doubled down, people wouldn’t figure that he must have been an insufferable child who gave his teachers headaches by being obstinate over nothing every day. With an attitude like his I reckon he probably fought tooth and nail against accepting PEMDAS. He should have been more considerate to people at the other end of the computers by not pinching off stupid ideas, but when he voluntarily chose to, he chose to accept criticism of it. I’m not being mean, I’m giving him what he asked for. If I wanted to be mean, I’d say that if I ever decide to kill myself I’ll climb up to his number of chromosomes and jump down to his IQ, but I don’t, so I won’t say that.
As the intruder walked down the stairs, “he told me he was going to kill me, f-you and all that,” Chris said.
The final shot hit the man in the leg as he was hopping the fence, the boy said.
The man was taken to a local hospital with injuries that were not life-threatening.
Context is everything and you don’t have any. I’d be mocking the meth head who tried to kill 11 year old me as well. This kid is a hero.
Wait the kid shot the man as he was trying to hop a fence and run away? Again, this is the behavior of actual psychopaths.
Gotta make sure they keep running.
Yes a child, not a grow adult with the ability to make perfect judgement calls, shot in the direction of his attacker. Then continued to shoot as the attacker was fleeing the scene.
Don’t be naive, a grown adult who was in a panic in that circumstance would not be viewed as a psychopath, let alone a child.
Context doesn’t help - laughing at someone you shot is extremely disturbing behavior. 10x so for a child.
The correct response is fear/adrenaline/panic or something to that effect.
Can you tell me more about how context isn’t important in this circumstance?
The child told news reporter this after the event occurred. We don’t even know whether or not he laughed like, “heh wow that was scary”. Or maniacally like the Joker.
Or if it was a lie to make himself look macho to his peers at school.
your life has never been threatened by another person and it shows. the kid probably was feeling a rush of both fear and then self confidence because he successfully defended himself, which manifested in clowning on the fucker who was trying to kill him. it’s very easy for you to judge and diagnose him from behind your screen but if you were in the situation, how do you know you’d act differently? or more likely you’d probably cower in the corner and get yourself killed because you’re too concerned with the intruder’s feelings to do anything about it
The correct response when shooting a criminal who broke into your home and threatened you is my, indeed, not to laugh, but to reload and keep shooting.
the correct response
There is no “correct” response to traumatic events
He survived. He was shot in the leg and got treatment in the hospital. The child did not stand over him while he was bleeding out. That part was a joke made by someone responding to the article.
Breaking into a house and threatening a child is pyschopath behavior.
The kid is 11, he is going to need a long time to process what has happen. There was adrenaline pumping, genuine risk to his life and a culture of self defense. Did you expect him to suddenly grab a medkit and approach someone larger and older than him who may not be fully incapacitated and already threatened him?
I don’t expect a kid to do much of anything after shooting a person, intruder or not, not mock them for being in pain of a literal bullet wound.
Granted if the parents taught him how to use a firearm they should also have taught him how to use a medical pack because accidents can and do happen with firearms and he should be able to patch up himself or someone else if an accident does happen.
The hell? Do not approach an intruder, get safe and get the police there, in that order.
No civilian should be approaching a wounder intruder. They could have a concealed weapon like a knife or a gun.
When the intruder broke in, they probably had a tough guy attitude and that attitude changed real quick when they felt pain.
I never said the kid should have actually gone over and given any kind of first aid, but he should still be taught basic first aid if his parents are teaching him how to use a gun.
It’s still psychopathic to mock someone who you just shot.
I was taught first aid in cub scouts by that age. I wouldn’t have done anything to help a threatening adult
I don’t think I would have shouted insults at him, but I wasn’t raised on games where you shoot people
Lol if someone breaks into my home the last thing I’m going to reach out for is a medkit.
Speak however you like to someone who just tried to kill you.
Have empathy for all
Who’s downvoting this?
People who think psychopathic behavior is desirable apparently.
I’ve found those sort of people to be pretty psychotic themselves.
It reads like a sign on the wall written in cursive at my aunt’s house.
I can emphatically understand how they feel, doesn’t mean I’m their bud.
Sounds very sheltered of you.
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What’s the over/under that his dad is one?
The intruder was his dad
Traveling from the future.
“I’ve always been a defender of justice. Like when I bravely defended my home at the age of 11”
The next Rittenhouse or Zimmerman more likely.
Ok…. Can this trend on news site die crying like a baby too?!??
What trend is the image showcasing? Repetition?
Yeah! You just want to read an article and it turns out it’s just the headline repeating over and over
SEO baby!
I thought you were just upset that it was demeaning to babies. Sort of like “throw like a girl”.
As someone who used to be a baby, I feel offended by this article. I didn’t cry like a home intruder.
After visiting some crime scenes etc … I know there is a human factor to both sides … Victim, criminal etc. But I just do not feel that much sympathy towards the criminal anymore. They had a choice. This time they chose poorly. Breaking into a house in any of the red states is Russian roulette. This time he just chose the loaded cylinder.
