Oh, so just like the bible then.
I just read the comment section on this very much christian-oriented article.Pretty fun to see these some smoothbrains squirm while getting beaten at their own game.
At least until you realize that these “pro-lifers” will just let you die for their own satisfaction and are, by all accounts, the enemy of every single women on the planet.
I won’t even call them that sarcastically.
They are anti-abortion. That’s as far as it goes. Never mind that they’re not interested in offering any sort of help with the child’s development, they’re not even interested in offering emergency medical care.
If the choice to them is either the fetus is aborted and dies or the fetus isn’t aborted and both it and the mother die, they want the latter. Because it’s God’s will.
I try to never miss an opportunity to inject St. George into the convo whenever this topic arises.
It should be so easy.
“God created doctors. Therefore, abortion is also part of God’s plan.”
But you can’t logic someone out of a position they didn’t logic themselves into.
By that logic, you could justify pretty much anything.
Yeah, that’s kinda odd the whole point of religion.
Are you asking why evil exists? It’s because either we have evil in the world, or every human being is a slave. Would you rather be free, or a slave?
All these English words strung together in a manner that makes no sense to me. Can you elucidate your point, por favor?
Sure. If God made us so we could never do anything wrong, we would be lower than slaves - we’d be programmed robots. It seems that God would rather have people who are able to choose to do good or wrong rather than be forced to do only good. Would you rather be free to choose to do right - be free - or would you rather be unable to do anything wrong ever - be a slave/robot?
Your comment inspired me to go check it out, and I have to agree, it’s pretty funny. Whomever this Khorne person is (fucking GREAT name for this situation), they’re ripping them to shreds. Pun intended.
IRL “my own religion with blackjack and hookers”. Good on them.
I just wish their clinics could be physical rather than telehealth.
And I hope they come up with good plans to counter Louisiana’s new Ten Commandments law and Oklahoma’s put the Trump Bible in schools bullshit too.
It ought to be done in a mouldering graveyard with torches, laser pentagrams, and a fog machine, but sadly the assholes would spoil the fun
That, and the mouldering part would not exactly be a sanitary environment for a medical procedure.
I’ve seen some pretty clean graves in my time, they’ll surprise ya
Yea it seems like the Church of Satan was set up for the same reason as the Church of England, to get one guy laid (Anton Lavey and Henry VIII respectively) but the Temple of Satan is doing necessary work keeping the Christian right at bay in the land of the free
Careful, it’s the Satanic Temple, not the Temple of Satan. Religions being what they are, you could be accidentally founding a new sect.
Splitters!
I don’t begrudge it. Getting laid is the #1 reason to get into the occult. Better that than trying to make money
Wait
Is that like a thing? Cause like I’m totally into the occult if that’s a thing it turns out
Ask Aleister Crowley. Oh wait, he’s too busy having been the preeminent power-bottom of the 20th century.
Better ask Peter Carroll, the pontiff of chaos. Oh wait he’s too busy with the tantric sex scene in London.
Ask L. Ron Hubbard instead, oh wait he’s busy stealing Jack Parsons’ wife. You could ask Jack Parsons, I guess.
Hmmm. I guess I didn’t really consider them occult, but you make a very good point.
In my head I was thinking “join crazy religion get laid” but that’s more like “start crazy religion get laid” and ain’t no one got time to start a crazy religion
You can also just become a magus to get in with goth girls. You might have to read some stuff… And don’t lend anyone money.
Whenever the topic of abortion comes up I just remind individuals that the right to abortion is a religious freedom Jews have. But they usually respond with ‘Kill the kike,’ or ‘Free Palastine,’ or ‘Go perform more genocides.’
Isn’t it great? We get to debate monsters logically and in good faith while they laugh in our faces and rake the coals of hell.
You mean to tell me that Massachusetts is allowing abortion services due to locally voted on state laws that mesh with the ideology of the local?! You are telling me that a private entity is offering these services
at no cost(OOPSY POOPSIE! There is cost involved to the person seeking the service. Not exactly the “MAKE TAXPAYERS PAY” service that proponents were looking for) to the customer?! You’re gonna stand there, owning an abortion stand, and tell me that the system is working exactly the way it was designed to work?!!!OH NO!! Anyway…
Great news. I’m not sure why someone felt the need to link to a Christian Post article about it, which completely mis-represents TST and their goals.
Good for the Satanic Temple.
Time for the 10 abortion laws on the wall and the abortion bible and abortion prayer after games.
The facility, named the Samuel Alito’s Mom’s Satanic Abortion Clinic
Heh.
SAMSAC for short
Despite its name, TST is not affiliated with the Church of Satan
I find it really funny that they need to call this out given the thousands of different Christian churches that all have varying degrees of affiliation or animosity with each other and often nearly indistinguishable names.
At the same time, this kind of confusion is essential to TST tactics. If everyone knew and understood that they are a morally upstanding institution, they’d lose a lot of their scare-tactic leverage when asking to join in on bringing “religion” into public institutions. Bad optics are the whole game here.
Part of the reason is they have very different goals from each other. The Satanic Temple is primarily a secular organization that promotes scientific principles, separation of church and state, and education. The Church of Satan on the other hand has a long and often troubled history with an at best ambiguous take on secularism and promotes a mild form of hedonism. Compared to most religions the Church of Satan is fairly benign, although still far more controversial than TST.
Oh yes of course there’s very good reasons for the different organizations. Personally I’ve been a bit turned off by some of the stuff TST has been doing and more interested in the Global Order of Satan (GOS).
I just think it’s funny how Christians don’t seem to have any problems separating (and feuding against) the hundreds of thousands of different denominations, many of which have nearly identical names. But two different organizations with 0 words in their name in common is apparently too confusing for them to handle.
But it’s really weird and sinister to even bring up the Church of Satan. The Church of Satan purposefully does not publish numbers, but the best estimates I can find have them peaking at 300 members. They haven’t been relevant since the 80’s when LaVey got in front of the media during Satanic Panic. TST might have more congregations than CoS has members.
It would be like saying “the Roman Catholic Church, which is different from Christian Scientists”.
Personally I’ve been a bit turned off by some of the stuff TST has been doing and more interested in the Global Order of Satan (GOS).
Not familiar with anything they’ve done that’s distasteful, I just keep seeing them rub fundies noses in their own shit. Could you elaborate for someone who’s OOTL?
I’ll admit I’ve never been a member of either organization, but I have friends who were TST members and last year a good chunk of that congregation split off to join GoS. And they’ve since helped others so the same. So this is basically how they’ve described it to me.
From Wikipedia, it looks like GoS started in 2018 as a UK split-off for various concerns. Wikipedia focused on specific issues the UK branch had, but I was also told a huge factor was the logistics and goals. TST is a very US-focused organization that puts a lot of resources into US legal battles. They also had strict controls over branding, policies, and structures that just didn’t suit them.
The main reason for the schism in my local chapter was more specific. TST regularly streams online services and last year had a leader from a chapter who advocated for welcoming, accepting, and celebrating people regardless of sexual preference. Which sounds great…, except he also explicitly called for the inclusion of pedophiles as part of LQBTQ+. Despite pedophilia being in direct opposition to tenents 1 and 3. The local chapter (and several other chapter) complained to their national representatives and the response was… Nothing. No statement from the national organization, no consequences for that leader. Just swept under the rug.
Also of significance was allegedly there was some sort of documentary released in 2023 called “The Lies of the Satanic Temple” by Dead Domain that claims to expose fraud and abuse from TST leadership. I have not watched it (although coincidentally I have watched a couple of her videos on videogames- she had a really interesting interview with the creators of Paradise Killer), but I heard that it caused several other congregations across the country to split off of TST.
GOS is much less centralized. It’s more of a collection of guidelines, resources, and suggestions. Some chapters keep their own branding, like the House of Heretics in Seattle.
From an outsider’s perspective, it seems to me like GOS is more focused on replacing the role of the church in an individual’s life with a secular alternative. They do charity work like adopt-a-highway, food drives, clothing drives, etc. A lot of the members are young, queer, alternative people, and if their families disowned them they don’t have a support system. They have support for things like non-religious sobriety programs. I almost get the impression it’s like a religious rehab for people who grew up in very restrictive or abusive churches. At Pride this year the local chapter was doing “un-baptisms”. They have potlucks and parties and other social events. I think some of these things they might have carried over from TST.
They keep a much lower profile than TST. They don’t engage in the legal battles that TST does, and a lot of the people I know who left TST still respect the organization for fighting that fight. Personally… I’m really confused as to why GOS still keeps the “satanic” imagery of TST because I thought the point of that was to serve as a counterpoint to Christians in those legal battles.
Personally I’m just introverted and not interested in all that “community” and “networking”. But I’ve donated to both organizations for the work they do.
As a current member of, and donor to, The Satanic Temple, that pedophile situation has me really reevaluating. I’ll certainly watch that documentary. Thanks for looking out!
Same. Dead Domain came up via The Friendly Atheist Podcast a couple weeks ago, so there’s some name recognition there. I’ve championed TST and donated, but this is troubling.
I’m going to remain skeptical of this. It’s a well known Christian/conservative tactic to use pedophelia as a deterrent to anything they disagree with.
Also, it’s a lot of “I was told” content.
If it is true, yeah- it definitely requires a rethink of support towards them for sure.
Yeah it sounds like something mainstream media would accuse TST of doing. Like, I strongly suspect that most of the “movements” to include pedophiles in diversity conversations are really just bigots astroturfing because that just makes more sense.
And I still think it’s worth supporting TST just for the legal work they do alone.
Well ultimately I think it’s because the differences between the various Christian sects are very minor and trivial. At the end of the day any Christian church is going to agree on all the major points, they’ve just spent nearly 2000 years bikeshedding the unimportant details. In contrast the various “satanic” churches are very different organizations. I think a better comparison would be if for instance Hubbard had decided to call his scam religion Christianology instead, and then you’d see little notes popping up all over the place that say “The church of X is not affiliated with Christianology”. The closest to that that has actually happened is with the Mormon church, but since that doesn’t have Christ or Christian in the name anywhere the difference is obvious.
Another important factor is that TST is actually attempting to promote itself and the beneficial work it does so it cares about its image. Not being associated with CoS and its checkered past is important to cut off some of the drama that could be stirred up by people conflating the two even if CoS is largely defunct now.
Quick point of clarification, the official name of the Mormon church is, “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.” They don’t actually want to be called Mormons, and instead ask to be called LDS for short. Also, they consider themselves a protestant sect.
All that said, the Mormons are bad and nobody should join them.
OOH
So that church that I heard was using its non-profit status to create an untaxable 32 billion dollar investment portfolio that got exposed for using 13 shell companies to hide the holdings from the public was a Mormon one! Who could have guessed!
Honestly, the level of trolling here…they should have named it the First Dioses of Presbyterian Seventh Day Angelicans Abortion Clinic.
This “news site” is a train wreck, jesus fucking christ (pun intended).
What do you expect from CP lovers?
666 upvotes, nice
Miscarriages, however, even at three to five weeks, often last hours and are accompanied by severe, painful cramping and excessive hemorrhaging.
Gotta make it sound scary.
Multiple pro-life advocates and abortionists have expressed concern that ordering abortion drugs online puts the health and safety of women at risk. Among their concerns is the lack of an in-person consultation with a doctor to learn how far along they are or determine if the woman’s pregnancy is ectopic.
Oh no! They aren’t checking whether an unwanted preggers is ectopic before killing it anyway! Monsters.
“I thought I was going to die, and nobody cared,” she added. “And because of what I went through, no woman should ever have to go through that. Women deserve the truth. And when people are only hearing half of the story, somebody has to stand up.”
Abortion pills will fuck you up, don’t take them. Better to risk your life. And I definitely believe that no one cared that this woman was suffering, because Planned Parenthood definitely doesn’t care about women. /s
I knew someone who volunteered at Planned Parenthood. She was the most feminist person I’ve ever met and cared deeply about the safety of women. Christian Post can eat a bag of dicks. The Satanic Temple is awesome and could use your donations, if you have the means.
Miscarriages are serious though. Abortions are a serious procedure. Imo women should be able to take a week off work if they have a miscarriage or get an abortion for any reason.
Yes, I absolutely think it’s laughable that these drugs along with birth control require a prescription. I’m not sure if you’re a woman, but I will say that doctors NEVER check contraindications with these drugs. Eg no one with migraines should take estrogen-based birth control, yet they never check this. So why even require I GO to a doctor for this, when the doctor can’t even be bothered to read the product insert like I do. Genuinely pointless to have to go to them. And genuinely MOST early abortion drugs fall into this category as well.
Yes, our healthcare system is an absolute abomination and a national embarassment. That’s why women feel unsafe- not because they are getting lifesaving access to abortions.
I knew a catholic family, like ultra catholic, who got an abortion approved by the church. It’s funny, church-sanctioned murder, right? From their PoV? The fetus had not developed any kidneys - this was a later term abortion, even. But if the baby was born, it would 100% die an agonizing death as it was slowly poisoned by its lack of kidneys over a day. Who wants to watch God torture a baby to death? No one. So the church approved it. What fucking cowards, what assholes. These people are the same ones who’d get ride of abortion access, yet here they are using it because when it’s THEM who has to witness agonizing horrors, suddenly it’s a valid medical procedure again.
Jfc. Fuck whoever wrote this article. It’s full of inaccurate depictions of the satanic temples. Straight up fucking lies. Nothing new for christians I suppose
“Christian” journalists are not known for objectivity given the source material of their religion.
Alternate RELIGION ( not “religion” ) give women a choice about their body after consulting with licensed medical professionals instead of depending on politicians to decide their choices for them.
Fix the titled for you.
Full disclosure my religion is the TST. Have a certificate and everything!
o One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
o The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
o One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
o The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
o Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.
o People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
o Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
If you believe the above, you too can be a member of the TST!
