The poll shows that public views of Musk are increasingly polarized, with Republican support of the billionaire rising while Democratic support falls.
Elon Musk’s support among Democrats has withered to a new low as he has embraced Republican politics, according to a national NBC News poll.
Only 6% of Democrats in the poll, which was conducted Sept. 13-17, said they had positive feelings about Musk, while 79% said they had negative feelings. The numbers were flipped for Republicans, with 62% having positive feelings toward him and 14% negative feelings. Independents were split, 31% to 36%.
The poll shows that views of Musk are increasingly polarized, reflecting the transformation of his public image in recent years from that of an environmentally aware automaker crusading against fossil fuels to that of a conservative activist aligned with former President Donald Trump.
Is that the 6% that are buying Tesla’s? Seriously though it’s not like the right are buying his electric cars
Might be the folks that are all about SpaceX?
Well, that’s kind of fair I don’t hate SpaceX either. They seem to keep him at arms length.
I’ve heard that they have people on payroll specifically to keep Elon as far away as possible from operations.
Why are we doing popularity polls on billionares? Unless he’s running for office the default for all normal Americans should just be eat the rich.
Who are the 6% that identify as Democrats?
I’m surprised it’s not a negative number.
6% is waaay too high
I can only see ‘being a billionaire’ as ‘stealing from the population at large’. So you’re saying the biggest thief of society is still popular among 6% of democrats.
And yet we are supporting his monopoly on smart electric vehicles with tariffs.
The fuck is wrong with that 6%?
They bought a Tesla and now feel like they have to defend their decision
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They are stock holders, left holding the bag.
Haha I think I met one!
Dude was a eco-friendly pro-Kamala pro-weed driving a Tesla.
When I made a joke about buying a Tesla before Elon went crazy, he kinda sheepishly shrugged and then excitedly talked about all the new things Tesla is coming out with.
Being excited about technological progress at Tesla or SpaceX doesn’t mean you’re a fan or supporter of Musk. These companies are full of thousands of engineers doing this work while the absentee CEO is spending his time shitposting and driving Twitter into the ground.
He’s holding them back with his ego.
True. If the engineers and market experts would have had a say in this, they would have made a Micro-Van.
6 Seats, 3.5x1.8 meters, 300km range, flat pack floor folding seats in the back… AND ALLOWED IN EUROPE FOR NOT BEING A PEDESTRIAN KILLING MACHINE.
So like the IdBuzz?
Yeah but maybe smaller. Real innovation needs courage. A K-Car sized Utilitarian Tesla could have lead the way, but they literally fucked up badly.
Where is the Roadster 2 btw?
I’d love someone to make a small (at least by today’s standards) electric pickup similar to a 90s ranger or S10. If there was a cargo van I’d certainly consider it though.
Remember when small trucks were small? I remember. My 2008 Tacoma (which used to be a small truck) seems about the same size as a 90s model Silverado.
I remember the late 90s Tacomas and S10s. I want them back.
But, I do think we hit critical mass because newer ones seem to be shrinking again… I think.
I 100% agree with that and think they need to kick him to the curb. What influence and publicity he could generate for the companies 10 years ago is now long gone and has now transformed into a giant liability.
I’m honestly shocked that the board hasn’t gotten rid of him yet. he’s just a massive source of problems for them. My suspicion is that he is so good at creating controversy that they can time their watches to it, so to speak, and buy/sell their positions in the company while Elon takes all the heat from the SEC for insider trading, not the crooked board members who know he’s a total whacko but acknowledge the reality that he has a lot of gullible techbros with too much money on their hands hanging on his every word and they will rush to buy Tesla stock or Dogecoin or whatever if Elon says he’s making market moves when he’s actually running his classic pump-and-dump schemes.
There’s gotta be some truth to this as I was astounded that they approved that $50+ billion payout that he recently received after threatening to quit. In recent years, Tesla has really floundered and is rapidly losing marketshare with each passing day mostly due to Musk’s actions. In what world does that deserve a singular payout valued higher than most corporations earn in an entire year?
It’s important to take Tesla and SpaceX at face value and not to extrapolate future success based on what they’ve accomplished.
Full Self Driving super soon except you still need to intervene regularly and also robotaxis will never work so it’s pointless anyway!
Waymo is already operating fully autonomous self driving taxis in SF. Price point is about the same as uber/lyft, a bit cheaper since no yip. And they are all hella nice Jaguars. The difference is Waymo uses lidar and radar to make it work (and also did intensive mapping of city streets). Still needs a lot of work to scale (they do dumb things, but so do human drivers, and are limited to the city so I can’t take one to or from my home in Berkeley yet) but they fully exist and are a viable option today.
I know, I’m in the industry.
Damn, got removed from your job by down votes. Sorry, that sucks.
Man, after years as a valet ages ago I’m so anti Jaguar. Every single time one came through, it had problems. Owners constantly griped about it being in and out the shop a bunch. Nice at a glance, but plenty of the “luxury” brands are apparently made with fucking plastic and band aids.
Waymo sucks. They get stuck a lot, tend to cost as much or more than Uber and Lyft, and you basically hope they don’t get stuck trying to navigate around situations because you basically wait until remote assistance fixes it. Also, if you live anywhere near where they park the things, you want Waymo to die in a fire because they honk. ALL. NIGHT. LONG.
Why do they honk?
They are actually controlled by goose brains. AI is a scam!
They get confused and think they are sitting in traffic that isn’t moving, so they occasionally let out a honk. Multiply it by dozens of vehicles and it’s just a cacophony of honking cars with nobody in them.
5 years.
Pinky swear.
Oh, and Mars… 2025. I meant 202025
The worst part is we could definitely have a mars base with today’s technology.
It’s just not economically or scientifically necessary to set up. Robots can do 99% of what a human can on mars, scientifically speaking, and if they break we can just build another one. If someone dies on mars, it’s gonna global news for weeks.
And mars doesn’t exactly have a huge open pit of platinum or something we want to mine, so there’s no economic incentive to set up a colony.
Musk just wants to sell the sci-fi vaporware fantasy to shareholders because SpaceX has one viable product and he’s desperate for no one to notice that.
SpaceX has one viable product
Two. I can’t even figure out whether you’re ignoring Starlink or their space launch business. But yeah, the Elonville on Mars obsession makes about as much sense as the Cybertruck.
Mars, but only if Trump wins, per the latest news.
Which is good because mars will be about the only inhabitable planet in the solar system if Trump has another term.
This is exactly where my mind went. Bravo.
Why was there even a poll for this?
The poll is 26 pages long
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25171447-240405-nbc-september-2024-poll_922-release
It’s just a few triangulated facts derived from the overall results. This is how almost all polling works.
Lizardman constant strikes again.
They’re probably mostly part of the ~8% of Democrats who lean conservative according to Pew’s political typology.
That number seems way too low with how far over to the right the party has become in recent years. There’s almost zero progressive representation.
I doubt the gradual rightward shift of the Democratic party was a grass roots movement.
You almost always have a few percent of nonsensical responses in a poll. People who hate sandwiches but love peanut butter and jelly stuck between two pieces of bread. It’s so consistent that the lack of it is an indication the poll was rigged or badly done.
Why is musk’s(and Swift’s) popularity newsworthy? Unless they are trying to run for office, who cares?
You must be new. This is America we are talking about.
Yep, it’s not like we can vote him out.
Because they have lots of money and influence among the 18-35 demographic. Would I prefer if news corps didn’t cover their every move and thought? Yeah I would, but unfortunately news featuring Musk and Swift gets clicks which drives advertising.
Musk has continued to interfere with politics over and over again. From donations, to censorship, to being a weird fucking creep to female politicians.
Swift was dragged in there because Donald Trump shared fake AI images of her supporting Donald. To fix the blowback, Swift said, “Ew you old filthy pedo, I’m not doing that”. (Don’t quote me)
Its newsworthy because it’s news.
So Musk is a creepy dickhead. That’s not news. It’s been apparent for quite a while now
Musk bought one of the biggest social media platforms expressly to manipulate news, which in turn manipulates politics and markets.
He’s basically like a narcissistic Rupert Murdock who wants to make his manipulation all centered around how cool he is.
That’s news.
Taylor Swift is just filler content. It’s taking the place of worlds largest cookie stories. But the reason it gains traction is that she has taken on a bit of a counter persona to the Right’s habitual sexism. She’s an influential woman. The Right can’t stand that shit.
It was news when he bought the platform. It was news when advertisers boycotted his platform. It was news when it first became a far right cesspool. It’s news when X finally capitulated to the Brazilian government.
His approval rating doesn’t matter and isn’t news. His continual support of far right figures isn’t news unless he is supporting someone new.
Do we report about Steve Ballmer or Tim Cook’s approval ratings? No. Because it doesn’t matter. It’s not news. Stop giving Musk attention he doesn’t deserve. We shouldn’t be talking about him. He craves the spotlight. Don’t give it to hin
Ugly, gross, cringe, white cucks aren’t my thing either. May be the one thing I share with the libs.
Leftists ≠ Libs. The Libs were split 31% to 36% in this poll.
Admittedly the Democrats aren’t leftists.
Something to avoid- standing near a parked Tesla with sentry mode enabled drains its battery significantly as it tracks you. Locating a camera and displaying a paper sign, one light enough to blow in the wind that reads “musk sucks”, would accomplish the same thing, and should also be avoided.
While funny… I think you underestimate how big the battery in a Tesla is and also how little power the computer would pull.
THAT said… I wonder if there is a drive somewhere that could be filled doing that?
From what I understand, it wastes an extra ~2%/hr. A tragic sum, if done repeatedly throughout the week. I think it overwrights old data as the drive fills. I can’t see utility in that, aside from mischievously scrubbing old footage.
It’s nowhere near 2% an hour. It’s like ~300w/h to keep it all running, and they said they were going to reduce that further by 40% in the near future, so ~180w/h
300w/h on a 62kw/h (model 3 standard range) battery is 0.48% an hour. You’d lose 3.82% for an 8h workday, and soon to be 2.29%
And the % would decrease as the battery is larger like a long range vehicle.
I’m not saying this is ideal, but 2%/h is just flat out wrong, and almost a whole order of magnitude after the update.
What’s W/h? Watts per hour?
I was just relaying what I’d read in the Tesla forums a few weeks ago. Evidently, they embellished a bit.
w/h ?
Watts per hour
Although it should be it uses 300w/h on a 62kwh battery.
I did the battery unit wrong.
Yeah and what does that unit mean, acceleration of power draw?
The battery has the power for 62,000 watts hours. Sentry mode (pretty much leaving the computer on) draws 300 watts per hour.
So you could leave sentry on for 62,000 / 300 hours or 206 hours before it kills the battery before the update. (Edit on a standard range model 3)
Edit: so ya it’s power draw, no acceleration, just power draw.
Sentry mode turns off at 20%
Still too high.
“I, a genius, will alienate the group who want EVs to curry favor with the group who will never buy EVs. Genius, I say.”
He has to satisfy the guys they fronted him the billions he needed to buy and destroy Twitter.
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The ROI is the destruction of a social media platform that enabled global protest and solidarity movements toward equality and equity of the lower and middle classes against our global elite; anti hijab movements, women’s equal rights in Muslim countries, black lives matters in western countries, the revolution in France over the retirement age, to name a few.
Edit: and let’s not forget the impact this has had on growing conservative movements, increased foreign interference in US politics, and the weakening of western democracy.
Maybe he’s playing 5D chess and is secretly making Conservatives want EVs.
He’s not, though.
He’s not a good 2D chess player unfortunately.
He’s just seeing what Trump and the GOP are planning for the US and hopes he’ll be one of the oligarchs at the top in the end.
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Fuck Elon
Fuck Tesla
Fuck Xitter
Fuck Spa Sex
Fuck Starlink
Did I miss anyone? Oh yes, and Fuck Elon.
I’m guessing there’s some story with spa sex? “Elon Spa Sex” isn’t a search term I’m willing to enter.
Pretty sure it’s an autocorrected “SpaceX”
Or just a pun that went over my head. Either way, thanks for the answer!
Neuralink.
Fuck that shit, too.
(Especially when you learn about thiel and the other tech Bros plans to harvest humans for biofuel by keeping them alive and hooked up in a virtual world. As a more “humane alternative to genocide”)
https://newrepublic.com/article/183971/jd-vance-weird-terrifying-techno-authoritarian-ideas
Behind the Bastards recently did a two-parter on Yarvin with Ed Helms as a guest. It’s depressing but good, as per usual.
Why do these people keep looking at the Matrix as a manual instead of a warning?
One of my super tinfoil theories is that all mainstream science/speculative fiction is a psyop not meant to warn, but to desensitise us to the dystopia.
Obviously, that would just seem crazy…
On an unrelated note:
I was about to post a snarky reply about Star Trek as the exception, and then realized their bioconservatives won the “Eugenics Wars”.
Qanon is all about the galactic federation, if you didn’t already know.
See upper right:
It’s a little confusing because the image is cropped.
Sorry, yeah, it would make more sense if you could see the yeti, samsquanch, Elvis overlord section.
Fuck Spa Sex
What did spa sex ever do to you tho?
No sex nor spa.
Got an UTI ☹️. 🔥🥒
It ruined Myspacex
The Boring Company, fuck them, too.
Christ, he’s ACTUALLY managed to hit the Lizardman Constant with the dems.
Now hit it with the Repubs too. Come on Trump. You wanna turn on your ally. You wanna turn on your ally and throw him to your cult soooooo badly. It’ll be really funny I promise
Trump is easy to manipulate. Go on Truth Social, astroturf the shit out of the idea that Musk is going to backstab Trump. Sit back and enjoy the show.
Many many people are saying it. Trump would have won if Musky Leon actually was a man of his word and ran those Trump ads on X. He promised $45 million of ads during the RNC, but Leon ended up just charging $45 million for the first ad.
