US President Joe Biden has said he is not confident there will be a peaceful transition of power if Donald Trump loses the presidential election in November.
"[Trump] means what he says, we don’t take him seriously. He means it, all this stuff about ‘if we lose it will be a bloodbath’.”
Mr Trump’s comment that it would “be a bloodbath for the country” if he loses the election, made as he was talking about the auto industry in March, triggered a wave of criticism.
The Trump campaign, however, said the comment was specifically about the auto industry and had been deliberately taken out of context. It sent a fundraising email which said Trump’s political opponents and others had been “viciously” misquoting him.
Gee, you think the guy who was the first president not to support a peaceful transfer of power, who tried to subvert the government by an organized mob, and who hasn’t expressed any wrongdoing at all might not be nice about it this time?
My only quibble is that the transfer of power itself will be fine, because it would be between Biden and Harris. Trump wouldn’t have any official power, and anything he and his supporters do couldn’t be interpreted as official acts.
None of use are, Joe. None of us.
But there’s been so many.
“Dictator on day one”
“You won’t have to vote anymore”
Those are just the two off the top of my head as I’m heading back into work on my lunch break.
Everything bad Trump ever says is either “a joke” or “out of context.”
Weird how often he says things that everyone things he means and then he doesn’t mean them. I sure wouldn’t vote for a guy like that. He’s weird.
What’s even in context for him? He jumps around so much there is no context.
This is his one strength. He can dog whistle as much as he wants because he always carefully chooses his words to add some sort of plausible deniability or innocent interpretation. So his base hears what he can’t fully say out loud yet and the media has to carefully tiptoe around interpreting it or lose credibility to his base
There’s nothing carefully chosen about it. He just vomits so many words it overwhelms the brain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
It sent a fundraising email
Trump’s response to everything, good, bad, indifferent, or wildly spun
Isn’t it kind of his job to make sure there is?
Not his job to control an unabashed pathological liar from lying… again. And not even convincingly!
Yeah.
So he just lets congress get overrun again by a violent insurrection while taking the votes. Cuz that’s not his job… no sir-e.
That’s not what I said… so… no.
I can’t control what you do just like can’t control me. It’s on Donny to control himself and not insight another potential coup. No one can force the little cry baby to act like an adult. He has to do that himself.
All Biden can do is try to mitigate the consequences of another 80 year olds tantrum
All Biden can do is try to mitigate the consequences of another 80 year olds tantrum
ultimately, when those tantrums threaten the constitutionally recognized government, then it’s Biden’s job to, you know. Defend that government. as mandated by that constitution and as he swore to do.
yes. it’s a very ugly place we’re coming to.
that’s why he’s paid the middle-bucks.
You can’t control anyone shy of putting them in prison which obviously isn’t happening. He’ll do what he can, but come on man, look what happened last time. They built gallows lol. It’s like trying to hold water, it’s uncontrollable nonsensical chaos from a whiny trust fund kid with a cult following.
He’s gunna do what he does and Biden will do his best to mitigate the tantrum.
In almost 1/4 of a century only 1 republican has won the popular vote and not even in both terms and only 1 guy refuses to admit it even after 8 years of being proven wrong.
Yes, but there’s only so much he can do. Of course there are things he can do to prepare for violence, both directly and in coordination with state governors. That said, if people want to protest, they’re going to protest. The way things are, there’s a fine line between maintaining the peace and oppression. Republicans have, for years, been laying the groundwork for the oppression argument. It’s easy to say, “who cares” to that, but if enough people think they’re being oppressed by the government, things will get more violent.
No. The danger here is GOP-controlled states refusing to certify a Trump loss, and the Federal government/Biden doesn’t have any power over that.
refusing to certify is one thing, and isn’t necessarily violent.
if the transition of power is not peaceful, that’s an entirely different manner, and yes Biden has the power to deal with that.
Refusing to certify may send it to the house, where each state gets one vote. It would be a coup
Corrupt election boards trying to throw the election to a corrupt House or corrupt SCOTUS is what causes violence.
Of course he has the power to deal with it.
But I think any sane person would hope that he isn’t put in the position to need to deal with it.
Naturally.
I predict riots regardless of who wins.
The only way to avoid it is if either side wins with a landslide, showing that the majority of the country is for the elected winner.
A landslide will convince people it was rigged.
I doubt it. trump appears to have lost a lot of persuasive power.
If Harris wins, I’m pretty sure all the conservatives are going to slink back under rocks for the next few years.
If Harris wins, a lot of places where Trump “should have” won are going to falsely claim fraud and refuse to certify their votes, leading to another Jan 6.
The damage Trump and his ilk have done to this country by undermining the public trust in some of the best run elections in the world is incalculable. It will be decades if ever before that damage is undone.
Yep. Guaranteed they’ve already figured out the specific people they need to put pressure on when the time comes.
Here in Georgia, I’ve got a front-row seat:
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(12 days ago) American Oversight Files Emergency Motion to Prevent Illegal Georgia State Election Board Rules From Taking Effect
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(yesterday) New Georgia rules let local boards withhold election certification
(Reminder: Georgia is the state that not only went blue in 2020, but also saved the Democratic majority in the Senate.)
What. The. Fuck.
So they just don’t certify results they don’t like.
The three board members who voted for it – Dr Janice Johnson, Rick Jeffares and Janelle King – were praised by name three days ago by Donald Trump at an Atlanta campaign rally.
This smells like corruption.
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I would respectfully disagree with that assessment.
Even if 2024 is a huge enough electoral wipe out that Trump and his MAGA base are embarrassed to follow through on the violence they’ve been promising for years. Yes, Republicans might slink away and hide.
But they will rebrand and be back within a few months. We’ve seen this before at the start of the Obama Presidency’, when the fall out from the G.W. Presidency showed that Republicans had shit the bed sooo hard, even hard core Republicans that I knew denied they ever supported W. (Even though a few had fucking pictures of the asshat on their office walls for years.)
But the useful idiots that make up the core of the Republican base were back in a few months as “Tea Party” Republicans. Fully funded and promoted Koch and other billionaires. All those hard core W. supporters suddenly got angry and jumped on that band wagon.
Make no mistake they will be back, even in the best case scenario. (Which I very much doubt will happen.)
Anything less than a 60/40 win (either way) and it’s gonna get crazy.
Well, guess I better Pokemon Go to the polls.
That is still so fucking cringe, even all these years later.
Ironically it’s the most memorable thing Hillary Clinton has said aside from “it takes a village”.
Well, he’s got the most powerful “security” apparatus in the world under his command. The charge of the yokels on mobility scooters shouldn’t be a problem to deal with.
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lol classic biden
come on joe, it’s been established that you can “say it like it is”:
trump is going to incite riots and violent insurrection, he’s going to demand the military stage a coup, he’s going to call for civil war. trump is 100% going to attempt 1/6 ver 2.0 and there isn’t a human being over 5 on the planet who doesn’t know that to be the case
The military is going to laugh at him. And then line up to protect the capitol from him. Some idiots might try to do something but the military as a whole is not going to obey Trump unless he gets elected.
I think the chaos will be happening at State capitols this time. National Guard (generally, with some exceptions) report to each state’s Governor. Many Republican Governors will be all to happy to start shit up and look the other way just as Trump did on 1/6.
Fun fact, if you don’t deploy your national guard then the President can do it for you, or even deploy national forces. This is what Trump was threatening to do with CHAZ in Seattle.
The one thing I am fairly certain about though is that, assuming riots like that are happening in D.C., Biden will not hesitate to send out forces to stop it. Trump could have but didn’t want to.
There might be a few more Ashley Babbits this time.
My dad tried to talk about how “they just killed her” a while back…
I was like: they gave her a lawful order. She was literally breaking into one of the most secure facilities in the world. She saw the trained men with the loaded firearms pointed at her and proceeded to move through a broken down door…
And then don’t forget that oath… From all threats foreign and domestic… she was a domestic threat. And the agent removed that threat.
Shut him right up.
These idiots want to fafo? I hope dark Brandon is waiting for them.
It’s not just a lawful order though. Let me handcuff you is also a lawful order. They warned her, and everyone else at that door, that it was off limits and they would shoot.
And she had military training and knew exactly what orders that guy had, so she knew it was going to happen, she was just betting that they wouldn’t dare or that their group of insurrectionists would overpower them. But she failed on every count and paid with her life.
ah gotta love the old “just try breaking into my house and i’ll introduce you to my shotguns!!!” crowd lamenting over the cold blooded “murder” of someone breaking into not-her-property
and yea. if these maga chucklefucks think DC is going to be the same soft cushy environment it was in 2021, then they’re even dumber than i thought. which is pretty fucking dumb. in addition to the dozens of snipers (that are visible), i’d be surprised if there’s a square inch of space in the whole motherfucker that isn’t covered by at least 4 cameras.
ah gotta love the old “just try breaking into my house and i’ll introduce you to my shotguns!!!” crowd lamenting over the cold blooded “murder” of someone breaking into not-her-property
Well said! It’s almost as if they lack in ye olde critical thinking and self reflection departments.
My dad is in his 70’s and doesn’t believe the gravy seals will try anything again. He thinks they learned their lesson the first time. I wish i was that confident/delusional.
You and me both, Joe.
Trump said he doesn’t need the votes which is far scarier. They need to fear the consequences of trying to steal democracy from us.
This is the entire quote:
“No, we’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars if I get elected. Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s going to be the least of it, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the country, that’ll be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars, they’re building massive factories.”
The context is talking about Chinese cars, but the bit where he says “it’s going to be a bloodbath for the country, that’ll be the least of it.” really looks to me like he’s saying there will be a bloodbath in general if he doesn’t get elected, the one in the car industry being small compared to it.
I don’t know why I’m spending time and energy examining the idiotic ramblings of the orange gibbon.
That’s the problem isn’t it? He’s not mentally there enough to realize a presidential candidate can’t talk about a bloodbath without it being taken that way. I learned that you have to think about how your message is received in grade school. And that was just to avoid detention.
I understand he is talking about cars… but that’s not how anyone has taken it…
As a left centrist in a deep deep red state. I’ve got yet another firearm on order currently.
My politics boil down to
I want my state sponsored medically insured gay married neighbors and their adopted freely educated children to be able to protect their legally grown pot plants with fully automatic ak47s.
Lol
Hilariously those beliefs are sins in the face of my neighbor’s… Which blows my mind.
Conservativism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: there is a group that the law should protect but not bind, and a group that the law should bind but not protect.
And the thing is, while there are some people who just go along with this for the benefit of their own grift, the vast majority of these people actually believe that an order like this is absolutely necessary, and if we don’t have it civilization itself will collapse. In their view there must be a strict hierarchy and everyone must ‘know their place’ in it, or we are all doomed.
Because of this, they spend their time primarily in two pursuits:
- Trying to force everyone to live this way, because it is the One Right Way To Live
- Proving to themselves and others that they deserve to be in the In Group and at a certain level in that hierarchy, usually by trying to assign people to the Out Group and then put them in a lower position.
You’re just someone they’re trying to stuff in the Out Group, is all.
It’s also why they don’t like the idea of minorities in power; one, in their eyes minorities belong in the lower tiers of the Out Group and therefore their presence will destroy the fabric of society, and two, they think that if minorities are let into the In Group, then they will be forced into the Out Group.
The context is great! Its exactly like his other interjections - usually uncorrelated and exactly what’s really go in his mind
His bigot blurts are about the only truth he speaks
Hey, leave the orange gibbons alone – they’re considerably smarter than the orange wannabe Hitler.
It’s better in fact because there won’t be much of a transition. All you’re doing is giving the vice president your presidency dumbass. These old people, bro.
If the domestic terrorists attack again just put them in the ground this time. Easy peasy.
I see a lot of handwringing about this, like "Oh, even if Harris wins they’ll just attempt a coup again!"and it’s like OK, and? Your solution to them stealing an election is to let them win it legitimately instead?
Yeah, voting isn’t a magic pill that solves everything. You still gotta wake up the next day and do the work.
"Oh, even if Harris wins they’ll just attempt a coup again!"and it’s like OK, and? Your solution to them stealing an election is to let them win it legitimately instead?
My solution would have been to lock them up for trying to steal the last one.
Well - why would he be? Trump didn’t accept it last time, and this is well and truly the end of the road for him if he doesn’t win. He’s 77 as it is, but zero point zero zero zero zero percent chance he gets this close again.
And the cost of not winning is monumental. It’s victory or destruction for the vulgar talking yam. If he’s no longer of any use to Russia, imagine what information might come out about him, especially if they themselves descend into instability.
Trump never accepts any defeat, ever. It’s always a disgrace, the worst, most nasty this and that that’s so unfair to him. Of course he’s not going to accept a defeat. What the adults do about it is the important variable.
Given his legal trouble, he very truly could either be president or imprisoned. he probably has less money than he wants us to believe, fleeing to Russia or Venezuela etc isn’t really an option. His money will just be seized by the state and he will be disposed of as an impotent, toothless old hippo, only capable of making noise, with no more use to offer anyone.
If he’s no longer of any use to Russia, imagine what information might come out about him,
Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself.
Yeah it’s pretty obvious to everyone that it’s all or bust for trump. He’s desperate. Nothing to lose.
They’re already strategising how to steal the election. They’re already on record saying they know exactly who to call when it’s time to validate the results from each state.
What’s there to transition if he loses?
